The McCartney-Mills Legacy

[LeahDear]

It's a very sad world we live in when Sir Paul McCartney and his wife are facing divorce and all anyone seems to want to do is make jokes about her false leg. Personally, I think it's prosthetic.

News reports have confirmed that Paul McCartney has separated from his wife Heather Mills-McCartney. Mrs Mills-McCartney is said to be distraught over the split. "He has been my crutch for so long"! She said in an earlier briefing, "I have no idea why this has happened, I'm really stumped"

"She's running around in circles", according to a close friend, "she needs all the support she can get. It's not like its easy to walk out on a relationship like this"

After his break up with Heather, Paul was asked if he would ever consider going down on one knee again. Paul said he would prefer it if we called her Heather.

It is not known whether a pre-nuptial agreement was signed prior to the marriage. Paul McCartney is one of the richest men in the world, and if an agreement has been signed it is believed that she won't have a leg to stand on.

Rumours abound over the split which have suggested that infidelity may have been the cause. "She's terrible" a source stated, "always trying to get her leg over"

Another source has suggested that her battle with alcoholism was the cause. "Macca couldn't handle it anymore" a friend said, "he would get home at night and find her legless"

Many have attributed this to a problem which started with the present that Paul bought her prior to the wedding. He gave her a new prosthetic leg for Christmas but that was just a stocking-filler.


Finally a poem by Sir Paul McCartney:

I lay upon a grassy bank

My hands were all a quiver

I slowly removed her suspender belt and her leg fell in the river


These jokes are funny but lets spare a thought for Paul please. Now she has left him, he's going to struggle to find another woman who can fill her shoe.

[12"razormix]

:confused:

[AllegroNg]

You are going to a firey hell ;) :p

[LeahDear]

Yes I know I am.... but at least I'll be laughing on the way! :)

[Avalon]

Ask Dinz about Heather..she always wins at Twister. :p

[LeahDear]

:D

[12"razormix]

i didn't know having a prosthetic leg was that much fun

[LeahDear]

I heard her middle name was Eileen.... :rolleyes:

[dinzdale]

Taking McCvntney's money is funny as hell.

[LeahDear]

and since they split she's been working at ihop

[LeahDear]

A miner in Africa has an accident and loses a leg. He says to his mate "I'm ****ed, who will want a one legged gold digger?" His mate says "try Paul McCartney"

[Avalon]

omg LOL One legged gold digger....
That has been my nick name for her since she married him. :D

[dinzdale]

Hope she gets the fvcking lot. :mad:

[Avalon]

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7881/bluelipsvc7.jpg

I know you do :)

[Frieda]

please don't make fun of the disabled, we're having enough trouble already!

thanks :)

[LeahDear]

ok.. sorry :o

[topcat]

ok we will leave paul alone

[LeahDear]

^^^ AHAHAHAHA.... very good! :D

[ambo]

Thanks Leah - you gave me a good laugh.
Today, I'm glad this is an UNMODERATED forum.

[Frieda]

as far as moderation is concerned, this is almost over the line.

as soon as the objects of your imagination can't defend themselves, all the nastiness gets deleted. a good example from the past is when fun was made of people with down's syndrome.

[ambo]

I see a lot of people being made fun of here, both on the board and off the board. A quick search will reveal plenty of ridicule aimed at politicians, celebrities, etc, none of whom can defend themselves here.

IMO, the line to which you refer needed to be drawn long ago. Now, as has been pointed out to me, this has been established as an "unmoderated forum".

[Frieda]

this forum is generally unmoderated. however, there are exceptions, like the example i mentioned earlier. porn images or videos also get deleted.


i do hope the difference between politicians and people with down's syndrome is clear. not just in the political way (hopefully), but also considering their ability to choose their own behavior. a politician is a politician by choice, a down's syndrome child obviously isn't.

[ambo]

It's not really fair to expect that everyone understands your distinctions, Frieda.
If there are rules, why not post them for everyone to see?

[Coffee]

I totaly agree with you in spirit Frieda...thanks for being such a wonderful soul.


But omg I Did Laugh my ass off reading some of that.:o :o :o

[Frieda]

these aren't my distinctions, they're ze's. i won't change his written guidelines unless he approves, and ze doesn't usually respond to any of the PMs or emails i send him. so unless he does, zennie & myself are on our own!

if you really want to see things changed, try talking to ze, maybe you have better luck! :)




edited to add: and of course i laughed too, even though i'm disabled myself.

[Avalon]

With all due respect, might I point out that H. Mills McC did not start out handicapped, but got that way via a motorcycle accident( of questionable cause) And she was a porn star of sorts. While I do not endorse making fun of helpless individuals or groups..she has made herself a media circus freak, we didn't. She has chosen the path to "stardom" using her "leg" and a fortunate marriage to her advantage at every turn. She didn't lose it in Iraq, she lost it drunk on the back of a motorcycle. I don't feel we were making fun a of group, just her...and she thrives on the attention.

[ambo]

I'm sorry, I'm confused.
Perhaps this is the wrong thread to discuss this, but threads seem to take their own twisty paths here most of the time.

Here are Ze's written guidelines for Fast Chat. I don't see what we are discussing referred to anywhere:

if you want to post offensive material don't use the IMG tag - post a link instead. let folks know that the link is to potentially offensive material.

don't threaten physical harm unless in jest (i.e. not in an argument)

say whatever you like, but realize that a broad age range visits this board and i will delete posts that i consider over the line.

yep - its a bit vague

also:

new users will have to post a min amount before they can change their avatars...they shall look like me or a goose till they do so. word.

and:

please know that i do not have a quick and easy way of deleting your account...many threads rely on continuity...especially in the fiction project...if you decide to leave i can change all of your contact and login information...but the posts will remain.

[ambo]

And I have tried emailing Ze about guidelines.
He does not respond.

Please do not misunderstand my objections here. I would LOVE to see this forum be A LOT less nasty. It's just moderating some nastiness and not all the rest seems like a very tricky business to me.

[Audreyvgs]

Nothin like a bucket of cold water on one of the best thread starts i ever saw! Leah rocks.

[LeahDear]

OK, OK guys.... it's not worth a big argument.

I'd like to point out that while I do like to have a laugh at these kind of jokes, I'm not AT ALL racist, sexist or homophobic and nor do I really mean it if I take the piss a bit...I would NEVER say anything like this to a disabled person and would step in if I heard someone else doing so! However... while I know that this thread was very un-pc, obnoxious and rude.... it still was damn funny!!

I wish I could take credit for it... but alas, I could never have thought of anything that genius! It was sent to me this morning by a mate with the same sick sense of humour as myself! :)

[auntie aubrey]

frankly, it seems to me that the line has been drawn wherever the moderator herself has found some personal insult. that seems neither equitable nor fair.

that's just my 2 cents.

[12"razormix]

when i was 6, my 7-year old friend lost his right leg. yes it's true, he did not start out handicapped and he did NOT lose his leg in iraq. he got that way via a car accident (of questionable cause). i can tell you with absolute certainty that he did not thrive on the attention he got as a result of it.

sometimes you people scare the shit out of me.

[LeahDear]

So does that mean you've never, even once, laughed at say... Michael Jackson jokes, gay jokes, racist jokes or any other kind of tasteless joke? Because that's all it was.. a joke.

[Audreyvgs]

Leah, you rock.

[LeahDear]

Audrey

Thank you so much :D
You rock too... I never thought it would cause such an uproar!
Personally I thought it was fvckin HILARIOUS!!!

[Avalon]

when i was 6, my 7-year old friend lost his right leg. yes it's true, he did not start out handicapped and he did NOT lose his leg in iraq. he got that way via a car accident (of questionable cause). i can tell you with absolute certainty that he did not thrive on the attention he got as a result of it.

sometimes you people scare the shit out of me.

Yes, and I, with my awesome ESP, divined this information and posted solely to offend you. :rolleyes:

[Coffee]

he did not thrive on the attention he got

I bet most don't...but that doesn't mean all don't.

[zero]

..ze doesn't usually respond to any of the PMs or emails i send him.

And I have tried emailing Ze about guidelines.
He does not respond.

if ze looks at this place at all these days (which i doubt), i'm sure he must shake his head in despair seeing dumbness and idiocy abound, and one skirmish after another develop usually centred around the same quarrelsome few. take a long hard look, he's now got a brand-new, full blown and lively (500 or more posts a day) forum complete with "fiction project", "image association" and all here (http://www.zefrank.com/theforum/forumdisplay.php?f=7). ask yourself why does he need us - around a dozen or so stalwarts and about ten spammers a day? one day he'll maybe just pull the plug and put us out of our misery.

[ambo]

when i was 6, my 7-year old friend lost his right leg. yes it's true, he did not start out handicapped and he did NOT lose his leg in iraq. he got that way via a car accident (of questionable cause). i can tell you with absolute certainty that he did not thrive on the attention he got as a result of it.

sometimes you people scare the shit out of me.

I think you totally missed the point. It was Heather that was being accused of being an attention whore. I don't think anyone was saying that anyone that loses a leg is the same as Heather.

[Audreyvgs]

I'd take care of the guilt of Ze's exasperation by starting my own message board. Insurance.

Like 2 yrs ago. Whats different now here? Nothing.

[dinzdale]

ANYTHING where McCartney get's it in the shorts is pretty fvcking funny.

[ambo]

if ze looks at this place at all these days (which i doubt), i'm sure he must shake his head in despair seeing dumbness and idiocy abound, and one skirmish after another develop usually centred around the same quarrelsome few. take a long hard look, he's now got a brand-new, full blown and lively (500 or more posts a day) forum complete with "fiction project", "image association" and all here (http://www.zefrank.com/theforum/forumdisplay.php?f=7). ask yourself why does he need us - around a dozen or so stalwarts and about ten spammers a day? one day he'll maybe just pull the plug and put us out of our misery.
Good idea, zero. Sorry you are so miserable.

[auntie aubrey]

the law of the jungle on the internets is always the same: migrate migrate migrate. from what i've seen of this community, if the plug was pulled you fine folks would reassemble yourselves elsewhere.

even if no one can agree whether heather mills jokes are funny... ;)

[lapietra]

I've heard it said that anything truly funny risks truly offending someone...
Ordinarily, I'd find jokes about disabled people tasteless too... but Heather Mills is anything but the helpless victim.

[dinzdale]

She deserves our sympathy for actually having slept with the cvnt.

[lapietra]

She deserves our sympathy for actually having slept with the cvnt.

Okay - so what do you know about Sir Paul? Do Brits actually dislike the guy for some material reason? Is it just that he's still out there performing when most guys have said, "Okay, I can sit back and enjoy myself now..."..? You dislike his music?

(not trying to be confrontational - truly curious...)

[Avalon]

Having opened this particular can of worms elsewhere, I'm gonna just sit over here......:p

[lapietra]

Wherewhere? I'm completely ignorant about this (this should surprise no one, as I'm completely ignorant about a lot of things... :rolleyes: )

[zero]

if ze looks at this place at all these days (which i doubt), i'm sure he must shake his head in despair seeing dumbness and idiocy abound, and one skirmish after another develop usually centred around the same quarrelsome few. take a long hard look, he's now got a brand-new, full blown and lively (500 or more posts a day) forum complete with "fiction project", "image association" and all here (http://www.zefrank.com/theforum/forumdisplay.php?f=7). ask yourself why does he need us - around a dozen or so stalwarts and about ten spammers a day? one day he'll maybe just pull the plug and put us out of our misery.

Good idea, zero. Sorry you are so miserable.

what is a good idea?

[Avalon]

It wasn't on the board. I'll let Dinz explain; he has his reasons.

[lapietra]

okey-doke. :)

[dinzdale]

Denny Laine.

McPhunt fired him as lead guitarist from Wings for being drunk. He wasnt. He barely drank. Turns out he had MS.
I knew his sister well, and met Denny a bunch of times. Sister didnt need McDick's sympathy, but maybe making Denny's last few years a bit more comfortable wouldnt have gone amiss.

Yes, it's personal.

I hope she gets the friggin lot. :mad:

[LeahDear]

WOW... who would have thought that this would make people so hopping mad... :rolleyes:

[lapietra]

Thanks, Dinz.

[Coffee]

if ze looks at this place at all these days (which i doubt (addendum by me...I doubt he does either...looks like he found a style he is more comfy with), i'm sure he must shake his head in despair seeing dumbness and idiocy abound, and one skirmish after another develop usually centred around the same quarrelsome few. take a long hard look, he's now got a brand-new, full blown and lively (500 or more posts a day [...cuz just ask MoN...lotza posts = lotza Non-dumbassedness])
forum complete with "fiction project", "image association" and all here (http://www.zefrank.com/theforum/forumdisplay.php?f=7). ask yourself why does he need us - around a dozen or so stalwarts and about ten spammers a day? one day he'll maybe just pull the plug and put us out of our misery.

I find it VERY interesing that Ze actually contributes to the new board, and yet he rarely contributed here.

New board samples:
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Ze is full of shit section:

" Ze says, "I am a full grown man!" Discuss" Thread:

-Well, maybe chronologically, but I figure he's about 12 years old inside.

-"I'm glad dirty space news is back."

-"Me too. Takes a licking..."

-Originally Posted by Doodle Bean
Well, maybe chronologically, but I figure he's about 12 years old inside.
"yeah but thats what i like about him"

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Ze supports breast cancer awareness? Thread (prolly some intelligent stuff in here?):

-Ze, tell me you have no hand in this:

http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAP...d=munchkin_inc

Now you have Barbara Bush involved? But she's married to a Hard Charger!

Though I don't mind Stacy Keibler, John Madden & William Shatner being among the Little Duckie worshippers. And Martin Sheen & Matthew McConnaughey probably have some sweet power moves.
Reply With Quote

-I hope you are just offended by some of the celebs (but really, poor Barbara, condemned to look like a combination of the Church Lady & her husband's Mother), and not the sentiment behind it all.

Because I support the breast cancer thing, though I just give to the Komen Foundation once a year.

I think it would be kinda cool for ze to jump on board, he'd be one of the only cool celebs involved. Though John Madden isn't so bad, and I like Mariska Hargitay. Her Mom was hot.

-Oh, I'm not offended at all by the movement itself, I just found it hilarious that a bunch of celebs were designing their own pink duckies. Especially Shatner & Madden. No worries, I think it'd be pretty ass-backwards for someone to be against it. I guess I didn't make that clear, my bad.

(ME) oops...my bad..maybe not.

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The Show section:

Bling Duckie is a bad idea POLL Thread:

-The bling duckie costs so much more than the other duckies that it shames people into feeling they're not giving enough. it would be much better for Ze to get 5 $50 duckies instead of one fat bling duckie. This should be about microfinance, not corporations buying advertising which is what happened.

-le'me guess?

Ben and Jerry's?
Whole Foods?
Starbucks?

Lot of Green Corporations out there.

ok, so two of these aren't the best examples, but then again you are probably tryping on a computer made by an evil corporation, No Mr. 1st Post?

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those pumpkins aren't gonna carve themselves Thread

-I need some ideas for someone to carve my pumpkin, er, I mean I need a few design ideas for carving a pumpkin
I wonder if a Dremel will work?

-na nader ya just need a knife and a spoon.

-oh and the pumpkin sacrifice.

-don't forget to empty the pumpkin before you start carving.
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Ze's Nerd skills: a discussion Thread: (ME)Ah...a discussion...cool.

Here is how I transcribed Ze's nerd. I did a little mild translation, adding some parenthesis and semi-colons.

Code:

if(zipperIsDown == true){ while(shakeVar < 3){ shakeVar++; executeShakePenis(); } executeZipperUp(); zipperIsDown = false; }


One change I would make right away is that executeZipperUp should return a success boolean. The code here would then look like
Code:

zipperIsDown = executeZipperUp();

That way if, heaven forbid, executeZipperUp threw an error (ouch, and again I say, ouch), we would know that the zipper might still be up. If you find that the zipper location logic gets more complicated (say you want to know if the zipper is in an error state like STUCK_IN_SCROTUM), you might want to use something like a zipperLocation enum that has values like UP, DOWN, BROKEN, and the aforementioned STUCK_IN_SCROTUM.

Hopefully the executeZipperUp function checks to make sure the penis is in the pants first.

(ME) Quite the discussion opener....:rolleyes:
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(ME) OK...how bout the fiction section???:

Haikus:

small elevator
stuck, the president and me
without a nutsack.

strange little ducky
forum posts then waits, replies
sadly, overquotes

Lost to memory
I focus on the future
It involves grape juice.

Fun Bobby is great!
I fear I play by myself
I pity the fool

(ME) Whoa!!
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Limericks over there???:

There once was a man named Ze.
He created The Show one day.
His fetish was outed
I think for you, he shouted
and all of his duckies were gay

Such distractions were not good for his career
But if he lost his job, his wife would throw him out on his ear
divorce he'd declare
though it just wasn't fair
It caused him to leak one small tear.
(Bales would be PISSED :mad: )

I may have a funny notion
may even cause a commotion
its about my dear friend
and how he met an untimely end
By a bottle of lubriderm lotion.

:rolleyes:

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GTA: Guess That Acronym Thread:

-DRAMA

My life is filled with DRAMA. I need a smoke.


-Dirty Rotten Assholes Making Assumptions

Dairy Rat Advanced Milking Association

Dildo Rider Army Men of Alaska


I.A.T.W.S.A.

-I.A.T.W.S.A.:
Innattentive Arthropods Turning While Saying Aaargh


Next challenge: C.O.O.K.I.E.

C.O.O.K.I.E.

-Crunchy Otters Outside Killing Insect Eggs

Next:

S.M.A.R.T.

(ME) I doubt it...


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Personally, I'm done with my good hard look over there...and this is NOT my first time looking over there. Personally, I'll take the "same quarlesome few" and the "dozen or so stalwarts" over here anyday. Perhaps "Over There" is more to your style Zero? I certainly don't understand any of it...thus you probably do...Cya, wouldn't want to be ya.

[ambo]

Coffee, you crack me up!

[Audreyvgs]

I've had it with making fun of people with no nutsacks.

Gee, sounds like Ze's chillin with the chilluns! Fun City!

[Frieda]

well, in the end, we're only an experiment on social group behavior.

anyone of us with (limited) mod rights could pull the plug on this forum, strangest thing is that nobody has tried, just because someone could! still, we stick to the rules that ze gave us even though he's never around anymore.

what do you think, are we kidding ourselves or are we following the right way?

[Coffee]

The "right way" is after all whatever the group concensus is...always has been in every society ever.

I'm still here because I like the general trend of how this board is being used. Even when it is contentious, it remains clever...well maybe not by the standards "over there". :rolleyes:

[Audreyvgs]

Well, we're the original social experiment. There's been much nastier threads.

[Frieda]

oh, definitely, and for a social experiment, i think we're doing quite well!

[topcat]

best thread ever.

[Frieda]

no way. nothing beats the bacon dink thread :D

[ambo]

we stick to the rules that ze gave us even though he's never around anymore.

what do you think, are we kidding ourselves or are we following the right way?
I think I would still like to know where these rules are that Ze supposedly gave us.

[Coffee]

...they are...vague...hence we get to make em up as we bicker along.

[ambo]

they are non-existent
and if we are making them up, they are not ze's, are they?
:confused:

[Coffee]

my brain is hurting, but I'll try to take a stab at it...Ze gave us rules to live b..post by...they are intentionally vague because it is an experiment...or so we think, has that ever been confirmed? Perhaps in his media lectures he figuratively pokes pins in us to show that we wriggle when poked?
Regardless we stick to the vagueness, vis-a-vis when polls to impart rules to prevent poking are created they are routinely voted down in favor of continued vagueness and poking...hence we stick to His rules...vagueness.

[lapietra]

the first rule of zefrank.com/bulletin is - you do not talk about the rules. :rolleyes:

[Hyakujo's Fox]

I initially thought "wow, five pages of leg jokes". :rolleyes:

[ambo]

my brain is hurting, but I'll try to take a stab at it...Ze gave us rules to live b..post by...they are intentionally vague because it is an experiment...or so we think, has that ever been confirmed? Perhaps in his media lectures he figuratively pokes pins in us to show that we wriggle when poked?
Regardless we stick to the vagueness, vis-a-vis when polls to impart rules to prevent poking are created they are routinely voted down in favor of continued vagueness and poking...hence we stick to His rules...vagueness.
Sorry, I don't see that as what is happening here. Twice this week alone, posters have been told not to post in a certain way. That isn't vague. That is pretty specific. I think you hit it squarely on the head when you said we are making the rules up as we go. The fairness of that is what I am questioning. And we can't blame it on Ze because as you have so succinctly described, he left us with no rules.

[topcat]

rule one
topcat is always right
rule two
if you think topcat is wrong please refer to rule number one

[topcat]

rule one
topcat is always right
rule two
if you think topcat is wrong please refer to rule number one

[zenbabe]

This just in, Paul finally got his half of the divorce settlement.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r260/zenfeel/mccartneys-share.jpg

Sorry freeds, this is just a coping mechanizm for me, it always makes me teary eyed when celebrity bitchez get divorced...

[topcat]

It's a very sad world we live in when Sir Paul McCartney and his wife are facing divorce and all anyone seems to want to do is make jokes about her false leg. Personally, I think it's prosthetic.

News reports have confirmed that Paul McCartney has separated from his wife Heather Mills-McCartney. Mrs Mills-McCartney is said to be distraught over the split. "He has been my crutch for so long"! She said in an earlier briefing, "I have no idea why this has happened, I'm really stumped"

"She's running around in circles", according to a close friend, "she needs all the support she can get. It's not like its easy to walk out on a relationship like this"

After his break up with Heather, Paul was asked if he would ever consider going down on one knee again. Paul said he would prefer it if we called her Heather.

It is not known whether a pre-nuptial agreement was signed prior to the marriage. Paul McCartney is one of the richest men in the world, and if an agreement has been signed it is believed that she won't have a leg to stand on.

Rumours abound over the split which have suggested that infidelity may have been the cause. "She's terrible" a source stated, "always trying to get her leg over"

Another source has suggested that her battle with alcoholism was the cause. "Macca couldn't handle it anymore" a friend said, "he would get home at night and find her legless"

Many have attributed this to a problem which started with the present that Paul bought her prior to the wedding. He gave her a new prosthetic leg for Christmas but that was just a stocking-filler.


Finally a poem by Sir Paul McCartney:

I lay upon a grassy bank

My hands were all a quiver

I slowly removed her suspender belt and her leg fell in the river


These jokes are funny but lets spare a thought for Paul please. Now she has left him, he's going to struggle to find another woman who can fill her shoe.
this is funny

[Klynne]

I've heard it said that anything truly funny risks truly offending someone...
Ordinarily, I'd find jokes about disabled people tasteless too... but Heather Mills is anything but the helpless victim.

I agree with you completely.

[ambo]

This just in, Paul finally got his half of the divorce settlement.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r260/zenfeel/mccartneys-share.jpg

Sorry freeds, this is just a coping mechanizm for me, it always makes me teary eyed when celebrity bitchez get divorced...

Pretty good editing job.

[Jack Flanders]

Holy Shit!!! hahaha!!!! You're pullin' my leg, right? or was it left?

[Jack Flanders]

"Wait! I thought he wanted to hold my hand?'"

[l'azizza]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8510/hookdogrp5.png

[zenbabe]

good god how shameful, they are going through a painful divorce and all you can do is make jokes,
i think its prosthetic!

[Jack Flanders]

What a cutie! My neighbor adopted a pound puppy who had lost a hind leg. That dog is so cool and fast!!! They named him Rover.

[Jack Flanders]

good god how shameful, they are going through a painful divorce and all you can do is make jokes,
i think its prosthetic!

Me, too. Did you read the entire thread? Check out Leah's post. :D Even more stuff.

[l'azizza]

The animals never seem to notice that they're "disabled"; I've never seen a missing limb slow down a cat or dog. I've got a deaf kitten now that's the poster child for a good attitude. There's another cat in the house that will hiss at her and be generally hateful. Lilly doesn't give a shit what this other cat thinks and will go about her business playing etc. She's inspiring to watch.
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7017/pugpimphq6.png

[priceyfatprude]

Sorry, I don't see that as what is happening here. Twice this week alone, posters have been told not to post in a certain way. That isn't vague. That is pretty specific.Besides this thread, what other one was there?

Making fun of celebrities is always fun. Check out our threads on Hasselhoff!!!

Making fun of disable ppl = no.

Making fun of celebrities = yes.

[Jack Flanders]

All of my pets 6 cats at various times and my dog have been strays, sort of feral or abandoned. It's challenging especially with the house breaking.

[priceyfatprude]

ask yourself why does he need us - around a dozen or so stalwarts and about ten spammers a day? one day he'll maybe just pull the plug and put us out of our misery.http://stupidius.dyndns.org/lyrick/paranoid_android_2_300px.jpg

[Frieda]

Besides this thread, what other one was there?

Making fun of celebrities is always fun. Check out our threads on Hasselhoff!!!

Making fun of disable ppl = no.

Making fun of celebrities = yes.

here, see how easy it is?
where the rules are, god i don't know. somewhere in the past JT started posting pictures of down's kids. if someone manages to find that thread, ambo has her answer.

my own alarm bells go off when people don't understand that making fun of disabled people, sick people, obese people, black people, white people or anything similar to that is wrong. isn't that just obvious??

[LeahDear]

This just in, Paul finally got his half of the divorce settlement.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r260/zenfeel/mccartneys-share.jpg



Excellent!!

[craig johnston]

my own alarm bells go off when people don't understand that making fun of disabled people, sick people, obese people, black people, white people or anything similar to that is wrong. isn't that just obvious??

exactly.
imagine if you were disabled and you read this thread. would
the fact that it's heather whatnot make any difference? i think
not. if she's deserving of ridicule for her actions, so be it (although
none of us really know the details of the case, and some of us
don't care), but saying that someone's disability is funny implies
that all disability is funny.
and it isn't.

[auntie aubrey]

Check out our threads on Hasselhoff!!!

and the ever funny tom-cruise-is-nuts thread. of course who's to say making fun of scientoloty in the name of lampooning tom cruise isn't an offensive display of religious discrimination?

[LeahDear]

edited to add: and of course i laughed too, even though i'm disabled myself.

Frieda, I'm sorry :o

[12"razormix]

to summarize - it's ok to ridicule the handicap of unlikable celebrities, or to make tasteless jokes at the expense of disabled people and minorities as long as you don't know their names, it's behind their backs and they can't hear it?

[Audreyvgs]

To summarize again: its not ok to ridicule the handicapped, or to make tasteless jokes at the expense of disbled people and minorities, but they can do it themselves, but we're not sposed to laugh. DEE DEE DEE.


dont look if you're squeamish:

http://www.apparelyzed.com/cgi-bin/jokes/guestbook.html


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[zero]

Personally, I'll take the "same quarlesome few" and the "dozen or so stalwarts" over here anyday.

"anyday" suggests that you think that this board is indispensable to ze, who owns it and supplies it to us free-of-charge.

i disagree, and it makes me sad to say this, but i believe it's become somewhat of an embarrassment to him - a vestigial structure that he wishes would just fade away by itself because he hasn't the heart remove it. look again and you'll see that he's got a new and vibrant community well established at his "show" forum. whether you (or i) understand or like the material that's being posted on there matters-not one jot to ze. he's interacting with his public about stuff that interests him, and presumably what he's getting out of that experience is the same as what he originally wanted when he set this place up. so what does he get out of this place now? do tell me if you know.

personally, i'd be really disappointed in ze if he wasn't against this particular thread, were he ever to look at it. "hilarious" someone said. really? hilarious? dearie me. a whole bunch of puns about someone, celebrity or not, who's lost a leg is hilarious? no, what it is is idiocy - not only because of it's subject matter, but also because that someone decided to share it here with us indicates that they saw us as a group of people who'd ROFL at it. and some did. honestly, if the best in thread-ideas (and according to audreyvgs "one of the best thread starts i ever saw!) that we can come up with consists of a crass and grubby junk-email of the type that most people quietly and routinely delete from their inboxes every day, then the writing's well and truly on the wall for this board.

[12"razormix]

but they can do it themselves if it helps to cope with the situation, i'm all for it, if it's done with malice, i'm not.

[LeahDear]

No... But it's ok to make fun of 1 particular (so called) celebrity who, let's face it, has milked her disability for everything she can get. I made jokes about HM-M only... not disabled people as a whole or any other minorities. I regret that I offended Frieda or anyone else here, but there have been plenty of tasteless jokes and comments posted on this board before.. mine certainly wasn't the first!

Maybe I'm wrong and a nasty fvcked up person to boot.. That's for you to decide.

As I asked you on page 3.. have you never, even once, laughed at a tasteless joke?

[12"razormix]

As I asked you on page 3.. have you never, even once, laughed at a tasteless joke?i didn't respond to that because i don't think it matters whether i answer yes or no. the answer depends on your definition of "tasteless". i have listened to the kind of jokes that we are discussing here for many years and cringed inwardly but didn't speak up. quite some time ago, i decided not to do that any longer because it feels really horrible to listen to people laugh at nastiness of this kind. this "it's just a joke" crap does not justify any of this.

i don't even know who heather mills is or what she does and i don't care. this is not a personal attack against you, leah. i don't presume to know you, i just had to say something ( even though i realize that i'm wasting my time ).

[Audreyvgs]

"anyday" suggests that you think that this board is indispensable to ze, who owns it and supplies it to us free-of-charge.

i disagree, and it makes me sad to say this, but i believe it's become somewhat of an embarrassment to him - a vestigial structure that he wishes would just fade away by itself because he hasn't the heart remove it. look again and you'll see that he's got a new and vibrant community well established at his "show" forum. whether you (or i) understand or like the material that's being posted on there matters-not one jot to ze. he's interacting with his public about stuff that interests him, and presumably what he's getting out of that experience is the same as what he originally wanted when he set this place up. so what does he get out of this place now? do tell me if you know.

personally, i'd be really disappointed in ze if he wasn't against this particular thread, were he ever to look at it. "hilarious" someone said. really? hilarious? dearie me. a whole bunch of puns about someone, celebrity or not, who's lost a leg is hilarious? no, what it is is idiocy - not only because of it's subject matter, but also because that someone decided to share it here with us indicates that they saw us as a group of people who'd ROFL at it. and some did. honestly, if the best in thread-ideas (and according to audreyvgs "one of the best thread starts i ever saw!) that we can come up with consists of a crass and grubby junk-email of the type that most people quietly and routinely delete from their inboxes every day, then the writing's well and truly on the wall for this board.

Frieds prefers the Dink thread.
I dont think i've ever, tho, seen her assume for a moment what Z thinks.
or feels, or what his motivations are. I aquiesce to you in the InnerCircle.
We Yanks are a Crass Lot.

Thank GOD some of us have no worries about a place to go when your prophecy of doom comes true. You can always start a new board and post some pictures there.

PS. Have you ever sent any money to Ze or bought him anything? I have. The reason he's over there, I am guessing, is that he would like to make some money at what he does, its God's report card, imho. If you use his forum, and have contributed nothing but links and pics and opinions, then don't cry to me about whether its goanna stay up or not.

[Avalon]

I am sure Zero will find an appropriate image or toilet accoutrement post to follow up with when he returns from the kiddie board.

[zefrank]

i am dissapointed in this thread.

the show is my current project, but it doesn't mean i don't check in here from time to time.

this is where i started.

vestigial? embarrassment?

i don't think so.

[zero]

that's all good to hear

[auntie aubrey]

*mencia video*

that offends me because carlos mencia is antithetical to funny.

[Audreyvgs]

I'm married to a Mexican. He thinks its hysterical.

I had included a disclaimer.

[topcat]

i am dissapointed in this thread.

the show is my current project, but it doesn't mean i don't check in here from time to time.

this is where i started.

vestigial? embarrassment?

i don't think so.
some please post a pic of a little boy getting spanked

[Hyakujo's Fox]

holy deus ex machina batman!

[auntie aubrey]

I'm married to a Mexican. He thinks its hysterical.

i'm married to a tall man. he likes poptarts.



what? i thought we were stringing together random thoughts.

[Audreyvgs]

Is it true about big feet?

[auntie aubrey]

yes, it's true. big feet mean big shoes.

[Avalon]

I love lamp

[Audreyvgs]

Now, theres some random if I ever saw random!

[ambo]

here, see how easy it is?
where the rules are, god i don't know. somewhere in the past JT started posting pictures of down's kids. if someone manages to find that thread, ambo has her answer.

my own alarm bells go off when people don't understand that making fun of disabled people, sick people, obese people, black people, white people or anything similar to that is wrong. isn't that just obvious??

Yeah, I see very clearly Frieda.
You make the rules.
Not Ze.
You.

And you don't have to explain them to anyone, because it's just supposed to be understood.

Just for the record, I was never questioning why you spoke up on this thread. I was making a POINT. You cannot claim that there is true freedom of speech on this forum, and anyone can say what they want, and let the "poop" fall where it lands because this is an unmoderated forum, then turn around and say "well this isn't okay, and you should understand why because I do".

It's hypocrisy.

[ambo]

and the ever funny tom-cruise-is-nuts thread. of course who's to say making fun of scientoloty in the name of lampooning tom cruise isn't an offensive display of religious discrimination?
GOOD POINT!

[ambo]

Besides this thread, what other one was there?

Making fun of celebrities is always fun. Check out our threads on Hasselhoff!!!

Making fun of disable ppl = no.

Making fun of celebrities = yes.

It was this thread:
http://www.zefrank.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=10174

And there were no disabled people involved - but you were.

[LeahDear]

I love lamp

or maybe limp? :eek:

[Avalon]

or maybe limp? :eek:

Leah, are you talking about sketchalarky in this thread?? :p

[sketch56]

Leah, are you talking about Avalon in this thread?? :p she is what she is UGLY Veawdo

[Audreyvgs]

http://www.audreyheffner.net/malarkey.jpg

[lapietra]

man... I've written and erased more posts in this thread...

I for one would love to see a set of rules posted and adhered to. Rules are good. There's the golden rule, you know: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Even if we posted *that* little gem, it might help - although there are some who would just scoff and do as they will, an it harm anyone.

There's this great thing I used to have on a poster - "All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten" by Robert Fulghum:

All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand pile at school.
These are the things I learned:

Share everything.
Play fair.
Don't hit people.
Put things back where you found them.
Clean up your own mess.
Don't take things that aren't yours.
Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
Wash your hands before you eat.
Flush.
Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
Live a balanced life - learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some.
Take a nap every afternoon.
When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together.
Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup - they all die. So do we.
And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned - the biggest word of all - LOOK.Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation. Ecology and politics and equality and sane living.
Take any one of those items and extrapolate it into sophisticated adult terms and apply it to your family life or your work or government or your world and it holds true and clear and firm. Think what a better world it would be if we all - the whole world - had cookies and milk at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon and then lay down with our blankies for a nap. Or if all governments had as a basic policy to always put things back where they found them and to clean up their own mess.
And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together.

Some of this stuff doesn't apply to the board. But a few things do.

We've seen the result of this board's "moderation". Zero hit the nail on the head. We need some structure and boundaries within which to play. Great games are defined by their rules. Simply deleting spam from this board isn't enough.

[Avalon]

she is what she is UGLY Veawdo

see, now that's funny and telling at the same time. You've never seen me and have no idea of what I look like. Protesting that I am not ugly will not do anything but egg you on. And you have enough egg on your face as it is. It is telling because as before, you resorted to name calling and obsenities when it was clear you were out witted and outsmarted. You died once, you'll do so again.

[Coffee]

wrong thread

[rapscalious rob]

Good points, lala. Perhaps this should be discussed in the debate forum?

man... I've written and erased more posts in this thread...

I for one would love to see a set of rules posted and adhered to. Rules are good. There's the golden rule, you know: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Even if we posted *that* little gem, it might help - although there are some who would just scoff and do as they will, an it harm anyone.… [etc]

[Coffee]

I have been in favor of rules too...but...well...just create a poll and see how fast the idea gets voted down. :p :D

[sketch56]

see, now that's funny and telling at the same time. You've never seen me and have no idea of what I look like. Protesting that I am not ugly will not do anything but egg you on. And you have enough egg on your face as it is. It is telling because as before, you resorted to name calling and obsenities when it was clear you were out witted and outsmarted. You died once, you'll do so again. Learn at http://www.lionardofromvinci.com/gallery2.com great story http://www.lionardofromvinci.com/gallery2.com

[lapietra]

Good points, lala. Perhaps this should be discussed in the debate forum?

What's the point, darlin'? Nobody really cares.

I think I'm done. This place makes me too sad, lately.

[sketch56]

see, now that's funny and telling at the same time. You've never seen me and have no idea of what I look like. Protesting that I am not ugly will not do anything but egg you on. And you have enough egg on your face as it is. It is telling because as before, you resorted to name calling and obsenities when it was clear you were out witted and outsmarted. You died once, you'll do so again. Learn at http://www.lionardofromvinci.html/gallery2.com great story http://www.lionardofromvinci.html/gallery2.com

[Audreyvgs]

Didnt we all vote for no structure long ago??? Didnt our last bout with Malarkey end up with me being apologetic for any censorship i tried to evoke?> I permanently still feel bad for doing it, but what Blue posted inthe guise of a retarded person made me sick. THis person is doing it again.

Didnt we freakin learn anything?

He will go away, they all do, the idiots and pretenders.



GOD!

and you of all people, who did have some sort of moderator status, couldnt follow your own structures and boundaries long enough with that power to even play fair! this is such hypocrisy.


eta,well, most of the pretenders.

[rapscalious rob]

There doesn't have to be a poll, if there can be an informed debate among those moderators who are also debators. As long as there aren't USA-PATRIOT type rules, I think there would be a general consensus. Is that too optimistic?

[Audreyvgs]

ak.

[auntie aubrey]

i just checked my pockets and found 2 more cents.

it's a message board. sometimes people are going to say things that offend others. what really matters is the INTENT. LeahDear wasn't attacking anyone, she just has a different brand of humor than some. that holds true for anyone pouncing on tom cruise's scientology bender, or david hasselhoff's....... whatever.

so the best rule of thumb may be to just throw up a flag, say "no thanks, i find that offensive" and then move on. without the unnecessary bickering about whether there should be rules and restrictions on types of speech.

now if someone INTENTIONALLY attacks someone else, that's a different kettle of fish.

[rapscalious rob]

I agree; we should be able to keep it chill. :) I was speaking to the more general issue that lapietra brought up, and not this thread in particular. I think LeahDear has been a good egg, etc.

[auntie aubrey]

i was really just looking for an excuse to use the phrase "different kettle of fish."

[Audreyvgs]

what a coincidence! I've been lookin for an excuse all day to use this fish!


http://www.kidcrosswords.com/kidreader/fisherman_and_his_wife/flopping_fish.gif

[Audreyvgs]

You know what the McCartney-Mills Legacy is??????




There's goanna be one hell of a fight!

[ambo]

it's a message board. sometimes people are going to say things that offend others. what really matters is the INTENT. LeahDear wasn't attacking anyone, she just has a different brand of humor than some. that holds true for anyone pouncing on tom cruise's scientology bender, or david hasselhoff's....... whatever.....

...now if someone INTENTIONALLY attacks someone else, that's a different kettle of fish.

This is EXACTLY what I wanted to say when I returned here today. Thanks, auntie. I kept thinking about what pfp and Frieda had posted earlier about it being "understood" that certain kinds of fun poking are not okay and others are. What I realized is that INTENT is what should matter. That's why I'm "disappointed". Leah did not post this to harm anyone, so why not let it be? Whereas when I was pointedly insulted, and asked the poster to stop, and was further repeatedly and INTENTIONALLY insulted, nothing was said by any moderator. That's when alarms go off in my head. Obviously, it's personal to me, which is why I am questioning the "guidelines".

so the best rule of thumb may be to just throw up a flag, say "no thanks, i find that offensive" and then move on. without the unnecessary bickering about whether there should be rules and restrictions on types of speech.
This is great, with one exception. When a flag is thrown by a moderator, it tends to carry more weight. Hence, the bickering.

[auntie aubrey]

i don't disagree. my first 2 cents was a comment about the moderator choosing to speak out when the offensive issue at hand was one she took personally.

what i don't understand is why this issue was ever up for debate with the moderator, when this sketch person has hounded avalon in multiple threads. with pointedly insulting commentary and direct intentional insult. where is the moderator when something like that is occurring?

why is it valid to get upset about heather mills jokes, but the actual intentional belligerent harrassment by one member against another doesn't even raise an eyebrow?

[topcat]

What's the point, darlin'? Nobody really cares.

I think I'm done. This place makes me too sad, lately.



you crack me up.

[Coffee]

...when this sketch person has hounded avalon in multiple threads.......why is it valid to get upset about heather mills jokes, but the actual intentional belligerent harrassment by one member against another doesn't even raise an eyebrow?

Sketch is not a "member", sketch is a troll. Pointing out that a troll is harrasing someone is kind of redundant.

The golden rule: Don't feed trolls...and eventually they go away.

I think Avvy is actually having fun baiting the troll...so I'd not call the troll's interactions with her harrasing. Avalon is encouraging the troll to remain by interacting with it...now..calling me a girly man...omg...that really hurt.:rolleyes:

[Avalon]

I wasn't baiting him and I wouldn't call him fun; fun takes intelligence and he is lacking in that dept.. But, it will soon be over.

Sorry about your thread Leah..it really was funny :)

[priceyfatprude]

It was this thread:
http://www.zefrank.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=10174

And there were no disabled people involved - but you were.Are you saying I'm disabled? Or less than disabled? I am having a bit of a blond moment w/this & I haven't been a blond in 5 years. :(

Aw, come on. Hazing newbies is an integral part of message boards everywhere. If you can't handle hazing, how could you handle a thread like this? Or the outing of the Darkroom? Or the "OMG I AM LEAVING THIS FORUM FOREVER YOU GUYS CAN EAT A BAG OF DICKS" threads that appear twice a year, like clockwork?

Anyone whoring something out with their first post can expect to be hazed. Now is that my own personal rule? Or do I feel it's an unwritten board rule b/c no one's ever called me out on it before? I'm not sure, but you've given me something to think about.

[ambo]

Are you saying I'm disabled? Or less than disabled? I am having a bit of a blond moment w/this & I haven't been a blond in 5 years. :(

Aw, come on. Hazing newbies is an integral part of message boards everywhere. If you can't handle hazing, how could you handle a thread like this? Or the outing of the Darkroom? Or the "OMG I AM LEAVING THIS FORUM FOREVER YOU GUYS CAN EAT A BAG OF DICKS" threads that appear twice a year, like clockwork?

Anyone whoring something out with their first post can expect to be hazed. Now is that my own personal rule? Or do I feel it's an unwritten board rule b/c no one's ever called me out on it before? I'm not sure, but you've given me something to think about.

Haha - man I am not making myself very clear today, am I?

I was saying that nobody was poking fun at disabled on that thread, but that Frieda had a problem with it nonetheless. You were one of the posters on that thread. I'm not sure WHO was being chastised. This is just an example of the double standard I see present where moderating is concerned. Clear now?

BTW, I agree with you about the whoring, and it is getting rather frequent and annoying. And I didn't think anyone was being too rude on that thread.

[Jack Flanders]

I am having a bit of a blond moment w/this & I haven't been a blond in 5 years. :(

Aw, come on.

Why not? Blonds rock!

[Frieda]

Haha - man I am not making myself very clear today, am I?

I was saying that nobody was poking fun at disabled on that thread, but that Frieda had a problem with it nonetheless. You were one of the posters on that thread. I'm not sure WHO was being chastised. This is just an example of the double standard I see present where moderating is concerned. Clear now?

BTW, I agree with you about the whoring, and it is getting rather frequent and annoying. And I didn't think anyone was being too rude on that thread.


you and aunty aubry make comments on ME being offended and therefore using my mod rights to get things changed.

i don't. i make comments as a user. i kindly asked not to make fun of the disabled. i said "there's no need to be crude" out of personal worries about hatred on this board.

i'm not a friggin mod, i'm a human being. i have opinions. if those weigh more because i'm a spam remover and therefore have mod rights, then i'm going to think again about being a spam remover.

[LeahDear]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS]
Sorry about your thread Leah..it really was funny :)

Absolutely nothing to apologise for! :) It's still an interesting thread.. I've been reading it all with interest and totally understand everyone's point of view..

[LeahDear]

i didn't respond to that because i don't think it matters whether i answer yes or no. the answer depends on your definition of "tasteless". i have listened to the kind of jokes that we are discussing here for many years and cringed inwardly but didn't speak up. quite some time ago, i decided not to do that any longer because it feels really horrible to listen to people laugh at nastiness of this kind. this "it's just a joke" crap does not justify any of this.

i don't even know who heather mills is or what she does and i don't care. this is not a personal attack against you, leah. i don't presume to know you, i just had to say something ( even though i realize that i'm wasting my time ).



Actually I think it DOES matter.. if people are gonna get freaked out about un-pc jokes then I feel that ALL jokes of tasteless nature should be banned so as not to upset anyone's sensibilities.. where would we be then? A very boring forum indeed... A nanny state where nobody wants to say anything for fear of upsetting someone! I'd go for freedom of speech and run the risk of being offended any day thank you!

You say the answer depends on my definition of tasteless.. well yes.. you're right... but everyone's definition of tasteless differs vastly, as has been proven here, so where is the line drawn? IMO my post wasn't really that bad... what I found funny was the play on words, not the fact that it was about a disabled person. As auntie said before.. what really matters is the INTENT.

I know that this isn't an attack against me :) and I'm not taking any of it personally... BUT... what has pissed me off a bit is how people can just pick and choose what to go up in arms against! If un-pc/tasteless jokes upset people then ALL jokes that sail, even slightly, too close to the wind should not be allowed either!

[ambo]

you and aunty aubry make comments on ME being offended and therefore using my mod rights to get things changed.

i don't. i make comments as a user. i kindly asked not to make fun of the disabled. i said "there's no need to be crude" out of personal worries about hatred on this board.

i'm not a friggin mod, i'm a human being. i have opinions. if those weigh more because i'm a spam remover and therefore have mod rights, then i'm going to think again about being a spam remover.

Excuse me. I guess I misunderstood your role here. I thought you were a moderator. I stand corrected. I wonder how I got that idea, and how many others may have gotten the same idea? Maybe from an old thread?

[trisherina]

Frieda is an extremely non-intrusive moderator, when she is behaving as a moderator. That doesn't mean she doesn't have, or can't have opinions as a user.

[ambo]

How does one tell the difference between comments that are mere opinions, and those that are meant to non-intrusively moderate?

[topcat]

to all my friends on ze

Today is International Disadvantaged People's Day.

Please send an encouraging message to a retarded friend, just as I've done.

I don't care if you lick windows, mate with farm animals, vote liberal or occasionally shit yourself.......

You hang in there sunshine, cause you're freaking special.

[trisherina]

When Frieda deletes or alters posts that disagree with her, since that's the power she has that non-moderators don't, I'd call that more than expressing an opinion. (don't hold your breath though)

[ambo]

That I get, Trish. I had assumed however, that her comments were also a means of "moderation". Often, message board moderators will "warn" prior to modification/deletion of posts. It is a bit confusing to discern the intent of someone's comments when they have the power given a moderator.

[sketch56]

you and aunty aubry make comments on ME being offended and therefore using my mod rights to get things changed.

i don't. i make comments as a user. i kindly asked not to make fun of the disabled. i said "there's no need to be crude" out of personal worries about hatred on this board.

i'm not a friggin mod, i'm a human being. i have opinions. if those weigh more because i'm a spam remover and therefore have mod rights, then i'm going to think again about being a spam remover. Good for you , people need not be crude to people who are Disabled. :)

[sketch56]

:) i don't disagree. my first 2 cents was a comment about the moderator choosing to speak out when the offensive issue at hand was one she took personally.

what i don't understand is why this issue was ever up for debate with the moderator, when this sketch person has hounded avalon in multiple threads. with pointedly insulting commentary and direct intentional insult. where is the moderator when something like that is occurring?

why is it valid to get upset about heather mills jokes, but the actual intentional belligerent harrassment by one member against another doesn't even raise an eyebrow? I must say I am very sorry to anyone I was Crude to , I was not doing the right thing bye acting this way, so if I have said something to someone that they did not like, sorry! :) Peace!

[Frieda]

That I get, Trish. I had assumed however, that her comments were also a means of "moderation". Often, message board moderators will "warn" prior to modification/deletion of posts. It is a bit confusing to discern the intent of someone's comments when they have the power given a moderator.

when i do, it will be clear to all. i add a line that says MODERATED with a proper reason in it. the actual change can be found in the edit line.

now you know. ambo, if you want this in the forum guidelines, talk to ze because i'm not going to edit those. i've told you that already.

anything else i type comes from a human being. i have feelings and sometimes i choose to express them right here on this internet bulletin board! opinions happen to me too, on a daily basis, and sometimes i write those down too.

[topcat]

i think frieda does a good job of keeping the board clean of spam. this thread that leahdear started was never about making fun of diabled people.how it got this far off is beyond me.but the nice thing about messages boards is that no one is forcing you to read anything and nobody is forcing you to post anything. i only read threads that i think i might enjoy. no set of rules are going to make people nice to each other. either you like and respect people by their posts or you dont.i know a few people have changed my opinions about them. good and bad.as for leahdear. will you marry me?:) one last thing frieda expressed her opinion. this thread was never about her.

[LeahDear]

[QUOTE=topcat]as for leahdear. will you marry me?:)[QUOTE]


*swoon* TC... I thought you'd never ask

[ambo]

when i do, it will be clear to all. i add a line that says MODERATED with a proper reason in it. the actual change can be found in the edit line.

now you know. ambo, if you want this in the forum guidelines, talk to ze because i'm not going to edit those. i've told you that already.

anything else i type comes from a human being. i have feelings and sometimes i choose to express them right here on this internet bulletin board! opinions happen to me too, on a daily basis, and sometimes i write those down too.
Thanks for clearing this up, Frieda. I will from now on assume that whenever you "ask" for people to stop doing something, or to behave, that you are not acting as a moderator, just stating an opinion that has no more weight than any other opinion on this board.

As far as the forum guidelines, I am capable of reading what you have already said, and I don't appreciate your tone - I am not a child. All I did was ask for you to explain why you objected to this thread, and not previous threads/posts. I never brought up the guidelines - you did when you replied "these aren't my distinctions, they're ze's". Now, apparently, they were just your feelings and opinions. I guess everyone's entitled to change their mind.

[Brynn]

http://home.comcast.net/~ambographics/popcorn.gif

[Frieda]

Thanks for clearing this up, Frieda. I will from now on assume that whenever you "ask" for people to stop doing something, or to behave, that you are not acting as a moderator, just stating an opinion that has no more weight than any other opinion on this board.

As far as the forum guidelines, I am capable of reading what you have already said, and I don't appreciate your tone - I am not a child. All I did was ask for you to explain why you objected to this thread, and not previous threads/posts. I never brought up the guidelines - you did when you replied "these aren't my distinctions, they're ze's". Now, apparently, they were just your feelings and opinions. I guess everyone's entitled to change their mind.
i'm sorry i offended you with my tone, i did not intend to speak to you as i would to a child, and i didn't.

you know i haven't changed my mind. i'm not interested in a discussion of what i literally said and what i say now and how hypocritical that possibly could make me. you know i'm not fully capable of speaking, writing and understanding the english language, as it is not my mother language. i make mistakes in my language. i also think that you fully understand what i meant by everything i said. that's all i have to say on this subject. as far as i'm concerned, this thread was never a problem and i've also made myself clear on that.

that's all folks!

[auntie aubrey]

Today is International Disadvantaged People's Day.

I don't care if you ...vote liberal

HEY! :mad:

[ambo]

i'm sorry i offended you with my tone, i did not intend to speak to you as i would to a child, and i didn't.

you know i haven't changed my mind. i'm not interested in a discussion of what i literally said and what i say now and how hypocritical that possibly could make me. you know i'm not fully capable of speaking, writing and understanding the english language, as it is not my mother language. i make mistakes in my language. i also think that you fully understand what i meant by everything i said. that's all i have to say on this subject. as far as i'm concerned, this thread was never a problem and i've also made myself clear on that.

that's all folks!

WOW.

[Audreyvgs]

Ok, now i get it.

People put more weight on what the mod says. If the mod is disappointed in a post, or a thread, the possibility then exists in the mind of all who post, that the posts or thread might be deleted.

BUT, from what i've noticed over time, by the time a post or thread is a problem, its gone, and the only thing i've seen Frieds delete is spam. Maybe there was another situation i dont know about, but mostly, what Frieds does, that i've seen, is delete spam posts. She's been very careful about not interjecting any opinion with deletion, it just is a rule, no spammers. SO


There went the problem. Frieds interjected what her opinion was of that post, and to tell you the truth, had it been me, i'd of just gone elsewhere. I remember the pic of the retarded person, and I didnt post on that thread, i dont think.

The crudeness or harshness of any joke is truly in the eyes of the beholder, and I can 100% guarantee you that Frieda would not find me funny most of the time IRL. Most of my friends find me hysterical. Its a philosophical thing.

My philosophy is that Humor is derived at times from facing what scares us. Facing it and then taking it a step over the edge. Death Jokes, crippled jokes, like that page i posted. They were taking all their fears and pushing them over a cliff. That is one form of humor. Its not for all. Even the why did the chicken cross the road joke is laced with the possibility of death, the risk of going across a road, stupidity and it isnt even funny.

Making fun of a crippled person is making fun of the crippled person inside ourselves, each and every one of us. Our horror at seeing someone tell a tasteless joke, to me, means go someplace else, and look at another thread, and to others, it means say something. I've had to say something at times when i heard racial epithets, i think thats the only line I draw as far as humor is concerned, but what do you do when you hear a black person use the n word? You don't say anything. Its a fine line.

My point is, that the roots of humor are quite often based in horror, personal tragedy and human frailties. We do it instinctively to protect our fragile minds from actual reality. I know that i percieved Frieda's rebuke of Leah's post to be somewhat authoritative. PLEASE DONT make fun of cripples. It was a command, not a plea. Just because it had a smiley face didnt lessen its barb.

Its a public figure who's chosen to fight her ridiculous battle in public, embarassing herself and MrMcsugardaddy. I can take a pic of her tomarrow and not get sued for publishing it... i have the right to talk about her. She has porn pics on the internet. This is not NOT a sympathetic figure.

I think that in Frieda's comment, she personalized what was not about her, but she decided at that moment to own it, then she did. I'm just commenting on what i saw occur, and thats that. I make no value judgement on Frieda, but damn, i still think the initial concept was a hoot.

[rapscalious rob]

Nice post, Audrey :)

For posterity's sake, I just want to clarify my position, too-

When I posted earlier in agreement with lapietra about the need for more rules, it really didn't have anything to do with this thread, at least for me. I found the initial post funny, and grokked what Frieda was talking about. I just thought some rules might help out a little. For example, maybe a loose code of conduct, not necessarily in the sticky, to try not to take things personally if they aren't specifically directed at you would've helped out here; I don't know. I just want to see less fighting and more playfulness around here, that's all.

Speaking of fighting, it seems abundantly clear to me that "sketch56" is a troll. In fact, it was easy to tell just from sketch54's first few posts. The best thing to do with a troll is to ignore it, and that is my advice to y'all.

Peace ;)

[LeahDear]

I just want to see less fighting and more playfulness around here, that's all.

Exactly... well said!

[Audreyvgs]

Thank you, Rapscallious One.

Yes, the only way on the planet to disengage a troll, is to not engage him.
Put him on ignore. He will eventually go away.

[craig johnston]

i love frieda!
:)

and, if we want to attack celebrities, what about madonna?!
:eek:

[Audreyvgs]

Yep, i think Frieds is both intelligent and kind hearted. Frieds, your english is impeccable. I am ashamed for American schools, not getting it, that we are global. How closed minded.

[zenbabe]

I prefer to just delete spam. Keeps things nice and tidy. :)

[ambo]

I prefer to just delete spam. Keeps things nice and tidy. :)
Well then, footstud22 must be keeping you quite busy these days.........

[zenbabe]

I know!! What a freaky bot!!!!:mad:

[ambo]

Thought I'd give Dinz a smile this morning:

Divorces are ugly affairs. But they can be downright gruesome when the parties involved are celebrities. Factor in multimillion-dollar estates, fortunes and reputations -- all up for grabs in a divorce -- and it's a wonder why celebrities marry at all.

Take the current uncoupling of former Beatle Paul McCartney with his second wife, former model Heather Mills, after four years of marriage. While Mills wrangles a share of McCartney's estate -- valued by some British tabloids to be as much as $1 billion -- the press makes hay of their nasty contretemps.

In August McCartney locked his estranged wife out of their London home. Recently, Mills made claims that McCartney abused her. (She alleges to have tapes to prove it.) McCartney, who was knighted by Queen Elizabeth in 1997, is one of the wealthiest rock stars in the world, having amassed a multimillion-dollar fortune as a member of the Beatles. Last year alone, McCartney earned $40 million, largely from an ultrasuccessful North American tour. Sir Paul's divorce may prove to be one of the most expensive celebrity divorces in history.

[dinzdale]

:)

[Avalon]

One Billion Dollars!?! http://indy.50megs.com/images/Dr%20Evil.jpg

In August McCartney locked his estranged wife out of their London home. Recently, Mills made claims that McCartney abused her. (She alleges to have tapes to prove it.)
How does that happen?? She must watch a hell of a lot of "Cops" :rolleyes:
What ever she manages to scam, it will buy her a lot of shiny new legs.

[dinzdale]

She's worth it.

[Avalon]

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Maybe Paul McCartney (http://www.eonline.com/celebrities/profile/index.jsp?uuid=bb492766-11e5-4650-bc92-5a0da76b4a6b)'s money can't buy him love, but it can apparently buy his way out of an unhappy marriage.
According to published reports, the former Beatle has successfully brokered a settlement in his bitter divorce battle with Heather Mills, who has reportedly accepted his offer of an estimated $56 million in cash and property as well as joint custody of their three-year-old daughter, Beatrice.
As of Monday, there was no confirmation of the report from the respective camps of either McCartney or Mills.
Word of the purported settlement was first reported by Britain's News of the World—the same outlet that claimed Mills had accepted a $63 million settlement back in January, a report her legal team quickly denied.
Though proceedings in the Mills-McCartney divorce battle have been conducted behind closed doors, leaks from the courtroom have included reports that Mills, 39, was seeking $6.6 million a year—or about $20,000 a day—from her estranged husband, as well as sole custody of Beatrice.
Under the terms of the couple's alleged agreement, Mills will reportedly drop those demands and will in turn receive $48 in cash, plus a Georgian mansion worth $8 million.
Because Mills and McCartney had no prenuptial agreement before they married in 2002, Mills could potentially have walked away from the split with one-quarter of the 64-year-old musician's fortune, valued at about $1.6 billion.
However, Mills, who has been raked over the coals by the British press since the couple announced their separation, has bristled at the suggestion that she entered the marriage with designs on McCartney's money.
"I fell in love for the right reason. I fell in love unconditionally," she said in an interview with Extra in November. "If I was a gold digger, I would have a lot of money in my bank account…I'd be worth millions and millions."
If the $56 million shoe fits…
Though neither Mills nor McCartney had commented on reports of a settlement, Mills took to her official Website Monday to defend herself against a report in London's Daily Mirror that outed her as having once worn a mink coat to a wedding, despite her ardent anti-fur stance.
"She really loved that coat. When I see her anti-fur campaigns now, I always chuckle," Mills' former sister-in-law, Dianna Karmal, told the paper.
In a message on her official Website, Mills said the photo of her in the fur was taken in 1989, before she was "aware of the issues surrounding the fur trade."
"The coat belonged to my mother, who had sadly died just a few days earlier and I wore it because it made me feel close to her," Mills wrote. "I am not ashamed I wore it. At the time I was not a vegetarian and was not an anti-fur campaigner."
Meanwhile, with her debut on Dancing with the Stars just a week away, Mills has expressed confidence that her artificial leg will not fly off during the reality competition's high-stepping routines, telling Extra that such an event was "very unlikely."
Nonetheless, offshore gambling Website bodog.com has started accepting wagers on the possibility of the prosthetic limb coming unattached unexpectedly, with a maximum bet of $50 on the outcome. The site specifying that the limb "must fall off, not be purposely taken off," in order for bets to be honored.
Mills acquired her artificial limb after her left leg was amputated below the knee following a 1993 motorcycle accident.
"I'm hoping to show people that even with a prosthetic leg you can dance," she told Extra last month.

[Brynn]

Okay, if it wasn't in the realm of farce before, this cinches it.

[zenbabe]

Think Heather's Leg Will Fall Off? Bet on It!



If Heather Mills' leg should happen to fall off during this season of "Dancing With the Stars," it will surely be a YouTube classic -- and could also make a few lucky gamblers some cold hard cash.

Yes, you can actually bet on whether or not Heather's prosthetic leg will fly off during a routine on the popular ABC show. If you bet $100 that it does happen, the gambling website Bodog.com will pay out $350. On the other hand, you would need to bet $600 that it doesn't happen to win $100. For all you gambling noobs, that makes "no" the heavy favorite.

The site even goes as far as to state, "Heather Mills' leg must fall off, not be purposely taken off, during a dance routine for all Yes wagers to be graded a Win." Just remember, kids: Gambling is bad!

[Brynn]

I'm willing to make a (gentleman's) bet that it will merely malfunction.
Fall off? Nope, no way.

[trisherina]

The damn thing'll work just fine or it's laundry for a month!

[Jack Flanders]

I really do not care.

[trisherina]

You don't do laundry? :eek:

[Jack Flanders]

Well, yes I do but not as often as Frieda seems to. And it's not one of my favourite words.

[Jack Flanders]

I really do not care.


I really meant I didn't give a flying fig about Heather and how she tries to make $$$$ after she leaves Paul and their daughter for her own celebrity. Break a ... hmm collarbone, Heather!!! :)

[Brynn]

yeah, it might be a Brit thing - doesn't take up a lot of time over here, just in passing. count your blessings. At least it's one less story about a bimbo who couldn't remember who fathered her kid.

[priceyfatprude]

Brynn, are you picking on my Anna Nicole?

her artificial leg will not fly off Sadly, this was the reason I was going to watch.

bodog.com, you say?

[Avalon]

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Heather Mills says there is a "conspiracy" to destroy her.

The former model insists the British media have been trying to ruin her career, personal life and reputation since she split from Sir Paul McCartney.

In an interview with the BBC, Heather - who has a three-year-old daughter Beatrice, with Paul - said: "There is a huge agenda about trying to destroy me and put me down.

"There are huge powers. I don't have that powerful system that Paul has. There are huge powers that create these things for their own reasons. I have
a daughter to protect and I don't want to speak badly about any of the parties involved."

Since the couple announced they were separating in May 2006, reports have surfaced about Heather posing naked for a sex book, allegedly working as a high-class prostitute and wearing fur in 1989, despite the fact she is now an animal rights activist.

Heather, 38, also confessed she will "always love" Paul, 64, despite their bitter divorce battle. She said: "I will never get over him. I will always love Paul. He is the
father of my child but I just have to move on and deal with it and there is nothing I can do. I have never spoken badly about my husband. I never will - he is the father of my child."

Heather also denied reports the couple have reached a divorce settlement said to be worth £29 million.
The blonde - who reportedly wanted £200 million, a quarter of The Beatles legend's total wealth when they first split - added: "You better ask Paul, it's got nothing to do with me. It's all down to him." - Bang Showbiz



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[zenbabe]

Dancing with the stars starts tonight, no?

[Jack Flanders]

yep