are you a racist?

[topcat]

are you a racist? a simple yes or no will do.

[Coffee]

maybe?

[Earthling]

once in awhile http://bestsmileys.com/cars/7.gif

[priceyfatprude]

I am a chocolate racist. I HATE white chocolate. Unless it's on pretzels @ Christmastime.

[auntie aubrey]

white chocolate can GO TO HELL.

[priceyfatprude]

I am not a tea racist. Black, green, white, red, I like them all.

[Large Marge]

No.

[l'azizza]

My animosity isn't that focused. Why do you ask, TC?

[topcat]

[QUOTE=l'azizza;359875]My animosity isn't that focused. Why do you ask, TC?[/QUOte
good question? i really dont see blatant racism on this board. i see some vague racism though.more later.

[topcat]

white chocolate can GO TO HELL.

i am with you there auntie.

[Jack Flanders]

no

[Frieda]

yes, i prefer the looks of indonesian/japanese/chinese men.

other than that, i couldn't care less about race. this race thing is pretty outdated here.

[brightpearl]

Nah, there are plenty of good reasons to dislike people on an individual basis. No need for pre-sorting.

[auntie aubrey]

i loathe every permutation and subcategorization of the population equally. depending on how much i could see of the person who cut me off in traffic.

[Stephi_B]

Used to have some racist attitudes when younger :(

Now no longer - I hope.

[Mik]

I've only met a few races here
in space
they're ok

I can say I'd much rather have the diversity than have to stare at only the little bumpy pink ones all day.

[Brynn]

Sorry about the long post -

In Texas, my grandparents were "subtle" racists while talking privately at home:( I think anyone who extrapolates characteristics about a group in general based on the actions of a few individuals is prejudiced/racist.

I've experienced a few unpleasant assumptions/generalizations made about me that made me feel badly. It in no way compares to what victims of racism experience every day, but if the mere slights I've experienced hurt me as much as they did, I can only imagine what it's like for others up against real prejudice.

I think that a lot of people have a certain amount of racism in them, whether they admit it or not, but I'm with Brightpearl - there's plenty to deal with people as individuals without having to extend our complaints to entire groups of people.

My grandparents would never have thought about themselves as racists - out in public, and when dealing with people on a one-to-one basis, they were very kind to everyone, but I'm sure that just the fact that the racism existed at all affected decisions and relationships. Their private attitudes changed with time - I hope and pray that most people grew in awareness during the sixties and seventies, but I think there still are pockets of racism that are definitely alive and well. Just look at the Michael Richards incident, or that Imus character, or Mel Gibson and his anti-semitism. They all deny it, but what comes out of our mouths "accidently" is a pretty good indicator of what we hide in our hearts.

I was five during the race riots in Georgia, and living on a Marine Corps base. My family was ostracized for socializing with the African-American family next door to us, and I distinctly remember my father sitting us down and having a strict talk with us about racism and about trying not to absorb the culture acround us that we were stuck in after my older sister was beat up for being a "n-lover." I saw some ugly things that white kids did to black kids at that age, and never forgot them.

Given all that, I was shocked and disgusted to find racist attitudes developing inside me when I lived in Manhatten for a while - it was entirely based on two aggressive incidents in particular by people who hated me on sight, and on my fears of being a teenager alone in NYC in general. I knew it was irrational at the time, and I'm not proud of it.

Los Angeles, for all its claims of multi-culturalism, is one of the most segregated cities I have ever lived in, enforced mostly by the police. Plus, I waited tables every day with otherwise "enlightened" servers - in nice restaurants - who spoke bitterly about their African-American customers. I personally never had a problem, and feel that they brought a bad attitude to the table to begin with that earned them bad tips, but they swore up and down that it wasn't so, and that they "weren't racist."

Portland, Oregon's a little better, but once in the nineties, I actually worked for a woman in a dress store who specifically told me to "stay close to the blacks who come in so they don't shoplift." :( I refused and quit.

People are going to clash no matter what over all kinds of things, but racism is a particular subject that should be talked about openly and honestly, and unfortunately isn't.

If you feel you are experiencing racism in some situations, topcat, I'm sure you are. It's kind of hard to miss.

[topcat]

the word i wanted to use was "subltle' thanks brynn. your post reminds me of a joke i heard. whats the difference between a black woman and a canoe? a canoe tips. you made a nice post brynn. i hope all the people who said no read it.

[Frieda]

are you a racist, topcat?

[auntie aubrey]

I think anyone who extrapolates characteristics about a group in general based on the actions of a few individuals is prejudiced/racist.

well then let's just lay it out on the table. everyone makes judgments. and the human brain seeks to extrapolate. every single person on god's green earth (as an atheist i use that expression loosely) passes judgment and applies stereotypes based on however he/she comes to terms with the volumes on information and interaction experienced on a daily basis.

if we're going to be completely honest, i'd call bullshit on anyone who said a firm uncompromising "no" to topcat's question. okay, so maybe we don't all pass judgment based on race, sometimes it's based on gender, or the kind of car someone drives ("ugh, i hate hummer drivers!"), or the zip code they live in, or their religion, or a million other ways in which people can be subdivided and classified. we just aren't typically aware of how it comes out of our mouths.

i think a better question than "are you racist" is "are you anything-ist" racist, sexist, ageist, whatever, it's all borne of the same judgmental crap. racism isn't inherently better or worse than all of the other ways in which you can diminish the individuality of any particular person.

and every one of us is subject to that weakness, at some point in our lives, in some way, whether subtle or blatant. and i'll admit that i do it. most times i think it makes for great comedy and that's my intent. if i call someone a jeep-driving frat bro, it's generally a humorous poke. but it's still judgemental and -ist of me.

[craig johnston]

what is the point of this thread?

[auntie aubrey]

don't be pointist.

[rapscalious rob]

:eek: :D ;) (http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/)

[Coffee]

yes, i prefer the looks of indonesian/japanese/chinese men.

:D

Thats pretty much what I meant by "maybe". I have just come to prefer the looks of African and Asian women. (...although pink Dutch women are ok in my book too. ;) )

Excellent posts Brynn and Aunti.
I agree completely and have nothing to add.

[topcat]

are you a racist, topcat?

in a one word answer. yes.

[Jack Flanders]

are you a racist? a simple yes or no will do.

I said no and got shit for that. I'm a humanist. Anyone can piss me off. Hell!! I live in Trenton!! But I don't hate anyone! Mosquitoes, poison ivy and the beer guzzling late-summer killer bees I truly hate.

I'm pissed off now so I am going to have a piece of my home-made peach pie with an extra spoon of vanilla ice cream and not going to share it any of you other ass-hole humans. :mad:

topcat please explain the yes. (and the pie is delish!!!:))

[topcat]

please go to venting angry thread.

[Jack Flanders]

no I'm still busy with my dessert.

[Hyakujo's Fox]

I said no and got shit for that.

and here we come to the point of the thread...

[craig johnston]

^^^
to upset jack?

:confused:

[Stephi_B]

Excellent posts Brynn and Aunti.
I agree completely and have nothing to add.

Aye.

[Frieda]

which races are there, anyway?

i learned from tv shows that mine is called caucasian (white skin)??

[Stephi_B]

^depends very much on definition of 'race' - a very varying thing, mayhap crap altogether :confused:

[Frieda]

well, let's try the american model-- the one you have to put on your visa waiver if want to enter the USA:

caucasian
african american
asian
hispanic

is that it?

[Coffee]

+
American Indian
Australian Aboriginal
Inuit (is that a race...or are they lumped in with American Indian???)

[Frieda]

^ so theres at least 6 races, 7 if you count inuit (you're not sure of it)

so what happens if you are from spain, does that make you hispanic, or caucasian?

and where do the people from the middle east fit in?

[Stephi_B]

^^^ Stumbled also over the US model, which confused me a lot. Hispanics, i.e. people origining south from the Rio grande can be white, native American, black or varying mixes. Also 'Asian' is strange, it applied to Mid Easterners too as I understood, but many Arabs, Persians etc. look more like Caucasian I'd say, like people from Italy, Greece, Spain - Mediterranean. And likewise Indians and Pakistanis are thrown in one pot with Chinese, Japanese.

This scheme here seemed a bit more logical:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Neighbor-joining_Tree.svg
(This is a genetic distance map)

What do you think?

[topcat]

Race/Ethnicity
White(not of Hispanic origin)___
Black (not of Hispanic origin)___
Asian/Pacific Islander ___
Native American/Inuit(Eskimo) ____
Hispanic ___
Other(specify)___

pretty much the standard form on u.s. documents

[Earthling]

Race/Ethnicity
White(not of Hispanic origin)___
Black (not of Hispanic origin)___
Asian/Pacific Islander ___
Native American/Inuit(Eskimo) ____
Hispanic ___
Other(specify)___

quite honestly, I always check 'other' and specify__Earthling
this is actually a pet-peeve of mine, for humans need to realize that there is only one true race on this planet. If a mating can produce an offspring, it is the same species. If it ain't the same species, its a jackass(mule). 'nough said:cool:

[Frieda]

stephi, according to your thingy i would be.. english

and people from spain would be italian

and people from the middle east would be iranian?


but now the north africans don't fit in! :confused:

[topcat]

sicilians

[Anna]

are you a racist, topcat?
in a one word answer. yes.

maybe you need an exorcism?


stephi, according to your thingy i would be.. english
and people from spain would be italian
and people from the middle east would be iranian?
but now the north africans don't fit in! :confused:

Iranians are Caucasian and their language is indo-European

[Frieda]

^ now i'm completely lost

so iranians are caucasian and pakistani are asian?

then i still haven't heard about north africans, what are they?

[Anna]

^ now i'm completely lost

so iranians are caucasian and pakistani are asian?

pakistan is a made up word
punjab afghanistan kashmir (I think the I is for india - not certain)
stan just means country home place

then i still haven't heard about north africans, what are they?

how far back do you want to go?
Prehistoric man - India - China - Nubian - Persia - Carthage - Greece - Rome...?

[Frieda]

? :confused:

every word is a made up word

i'm trying to grasp the USA concept of racial distinction

just wondering to which group the people that live in pakistan/india belong to, as well as north africans..

to be honest, i don't understand this system at all, what's it's purpose anyway? why would you want to register someone's race?

[Anna]

? :confused:

every word is a made up word

i'm trying to grasp the USA concept of racial distinction

just wondering to which group the people that live in pakistan/india belong to, as well as north africans..

to be honest, i don't understand this system at all, what's it's purpose anyway? why would you want to register someone's race?
Could ask Heckle or Darwin I guess.

Historically there were 4 races red yellow white black (those German scientists always classifying stuff)

Then in the 1970s cultural socialists added Hispanic which would be Spanish Indian - red brown people from the East Islands, Central and South American Native as opposed to Spanish European, white people who invaded those regions.

Another sub-category would be Asian Islanders like Hawaiians and Spanish Asian Islanders like Philippinos.

Where ever Europeans landed a boat and mated with the locals you'll find a distinction.

Native Americans/Canadian and Inuit, formally Eskimos, would depend on the tribe and date of arrival.

Now they pretty much use the classification of race in the US to keep track of the equality of employment, education, housing and more recently medical information. One big giant melting pot! Some people think everyone should have an equal share in what's cooking in the pot and since the European migration, starting with Columbus that eventually formed the US of A only white Europeans were considered human beings; surprisingly some people still feel that way, on both sides. Long history of working that one out. Race still hold weight when it comes to the treatment of people in the US and the world, but it is also used as a political tool. Right or wrong depends on the situation.

The Middle East aka Near East, is a mish mosh of Indian Chinese Persians (aka Iranians) Turks (which is a mix of a mix) and North Africans (which is a mix of a mix of a mix) - most middle easterners after the fall of/migrations from Mesopotamia were nomads or settled elsewhere (becoming mixes), until they discovered oil. Then everyone started sitting down where they stood and calling themselves something or other. Like the family or Saudi tribe - they named the place where they sat after themselves.

[Frieda]

isn't this race system just too complicated to maintain??

i mean, the real races like you describe (and what i was taught in geography/history class) don't make sense at all if you try to place them in the USA thingy (which i wasnt taught at school).

the way you describe it, it has become a culture, folklore maybe, something to be proud of? am i right?

distinction based on race seems of the past to me, i thought distinction based on religious views was more fashionable these days.. people fight wars over that nowadays anyway. fascinating.. i wonder what will be the next subject?

[auntie aubrey]

i'm trying to grasp the USA concept of racial distinction

the answer depends heavily on whether you mean the american people or the american government.

the american government defines race as in topcat's post. in that case those listed fall under "other."

the american people, i would say, would certainly agree that it's ludicrous to limit the racial definition to so few options. however i would also say that most americans would decide that indians are in a distinct race but others in that region (probably including those from north africa) are "middle eastern."

to be honest, i don't understand this system at all, what's it's purpose anyway? why would you want to register someone's race?

it's strictly voluntary and typically used in employment circumstances as a means for for companies to staff a more ethnically diverse group. typically the self identification section also asks for gender and whether or not you are a military veteran. again, to serve the same purposes. other places you find this is on the census and standardized tests, when the government is trying to gather statistical data.

[Avalon]

sicilians

:cool:
You, me, and Sophia
;)

[Earthling]

er...read my signature:p
Several months ago, it was confirmed that bigotry within the human race begins in infancy. Babies at ages as young as six months begin showing preferences and adversions based upon color.
It is no wonder to anyone that most hate spiders, and we all love butterflies.
I truely think being racist is an instinctual reaction. One of course, that we can strive to over-come thru our awareness, but can never truely defeat.
Afterall, you're all 'only human'http://www.smileypad.com/v224/Rude/LaLaLa.gif

[rapscalious rob]

…distinction based on race seems of the past to me, i thought distinction based on religious views was more fashionable these days..

I agree.

Unfortunately, it seems like anti-Islamicism is the fashionable bigotry of the US at the moment. But, there are other varieties that still flourish…

[Anna]

isn't this race system just too complicated to maintain??

i mean, the real races like you describe (and what i was taught in geography/history class) don't make sense at all if you try to place them in the USA thingy (which i wasnt taught at school).

the way you describe it, it has become a culture, folklore maybe, something to be proud of? am i right?

distinction based on race seems of the past to me, i thought distinction based on religious views was more fashionable these days.. people fight wars over that nowadays anyway. fascinating.. i wonder what will be the next subject?

It's more culture, economics and medical. The US has a troubled history, the lines are fuzzy. Regardless, it has many political underpinnings.

divide and conquer works.

[Anna]

er...read my signature:p
Several months ago, it was confirmed that bigotry within the human race begins in infancy. Babies at ages as young as six months begin showing preferences and adversions based upon color. It is no wonder to anyone that most hate spiders, and we all love butterflies. I truely think being racist is an instinctual reaction. One of course, that we can strive to over-come thru our awareness, but can never truely defeat. Afterall, you're all 'only human'http://www.smileypad.com/v224/Rude/LaLaLa.gif


this theory seems to have a few holes in it since of the five senses newborns experience sound, smell, touch and taste before color site and focus. I don't think I'd call it bigotry either perhaps, discrimination. Of course the ability to discriminate is an important survival skill.

Who on earth "confirmed" that we are born bigots?

[Stephi_B]

stephi, according to your thingy i would be.. english

and people from spain would be italian

and people from the middle east would be iranian?


but now the north africans don't fit in! :confused:

Nay, in this graphic (notice that the boxes, i.e. 'races' are just another definition, only here roughly aligned to genetic differences and - actually pre-modern time! - geographical context) just some exemplary ethnic groups are drawn in. The Dutch and German dots should be somewhere near the English one (CJ that OK if we dot ourselves there? ;)) and Spanish and Italian dots should also be close. North Africans (also close to Spanish dot - Caliphate history and all) are either Caucasian or African, actually these boxes (and all the others) should have overlap regions imo.

Well and there are two points that disturb me in this scheme too (although it makes more sense, also in that way that if you start following the red line from the African box it roughly fits with the spread of first humans Africa --> Europe/West Asia --> East Asia --> Pacific/Australia/America):
The maximal genetic difference (that is the longest distance of these red lines) is only like 10-15% I read and these also affect only rather minor genes, like the ones for skin tone, hair structure/colour variety, density of body hair (guess who's the hairiest of the crew - us pink ones ;)) and such things like the worse alcohol metabolism of Amerindians or that with Africans the recessive genes causing sickle cell anaemia are more often. Most of these differences come from the time when our ancestors started wandering out of Africa, in very small populations, some thousand people or so, thus genes 'got lost', mutated in different ways and so on. The rest is due to climate/sun intensity. Also a lot of scientist say that 'race' simply does not exist.
The other thing is with this ethnic groups. Take for example the English (applies for any other too): Some thousand years ago those people who formed the prototypical Englishman belonged to many different ethnic groups: Picts, Angles, Saxons, Norse etc. And just like that the prototypical Englishman is constantly changing through modern day immigration, so the dot should slowly shift (or do the boxes melt together as the global village becomes more and more reality?)

Like some other posters said I think putting people in religious/cultural boxes is becoming more common today. Or what I experienced (particularly on that other board with majorly North Americans posting there, but I guess such opinions are not really confined to N.A.s) is the transfer/mix of the 'race' notion with the 'religion'/'culture' notion (for example that Mid Easterns are automatically assumed to be practising Muslims and Muslims are termed 'brown people' - or worse...) - and way too often with all the stereotyping/prejudicing/arranging people into static, monolithic blocks according to some common criteria they share.

sicilians
Are wonderful! :) Yeah, I know am generalising/prejudicing ;)

[brightpearl]

Just F everybody's I, this is the American Anthropological Association's official statement (http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm) on race (the italics are mine):

In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.

Physical variations in any given trait tend to occur gradually rather than abruptly over geographic areas. And because physical traits are inherited independently of one another, knowing the range of one trait does not predict the presence of others. For example, skin color varies largely from light in the temperate areas in the north to dark in the tropical areas in the south; its intensity is not related to nose shape or hair texture. Dark skin may be associated with frizzy or kinky hair or curly or wavy or straight hair, all of which are found among different indigenous peoples in tropical regions. These facts render any attempt to establish lines of division among biological populations both arbitrary and subjective.

Historical research has shown that the idea of "race" has always carried more meanings than mere physical differences; indeed, physical variations in the human species have no meaning except the social ones that humans put on them. Today scholars in many fields argue that "race" as it is understood in the United States of America was a social mechanism invented during the 18th century to refer to those populations brought together in colonial America: the English and other European settlers, the conquered Indian peoples, and those peoples of Africa brought in to provide slave labor.

From its inception, this modern concept of "race" was modeled after an ancient theorem of the Great Chain of Being, which posited natural categories on a hierarchy established by God or nature. Thus "race" was a mode of classification linked specifically to peoples in the colonial situation. It subsumed a growing ideology of inequality devised to rationalize European attitudes and treatment of the conquered and enslaved peoples. Proponents of slavery in particular during the 19th century used "race" to justify the retention of slavery. The ideology magnified the differences among Europeans, Africans, and Indians, established a rigid hierarchy of socially exclusive categories underscored and bolstered unequal rank and status differences, and provided the rationalization that the inequality was natural or God-given. The different physical traits of African-Americans and Indians became markers or symbols of their status differences.

As they were constructing US society, leaders among European-Americans fabricated the cultural/behavioral characteristics associated with each "race," linking superior traits with Europeans and negative and inferior ones to blacks and Indians. Numerous arbitrary and fictitious beliefs about the different peoples were institutionalized and deeply embedded in American thought.

Early in the 19th century the growing fields of science began to reflect the public consciousness about human differences. Differences among the "racial" categories were projected to their greatest extreme when the argument was posed that Africans, Indians, and Europeans were separate species, with Africans the least human and closer taxonomically to apes.

Ultimately "race" as an ideology about human differences was subsequently spread to other areas of the world. It became a strategy for dividing, ranking, and controlling colonized people used by colonial powers everywhere. But it was not limited to the colonial situation. In the latter part of the 19th century it was employed by Europeans to rank one another and to justify social, economic, and political inequalities among their peoples. During World War II, the Nazis under Adolf Hitler enjoined the expanded ideology of "race" and "racial" differences and took them to a logical end: the extermination of 11 million people of "inferior races" (e.g., Jews, Gypsies, Africans, homosexuals, and so forth) and other unspeakable brutalities of the Holocaust.

"Race" thus evolved as a worldview, a body of prejudgments that distorts our ideas about human differences and group behavior. Racial beliefs constitute myths about the diversity in the human species and about the abilities and behavior of people homogenized into "racial" categories. The myths fused behavior and physical features together in the public mind, impeding our comprehension of both biological variations and cultural behavior, implying that both are genetically determined. Racial myths bear no relationship to the reality of human capabilities or behavior. Scientists today find that reliance on such folk beliefs about human differences in research has led to countless errors.

At the end of the 20th century, we now understand that human cultural behavior is learned, conditioned into infants beginning at birth, and always subject to modification. No human is born with a built-in culture or language. Our temperaments, dispositions, and personalities, regardless of genetic propensities, are developed within sets of meanings and values that we call "culture." Studies of infant and early childhood learning and behavior attest to the reality of our cultures in forming who we are.

It is a basic tenet of anthropological knowledge that all normal human beings have the capacity to learn any cultural behavior. The American experience with immigrants from hundreds of different language and cultural backgrounds who have acquired some version of American culture traits and behavior is the clearest evidence of this fact. Moreover, people of all physical variations have learned different cultural behaviors and continue to do so as modern transportation moves millions of immigrants around the world.

How people have been accepted and treated within the context of a given society or culture has a direct impact on how they perform in that society. The "racial" worldview was invented to assign some groups to perpetual low status, while others were permitted access to privilege, power, and wealth. The tragedy in the United States has been that the policies and practices stemming from this worldview succeeded all too well in constructing unequal populations among Europeans, Native Americans, and peoples of African descent. Given what we know about the capacity of normal humans to achieve and function within any culture, we conclude that present-day inequalities between so-called "racial" groups are not consequences of their biological inheritance but products of historical and contemporary social, economic, educational, and political circumstances.

[Stephi_B]

Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them.


Ah, it's even less than I read (on Wiki I think)!

The last paragraph of what you posted is crucial I think. No matter according to what people differentiate each other (think about classes/castes for example) it's very often to make the group you put yourself into outstanding in some way.

[lostsadie]

I think I'm racist against pure bloods...but I don't know any so it makes my racism easier to deal with and also harder to prove.

I prefer mutts, who can trace their muted jeans back enough to know their great grand fathers profession and such...and I ask too.

[T.I.P.]

I think I'm racist against pure bloods...but I don't know any so it makes my racism easier to deal with and also harder to prove.

I prefer mutts, who can trace their muted jeans back enough to know their great grand fathers profession and such...and I ask too.

i have nothing against pure bloods as long as they are not in house of slytherin.

eta:
ahem..sorry bout that...

no what i meant to say is that, yes, it makes sense to be attracted to mutts. They are less prone to expressing recessive genes that can cause strange afflictions.

Vive les mutts !

[rapscalious rob]

hidden message from previous post (http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/)

[nerd emoticon]

[lostsadie]

^^^^^^^^^^

Great site :)

[Pixie Cherries]

Well, this is a serious reply and I apologize for that. Reluctantly, I might be racist out of fear and anger. My friends grandparents were murdered 20 years ago by illegal aliens in a horrible thrill kill that almost defies imagination. It ended their family business. It changed lives forever. It hurt a lot of people. I still lock all my doors and secure windows at night, even in the summer. The police won't even go into certain parts of our city that are heavily Hispanic unless it is of major consequence because of so much crime. I feel uneasy around Hispanics who don't speak English. Is that racism? I don't know. Like many others locally, I do sense a number of them have racism towards me. Where do you draw the line? How do you define racism?

[auntie aubrey]

^ i appreciate the honesty of that reply.

[Klynne]

I am white. I was called an ugly ass white bitch, when I was walking across a parking lot,where I had apparently not been getting out of someone's way fast enough. It hurt my feelings, but I moved on. I did not take this experience with me to believe that all black women are jerks. I just ran into a jerk. There are jerks of all races.

[Avalon]

When I was in school, there were no 'racists'..only prejudiced people. :rolleyes:


Racism or Prejudice (http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~mdlee/Teaching/racism.html)

[Anna]

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[Avalon]

I have decided that I am a racist.

I have read and reread the latest Bin Laden message; I am not, nor will I ever be a Duke...
but I am indeed a racist.

God forgive me, but I am.

[craig johnston]

hmm, ok, well, firstly, this whole idea of just saying yes or no to a question which contains a word which people seem to have a lot of difficulty in defining, seems somewhat facile. but i'll let that one go.
so, we need to know what we're all talking about when we use the word racist.
what is racism?
in my very humble opinion;
in it's most obvious form, it is the belief that one race (usually one's own), is superior to another,or all others, and thus deserves preferential rights.
in this sense i would say that i am not a racist. i do not believe that white europeans are in any way superior to asians, or africans or whatever.
however, i am guilty of prejudice in the sense that i do react differently to different people based on, among other things, their race. i do not behave in the same way when in the company of a young turkish boy or an old russian woman. we all do this. it's human nature to make judgemants on the people we meet based on external differences such as gender, age, race, religion, physical appearance etc. to deny this is to deny human nature.

as to the above. if the rantings of one nutter make you hate a whole race, you need to ask yourself some questions.

;)

[Avalon]

^^^don't even go there.

[auntie aubrey]

good lord, man. what are your other 8 posts like?

[Avalon]

wow

and AA..they are all gems. :rolleyes:

[auntie aubrey]

so i see.

i kind of feel bad for the catholics because they don't get a cutesy hate word to describe them in short summary. i'll ask my in-laws if they have a preferred slur that michaelG can use in the future.

i was wondering, at what point does racism become so all-encompassing that it no longer makes sense to use that word? like, if you discriminate against a few, that's racism. but if you discriminate against all, then it's supremacy. that would almost be a more succinct way to describe it, and it would distinguish between those who admit that they partake of a little bias, and those who hate everyone on the gol'durn planet.

[trisherina]

Could be Jerusalem, or it could be Cairo
Could be Berlin, or it could be Prague
Could be Moscow, could be New York
Could be Llanelli, and it could be Warrington
Could be Warsaw, and it could be Moose Jaw
Could be Rome
Everybody got somewhere they call home
When they overrun the defences
A minor invasion put down to expenses
Will you go down to the airport lounge
Will you accept your second class status
A nation of waitresses and waiters
Will you mix their martinis
Will you stand still for it
Or will you take to the hills

It could be clay and it could be sand
Could be desert
Could be a tract of arable land
Could be a house, could be a corner shop
Could be a cabin by a bend in the river
Could be something your old man handed down
Could be something you built on your own
Everybody got something he calls home

When the cowboys and Arabs draw down
On each other at noon
In the cool dusty air of the city boardroom
Will you stand by a passive spectator
Of the market dictators
Will you discreetly withdraw
With your ear pressed to the boardroom door
Will you hear when the lion within you roars
Will you take to the hills

Will you stand, will you stand for it
Will you hear, ohhhh! ohhh! when the lion within
you roars

Could be your father and it could be your mother
Could be your sister, could be your brother
Could be a foreigner, could be a Turk
Could be a cyclist out looking for work. Norman
Could be a king, could be the Aga khan
Could be a Vietnam vet with no arms and no legs
Could be a saint, could be a sinner
Could be a loser or it could be a winner
Could be a banker, could be a baker
Could be a Laker, could be Kareem Abdul Jabar
Could be a male voice choir
Could be a lover, could be a fighter
Could be a super heavyweight, or it could be
something lighter
Could be a cripple, could be a freak
Could be a wop, gook, geek
Could be a cop, could be a thief
Could be a family of ten living in one room on relief
Could be our leaders in their concrete tombs
With their tinned food and their silver spoons
Could be the pilot with God on his side
Could be the kid in the middle of the bomb sight
Could be a fanatic, could be a terrorist
Could be a dentist, could be a psychiatrist
Could be humble, could be proud
Could be a face in the crowd
Could be the soldier in the white cravat
Who turns the key in spite of the fact
That this is the end of the cat and mouse
Who dwelt in the house
Where the laughter rang and the tears were spilt
The house that Jack built
Where the laughter rang and the tears were spilt
The house that Jack built
Bang, bang, shoot, shoot
White gloved thumb, Lord thy will be done
He was always a good boy his mother said
He'll do his duty when he's grown, yeah
Everybody's got someone they call home (http://www.rogerwaters.org/kaoslyrics.html)

[michaelG]

Racism is nothing more than the application of observation in order to make accurate generalizations to a race.

If one observes a certain observation in a large percentage of a groups population ( violence, low living standard, illiteracy, sexual promiscuity, frugality, violent tendencies) one can certainly apply this characteristic to the whole race.

[auntie aubrey]

i've observed a certain observation in this thread.

[craig johnston]

Racism is nothing more than the application of observation in order to make accurate generalizations to a race.

If one observes a certain observation in a large percentage of a groups population ( violence, low living standard, illiteracy, sexual promiscuity, frugality, violent tendencies) one can certainly apply this characteristic to the whole race.

exactly wrong

:rolleyes:

[michaelG]

i've observed a certain observation in this thread.

I appreciate your observation of the observation that I also observed. As you may have deduced from your observation I meant to say 'tendencies' ; for the sake of thread continuity I will not edit my post.

[auntie aubrey]

i don't deduce. it's bad for the knees.

[T.I.P.]

"if one observes a certain tendencies" ? :confused:

[michaelG]

"if one observes a certain tendencies" ? :confused:

I see we are in a room full of observant observers. Please use fuzzy logic when reading my posts. Remove 'a' or replace tendencies w/ tendency.

[auntie aubrey]

humans need to realize that there is only one true race on this planet. If a mating can produce an offspring, it is the same species.

i dunno, michaelG, if i had to choose between your view and earthling's view, i'd go with earthling's view. you should consider sticking to earthling's view, too.

[michaelG]

i dunno, michaelG, if i had to choose between your view and earthling's view, i'd go with earthling's view. you should consider sticking to earthling's view, too.

Shall we sing "Kum ba yah" ?

[Stephi_B]

Yes I am a racist. I hate all niggers, spics, slant-eyed chinks, wetbacks, kikes, wops, sand-niggers, and catholic pieces of shit ( wops, hipanics, irish).


1) Who are 'wops'? :confused: (Please forgive me, am nothing but an Euro-weener...)
2) The above means in short 'I hate everybody who isn't WASP', or?

Racism is nothing more than the application of observation in order to make accurate generalizations to a race.

If one observes a certain observation in a large percentage of a groups population ( violence, low living standard, illiteracy, sexual promiscuity, frugality, violent tendencies) one can certainly apply this characteristic to the whole race.

OK, could you please explain to me how you apply this % theory on 3 explicit examples:

Same %'s for 'niggers' living in the USA and for those living in poorest of sub-Sahara African countries??
Same %'s for 'sand-niggers' living in the United Arabian Emirates and for those living in say Afghanistan or Pakistan??
Same %'s for 'catholic pieces of shit' living in Southern Germany/France/Italy/Ireland/Spain/Portugal and for those living in Ecuador or on the Phillippines??


My, my, my... :rolleyes:

[michaelG]

1) Who are 'wops'? :confused: (Please forgive me, am nothing but an Euro-weener...)
2) The above means in short 'I hate everybody who isn't WASP', or?



OK, could you please explain to me how you apply this % theory on 3 explicit examples:

Same %'s for 'niggers' living in the USA and for those living in poorest of sub-Sahara African countries??
Same %'s for 'sand-niggers' living in the United Arabian Emirates and for those living in say Afghanistan or Pakistan??
Same %'s for 'catholic pieces of shit' living in Southern Germany/France/Italy/Ireland/Spain/Portugal and for those living in Ecuador or on the Phillippines??




My, my, my... :rolleyes:

Wop is in the dictionary; look it up

one need only look at the horrific violence and living conditions in Africa to see the 'nigger' tendency in its most pure form, in addition to the outrageous Aids epidemic brought on by sexual promiscuity--not to mention the rape of children by aids infected men looking for a cure.
Then there is the sexual exploitation of children by slanty-eyed chinks, and the all too readily apparent problem with the sand niggers. Need I go further. I must say I was impressed with your line of argument for a split second--and then I engaged my correct thinking and applied the facts to the race in question in order to come with a logically derived answer.

If anything good at all can be said about the races I mentioned it is that when exposed to the American White dominated culture the negative characteristics can be held in check--albeit to a very small degree by an infinitesimal % of the population

[Anna]

I know this is an issue that will probably go about this far, none the less this needs to be said, Michael please seek therapy for the pent up anger you feel towards your fellow human beings.

In regards to your (cough) argument, you discount that many of the maladies people around the world suffer are due in large part to centuries of European intervention and conquest.

Try and pick up the pieces and make the world a better place, and please, please get you some education.

[auntie aubrey]

Then there is the sexual exploitation of children by slanty-eyed chinks

guy's never watched an episode of "dateline."

[auntie aubrey]

also, i apologize to anyone who feels i'm making light of these remarks.

but, you know, come ON. freakin' TROLL over here.

[Stephi_B]

^^^^ OK then, you're a white supremacist - s'pose that even white-as-a-chalked-wall whites are rating lower on your scale when they aren't American (or have the 'wrong' or no confession)...

(Btw, that split second might have been a split second where you thought rational)

[michaelG]

guy's never watched an episode of "dateline."

GOOD point !!! Though there are many towel headed indians and sand-niggers on that show, most of the child predators are white. Additionally, it is a proven fact that most mass murderers are white. But the key is that as a percentage of the population this is a neglible number as it may be for the slanty-eyed chinks.

Perhaps the worst thing I can say about slanty-eyed chinks is that they work really , really hard. See-- I am not closed minded, nor am I a troll.

[michaelG]

you discount that many of the maladies people around the world suffer are due in large part to centuries of European intervention and conquest.
.

This would show that the race is incapable of adaptation , adaptation is biological and a failure to adapt would indicate inferiority.

[brightpearl]

I found a picture of sock monkeys.
http://drewboone.com/blogbabies/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/reprodepot_1902_215978484.png

and OMG BUBBLEGUM.
http://www.medgadget.com/archives/img/gum.jpg

[brightpearl]

And we forgot the funyns.

http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/mary.jesus.funyun.jpg

What is this board coming to?!?

[Anna]

This would show that the race is incapable of adaptation , adaptation is biological and a failure to adapt would indicate inferiority.

hmm... your argument would then indicate that you are biologically inferior and a failure since you seem to be unable to adapt to this board.

but we circle jerk.

l8ter d00d

[michaelG]

hmm... your argument would then indicate that you are biologically inferior and a failure since you seem to be unable to adapt to this board.



l8ter d00d

I did not ask the question.

[brightpearl]

If you wear too many HATS, your neck gets tired. :(
http://www.ukkiting.com/shop/catalog/images/IMG_4400.JPG

[Frieda]

i must say, michael, that your description of your views on racism is the most extreme i've ever heard.


i'd like to ask you to refrain from using the word wops or niggers or any other denigrating term for a race, this kind of language is not accepted here.

so feel free to discuss one race's supremacy over the other, but don't use words like "wop" or "nigger", ok?


and do note, there's board rules to comply with here (http://bulletin.zefrank.com/showthread.php?t=11971), and i expect you to read and play by those. please see rule #8, as you have already received a cookie from Brightpearl.

thank you for your cooperation. :)

[auntie aubrey]

I am not a troll.

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2003/06/16/image558769x.jpg

[michaelG]

i must say, michael, that your description of your views on racism is the most extreme i've ever heard.


i'd like to ask you to refrain from using the word wops or niggers or any other denigrating term for a race, this kind of language is not accepted here.

so feel free to discuss one race's supremacy over the other, but don't use words like "wop" or "nigger", ok?


and do note, there's board rules to comply with here (http://bulletin.zefrank.com/showthread.php?t=11971), and i expect you to read and play by those. please see rule #8, as you have already received a cookie from Brightpearl.

thank you for your cooperation. :)

you are very welcome :) :D :D

[l'azizza]

Cat Cat cat cat cat cat Caaaat

[Earthling]

Gang of Racists
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc254/npfd609/Running/AnnetteRacing082507.jpg
:p

[michaelG]

Gang of Racists
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc254/npfd609/Running/AnnetteRacing082507.jpg
:p

eeeeeeeeeeeeeek white people everywhere.

I love everyone no matter what race, creed, color, religion or sexual orientation.

[House,M.D.]

^ I no longer need to wonder where my stash went. BTW, you forgot Jehovah's Witnesses and Atheists. They will be standing in the corner with the Catholics until you find the appropriate slur.
http://www.metrotimes.com/sb/49798/FP1Vicodin.jpg

[auntie aubrey]

we atheists prefer the slur "hell babies."

[Tunesmith]

we atheists prefer the slur "hell babies."

:D

If it's alright with you, auntie, I'm introducing myself as that from now on. :cool:

[Tunesmith]

This would show that the race is incapable of adaptation , adaptation is biological and a failure to adapt would indicate inferiority.

forgive me, but isn't evolution meant to happen, say, over the course of hundreds of thousands of years?

And since AIDS is a recent virus, isn't it essentially impossible for us to develop an immunity in under 30 years?

I'm just sayin'...

[Brynn]

I love everyone no matter what race, creed, color, religion or sexual orientation.

There you go. Words are powerful. Keep practicing, dear. Maybe someday you'll get to the end of your driveway and actually believe it, because life has a way of teaching hard lessons.

Racism is nothing more than the application of observation in order to make accurate generalizations to a race.

If one observes a certain observation in a large percentage of a groups population ( violence, low living standard, illiteracy, sexual promiscuity, frugality, violent tendencies) one can certainly apply this characteristic to the whole race.
Sorry mG, I know how you must hate the attention, but I can't go without saying that I do marvel at your amazing - no - omnipotent powers of observation that you base your views on (if you're for real, that is)! You must have some kind of supernatural access to all the percentages and statistics and occurrences that exist in the world, really, to make a statement like that. Then, to be able to distill all that diverse information from your vast research into digestible chunks of extrapolation - well, it gums my comprehension. Then again, I imagine that everyone who comes to your kind of conclusions shares the same remarkable brain capacities.
I'm a little prejudiced about you. I don't like neo-nazis or KKK because I know for a fact that every last one of them ate leaded paint chips as children, but I admit it's a blind spot of mine.
You're probably really just some sarcastic attention whore who wants to stir things up and use offensive language just to see the reaction. You're bored/wounded/angry/full of yourself, I dunno. That's my most charitable take on your comments, but hey, you wanted a reaction.
I could go ahead and make the fervent pleas for you to put off breeding for a few years, but maybe you've got your reasons for feeling the way you do. I wouldn't know, not being omnipresent, not knowing the how and why of what's in your heart. But unless you can legitimately claim that power of insight into the souls of the people you hate, I see no reason why anyone should ever take your "views" seriously.

[michaelG]

There you go. Words are powerful. Keep practicing, dear. Maybe someday you'll get to the end of your driveway and actually believe it, because life has a way of teaching hard lessons.


Sorry mG, I know how you must hate the attention, but I can't go without saying that I do marvel at your amazing - no - omnipotent powers of observation that you base your views on (if you're for real, that is)! You must have some kind of supernatural access to all the percentages and statistics and occurrences that exist in the world, really, to make a statement like that. Then, to be able to distill all that diverse information from your vast research into digestible chunks of extrapolation - well, it gums my comprehension. Then again, I imagine that everyone who comes to your kind of conclusions shares the same remarkable brain capacities.
I'm a little prejudiced about you. I don't like neo-nazis or KKK because I know for a fact that every last one of them ate leaded paint chips as children, but I admit it's a blind spot of mine.
You're probably really just some sarcastic attention whore who wants to stir things up and use offensive language just to see the reaction. You're bored/wounded/angry/full of yourself, I dunno. That's my most charitable take on your comments, but hey, you wanted a reaction.
I could go ahead and make the fervent pleas for you to put off breeding for a few years, but maybe you've got your reasons for feeling the way you do. I wouldn't know, not being omnipresent, not knowing the how and why of what's in your heart. But unless you can legitimately claim that power of insight into the souls of the people you hate, I see no reason why anyone should ever take your "views" seriously.

Like I said : I did not ask the question.

[Coffee]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c21/coffeespics/stuff/troll.jpg

[trisherina]

I'm going to vote sock rather than troll. I hate to even say as much because it implies that maybe at some level I give a ****.

True enough, though, that people don't like it when you answer their questions unless it's the answer they'd rather hear. Life's kind of like one big interview that way. Social skills just aren't for everyone.

[michaelG]

I'm going to vote sock rather than troll. I hate to even say as much because it implies that maybe at some level I give a ****.

True enough, though, that people don't like it when you answer their questions unless it's the answer they'd rather hear. Life's kind of like one big interview that way. Social skills just aren't for everyone.

Any other proud african-americans in here ? I did not think so. :eek:

[brightpearl]

*we interupt this thread solely for brightpearl's self-amusement*

Look! Kittens!
http://z.about.com/d/cats/1/0/R/x/kittens_beckyd.jpg

Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!!
Heeeeere kitty kitty kitty...

[auntie aubrey]

Any other proud african-americans in here ? I did not think so. :eek:

what, you think i really look like my avatar?

[Avalon]

what, you think i really look like my avatar?

OMG..you mean we don't????
:p

[auntie aubrey]

don't you??

[Avalon]

I do now :cool:
:D

[Klynne]

Why did you do this to me????? I have three grown cats and I love kittens. Must not go to pet stores.....I walked into one recently and wanted to get a kitten. My brother talked me out of it (Thank God). You are evil:)

*we interupt this thread solely for brightpearl's self-amusement*

Look! Kittens!
http://z.about.com/d/cats/1/0/R/x/kittens_beckyd.jpg

Hey Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!!
Heeeeere kitty kitty kitty...

[Brynn]

Yeah, sock, of course sock.
I need my own drama queen sock puppet, come to think of it, for moments like these...:p

[Anna]

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good kitty