burn in hell

[zenbabe]

Defrocked Priest John Geoghan Killed in Prison, AP Reports
Aug. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Defrocked priest John Geoghan, who was convicted of molesting a 10-year-old boy and sentenced to 10 years in prison died earlier today from injuries inflicted by another inmate, the Associated Press reported.

Geoghan was injured in the attack and taken to the Leominster hospital, where he died, AP said, citing David Shaw, a spokesman for the Department of Public Safety. The other inmate has been isolated and the incident is under investigation, AP reported.

The Roman Catholic Church's problems during the past year regarding abuse by priests emerged from during the trial of Geoghan in January 2002.

While he was convicted of groping one boy at a swimming pool, more than 130 people have claimed abuse by Geoghan during the three decades he served as a priest in the Boston area. The church was then accused of moving Geoghan to other parishes in an effort to hide the abuse

[malina]

YAY!!!

[beckstra]

I would just like to point out, that if you believe in what the Bible says, that this man's sin is the same as yours or mine. So if in his last hours he reconciled himself to God, he's got the same chance of ending up in heaven as you or I do should we do the same.

[JesusTitties]

i 110% agree with beckstra.

[malina]

1. the bible is a book to me. nothing else.
2. i don't believe in "heaven"
3. in don't believe in a "god"
4. i do believe in taking responsibility for your actions
5. there is nothing on earth more precious than a child's soul. i cannot tolerate child molesters, regardless of whether they attend church or they don't. do you know what happens to a child's soul when it gets violated? ( especially by a person that they trust ) it hurts to get raped. but that's physical and you eventually get over it. the mental damage is much much deeper. i am not a revengeful person, i understand the concept of forgiveness and second chances. but not for child molesters.

( child molesters are repeat offenders. the fact that some of them might have "found god" hasn't kept them from doing it yet... )

[beckstra]

Okay. I was just saying then.

[zenbabe]

I was raised Catholic and have been repeatidly disgusted by the behavior of the church for many many years. From beatings in elementry school to multiple convictions of rape. The fact that they cover it up and send priests to a monistary in New Mexico instead of jail is almost to much to take. The fact that sexual preditors are disguised as vessels of God is about the most disgusting and horrifying thing that could ever be possible. The fact that you can commit any falicy and say a couple of hail mary's and still cross the pearly gates never quite made sense to me. Why do you think the mafia has always been catholic? They are all going to heaven! Even after whacking jimmy the pig and wiping out his family.

I don't care if he is "sorry" for raping little boys for 30 years.

I hope he is getting raped by a saudering iron right now..and for all eternity..

praise be the lord.

amen.

[AllegroNg]

I'm with Malina here. I can't understand a religion that woudl justify molestation.

[azur]

AllegroNg wrote:
I can't understand a religion that would justify molestation.
But the christian religion is like that! You may like or not but it's not going to change as it's a base of it.
I'm neither defending or accusing the religion (I'm an atheist) but those are the facts, the rules of religion.
It's just like when if you married for the second time you will not get resolution untill you leave your 2. husband/wife and go back to the first one (no matter if she/he also remarried...).
Those are the rules. If you call yourself christian you should agree with them.

[priceyfatprude]

I thought being/calling yourself a Christian meant you believed in Jesus. Or in JesusHooters. :p

One of my favorite quotes ever:

Going to church makes you a Christian as much as sitting in a garage makes you a car.

I like this quote b/c my best friend (who does not post here, just so no rumors go flying) and her sisters were molested by their dad as children. He is an usher & goes to the Catholic church every Sunday. Motherfvcker. :mad:


I think a lot of it hinges on the way you live your life. I'm not sure what I am as far as labels go. Labels are for food, not people. My beliefs are culled from a bunch of different religions. I don't know what to call myself, so I don't.

[agentsmith]

Originally posted by azur
But the christian religion is like that! You may like or not but it's not going to change as it's a base of it.
I'm neither defending or accusing the religion (I'm an atheist) but those are the facts, the rules of religion.
It's just like when if you married for the second time you will not get resolution untill you leave your 2. husband/wife and go back to the first one (no matter if she/he also remarried...).
Those are the rules. If you call yourself christian you should agree with them.

ahem i beg to differ.


thats not a rule, dear. the only rule to christianity is you believe that jesus is your savior.

am i right?

catholics are the rule people.

[malina]

< applauds pfp >

labels work for some people. it gives them comfort to belong to a group. that's ok if it makes you happy. beliefs are too personal for me to give them a label. they're my own. i think it's very difficult to find two people who believe in exactly the same thing for the same reason.

if jesus were alive today, he'd be shocked that some religions dare use his name or the cross with his name on it as they have nothing to do with what he was trying to accomplish.

[AllegroNg]

<~~ applauding pfp and malinda

Being agnostic can be really depressing. Like Ze's atheist game. What's definite is that we are here now in this life. We cannot know for sure what's next. Only hope.

[JesusTitties]

all this talk about me is making me horny
talk about my titties more

[malina]

show them first!

[priceyfatprude]

Hello JesusTitties, I saw 4 pierced nipples last night. I even pulled on a nip ring.

Do you have pierced nipples? I don't.

[malina]

did you have to be so crude?? now you scared him away! ( JT must be bashful ... ) :(

[fodder]

(i cant tell if you guys are provoking him because you think he's charming and funny or are making fun of him in a roundabout way)

[malina]

i'm not sure either...

[fodder]

oh ok keep up the good work

[priceyfatprude]

I like JT. My post was 100% serious.

[fodder]

nod

[malina]

http://badger.ussu.info/images/photos/Cheerleader.jpg

yayyy! JT's back :D

[fodder]

http://www.koolmagicinc.com/images/kool2.gif

[priceyfatprude]

http://www.humorweb.net/pictures/0984.jpg

[malina]

ouch!

[zenbabe]

Originally posted by malina
did you have to be so crude?? now you scared him away! ( JT must be bashful ... ) :(


BUWAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHHAHHAHHHAHAHHA!!!





p.s. I am going to become a frisbitirian...once I die, my soul will end up on the roof and never come down..........

[azur]

agentsmith wrote: thats not a rule, dear. the only rule to christianity is you believe that jesus is your savior.
catholics are the rule people.

Sure, you right: I meant catholics.
But for this priest it worked like this (if he was feeling catholic of course). So God only knows where is he now...
It could be that his hell was the prison. It could be that in the last days of his life he did something that opened him the way to heaven.
Anyway I don't believe in all those stories.
I just think that peple shouldn't be killed in prison like that. No matter what have they done.

[zenbabe]

I hope they raped the shite out of him...

[beckstra]

I feel like I started something. But if need be, I'm willing to forgo letting things move on and taking up whatever soapbox I may be on.

Anyway, here's my $0.02 on the dealio:

Christianity in general doesn't justify any behavior, good or bad. Christ himself didn't justify anyone while he was here, because if you look at the sin nature, there is just no room for justification on this earth, no matter how "good" someone is. We, in our fallibility try to justify ourselves and others in the ways it makes us feel better about ourselves.

Such as in the case of this priest and others who are bounced around from church to church in the Catholic church's mistaken belief that to seperate someone from their problems means to be cut off from any kind of temptation (I don't mean this in a judgemental way, I, too have tried this method of just cutting myself off from the "things I do not want to do"...it just doesn't work if you still want it bad enough). Seperation and seclusion don't work...unless you're Jesus (man I'm just wizzing past some people's heads right now...I realize there are a few of you out there who think I'm talking a crock of shit right now...). The only way to take care of these things are through careful accountability, counseling, and in some cases, medication.

That's the mess that laws will leave you with though. If I'm not mistaken, (and I'mnot (http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=ROM+8&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on)) Jesus death set us free from the law. Paul goes through all that in the book of Romans...and thus it's on us to realize we're stupid people who need help.

I'm not saying that what this priest did was okay by any means. In fact, I don't wish the nicest things on him either. I just know I screw up, too. Maybe not in the same way, but either way, we've both screwed up. Thus, we're both screwed. Unless he was actually screwed up the butt...then I'm the more sanctified one of this analogy. ;)

Luke 16:15
He [Jesus] said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight."

[malina]

Originally posted by beckstra
...I realize there are a few of you out there who think I'm talking a crock of shit right now...

no

( just because someone has a different view on something doesn't mean they're talking a crock of shit ) ;)

[zenbabe]

Everybody has a right to believe what they want and to speak out about those beliefs. I am not knocking anyone for feeling the way that they feel about things. All I am saying is that I hope he has to endure the pain and torment that he put all those children through for all eternity.

[trisherina]

Even if he does burn in Eternity, it won't give those children back their lives on Earth.

Divinely or otherwise, the universe is not required to provide us with justice. It's part of the package.

[malina]

Originally posted by trisherina
Even if he does burn in Eternity, it won't give those children back their lives on Earth.

Divinely or otherwise, the universe is not required to provide us with justice. It's part of the package.

the courts are required to provide us with justice though! don't let those bastards out to rape again and again...

[zenbabe]

I think justice was served!

[trisherina]

The courts are required to dole out our collective definition of justice in accordance with the law, the adequacy of which is arguable. I think that when it comes to crimes against persons, especially children, it is difficult to render the pain doled out to the perpetrator anywhere near equivalent to the pain experienced by the victim(s).

But it's worse not to try. I just caution people not to expect too much. Ultimately, whether you're Job or Leslie Mahaffy's mom, you gotta roll with the punches. The universe goes on with or without you.

[malina]

( i wasn't talking about rendering the pain doled out to the perpetrator equivalent to the pain experienced by the victim but about keeping the insane locked up to protect future victims )

[zenbabe]

Just kill them, they cost to much to keep in jail....

[trisherina]

(I know. I was.) ;)

[malina]

k :)

[trisherina]

We have this scumbag showing up in our local news regularly:

Protesters want law changed


CanWest News Service


Tuesday, August 12, 2003

About 20 people gathered Monday outside the Grierson Centre to protest the possible early release of serial child molester Karl Toft, and to call on Ottawa to keep such sex offenders out of their communities.

Toft, who has admitted to assaulting 200 boys over a 35-year period, could be released from the downtown halfway house as early as September.

The former guard in a New Brunswick boys detention centre was sentenced to 13 years in custody in 1992.

"How does the community ever know that a person is cured," asked Peter Goldring, Canadian Alliance MP for Edmonton Centre-East.

"Does that person have one more charge to do, six more charges to do? How do we ever know? And how do we give the assurance for the community?"

The demonstration was one of a series held in cities across Canada.

Politicians have pushed for a temporary ban on releasing pedophiles. The proposed ban is named Holly's Law, after Holly Jones, the 10-year-old Toronto girl who was abducted and killed in May.

Protesters in Edmonton also called for the government to close down the Grierson halfway house and move its inmates elsewhere in the city or the province.

© Copyright 2003 Edmonton Journal

[zenbabe]

fvcker, sounds like a lynching soon....where do I sign up?