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[JesusTitties]

ill eat whatever the phuck i want to eat, ill drink whatever i want to drink and i dont need any fvcking advertisement telling me how i am supposed to look at my age for women
i dont give a rats ass about any of that shit, "hey, how to make your already incredibly abs 10 times better" - blow it out your ass Mens Health Magazine.
I phucking hate you, and the rest of the knock off mags like that, trying to make a living off of other peoples fvcking phobias. So what the geek from 12th grade cant get laid because he is fat and born with it because his parents were fat, thier parents were fat and so on. I know, why dont you dedicate an entire magazine, no, how about 20 magazines that press all the correct buttons of someone who wouldnt even have a complex if it werent for these magazines being existant. "how to tell if your man is cheating in 5 easy steps" - cosmo. fVCK YOU cosmo, what the fvck do you know about anything. Install fears in the minds of people and make sure they keep buying your bullshit magazines.
the next time i am shopping with my cart full of nutrigrain shit bars and carnation instant breakfasts, because you told me that if i didnt cut my meals back - i will never get laid or married or find a soulmate, and i see your magazine, ill be sure to wipe my ass with the front cover that night when im shitting out all of that fiber you made me buy.
fvck you all.

[malina]

good morning sunshine :)

[JesusTitties]

http://ads1.rodale.com/ads/mhbooks/homeworkoutbible/mh280_wkoutbible_2b.gif

is it? is it the fcking body i want? why dont you fcking tell me then what to eat and how to sleep and how to fvck. i know, tell me what i simply must do, because of course, that is the body i want.

[bealeblues]

is something bothering you JT?

[RuneT]

Amen JT. I fully agree. The perfection hysteria creates victims and the perfection they talk about isn't necessarily healthy. What I find funny is the designer clothes that fit only 20% of the population. Talk about bad marketing!
Happiness is more healthy than anything but the industry don’t care abut that because there isn’t a commercialized product related to it.

I wish I was less perfect so I could get really angry about this :p

[malina]

we all have free choice! you don't like it? don't buy it. don't look at it. simple. ;)

[priceyfatprude]

I agree w/JT.

Isaac Mizrahi has made a line for Target. Even though he is no skinny minnie himself, his line runs small. He makes no shirts that will fit over these bodacious tata's. And for that, I just might email him & call him a hypocrite.

It's sad, too, b/c I would've bought some of his things. They are classic & completely mix & matchable, my favorite thing about most of my clothes.

[surflugen]

I can't beleive that JT reads Mens Health Magazine. lol what a .... Just playing. Don't be bothered by those stereotypes being thrown at us. I could care less if my surfing wife can't fit into any of the Roxy cloths and wetsuits or if I don't have the abs that are supposidly going to make me look like I care about my looks. I do care about my looks as well as the rest of you, but what we shouldn't care about is if our perception of us caring matches that of the rest of the world. Being bothered by it is just as bad as giving in. The pushers don't have to exsist in your mind if you don't want them to.

[rapscalious rob]

Me too, also. I agree completely.

Look at some of the jünk they try to sell you in Maxim magazine. Who has the budget for this Shïte. Not I, said the cat.

About a year ago, I remember reading such a magazine, one of the ones aimed at women- and they had an interview with several women about sex. One of the questions was if you have an STD, should you tell your man about it? All of the women said no, reasoning that it isn’t necessary if you’re practicing “safe sex.” I wish I could remember more about what magazine this was or when this was. Damn.

[dinzdale]

Originally posted by priceyfatprude
these bodacious tata's. .

mmmmmm....bodacious tatas .....

[catbelly]

*blinking* Admiral JesusTitties, I salute you!

Y'know what I hate these days, is that "makeover" now seems to mean "plastic surgery." WTF??

What happened to a new haircut, or a different style of pants?

Or, god forbid, actually dealing with your mental ninja, aka insecurities?

Feh. It really pisses me off.

[malina]

if no one were watching / buying these shows / magazines, etc., they wouldn't be this popular... people watch / buy / gawk. then they complain about it.

i would think, if everyone who says "i don't like it" / "i don't agree" stopped participating, they'd soon be out of business and we wouldn't see stuff like this any more. ;)

[malina]

*high 5ing nyc* :D

[slurpeedemon]

All those magazines are evil. They only exist to make us feel bad enough about ourselves and our lives that we rush out to buy stuff.
I like Vanity Fair, though. Good music issue.

[catbelly]

Just for argument's sake, and getting away from the cosmo/maxim "you must be ______ to get a man/woman," is there any artistic merit in fashion design? Or furniture design, say?

[priceyfatprude]

Originally posted by catbelly
Just for argument's sake, and getting away from the cosmo/maxim "you must be ______ to get a man/woman," is there any artistic merit in fashion design? Or furniture design, say? Artistic merit, yes. Wearability in the real world, no.

Furniture, it depends on the lifestyle of the person looking at it.

[catbelly]

Whenever I see Karim Rashid's apartment (all white with yummy coloured furniture and accessories) I think, wow that looks so supah! - but I could never live like that because I'm a slob, I wear my shoes inside, I have a black cat that sheds all over, blah de blah.

*gulp* must admit I buy Vogue and other fashion rags occasionally. But it's for the articles, man!! The articles!!

Seriously... the body image deal is one of my pet issues, largely because *cue violins* when I was younger I was all out of whack with respect to what I looked like. Luckily I didn't end up in eating-disorder land. Anyway... apparently more young men are ending up with anorexia/bulimia these days, so I guess this problem is not the province of women anymore... I agree with NYC, it is interesting as times and mores change to hear the male POV on this.

[priceyfatprude]

Originally posted by catbelly
I wear my shoes inside :eek: This is just wrong. Wrong I tells ya!

[lapietra]

I grew up reading all that stuff... that explains a lot ;)
I stopped buying them years ago... tho' it *is* fun to get Vogue once in awhile and try out all the perfume samples :D

[catbelly]

pfp :)

we have hardwood, does that make it better?

LaLa I love your new avatar!

[rmr]

Originally posted by catbelly
Just for argument's sake, and getting away from the cosmo/maxim "you must be ______ to get a man/woman," is there any artistic merit in fashion design? Or furniture design, say?

I don't read those crap magazines at all. I'm pretty happy with who i am and I don't need them to try and beat that out of me.

BUT i'm going to have to say that YES there is absolutely artistic merit in fashion and furniture design. I'm not sure if i'm not reading this right, but i'm kind of surprised that would even be up for debate. I think that both not only express the designer/artists tastes and creativity but also the person that wears and purchases these items.

I love fashion and at the risk of having things thrown at me (ducking) take great pride in what i wear. I believe it's a reflection of who I am and what I wear reflects how I want the outside world to see me. I feel the same way about my home. I agonize about every piece of furniture I purchase. Every wall I paint, etc. etc…… I believe my home is my oasis and I want it to reflect my tastes and how I feel.

Does that mean I have to be a size 0 and only buy designer crap…..no…it’s about being an individual and picking and choosing from what’s out there. I’ll tell you, I would DIE without fashion and design……I love it!

[bealeblues]

originally posted by rimmer
I’ll tell you, I would DIE without fashion and design……I love it!

shallow.

:p

[malina]

one word: barmaids :D

[rmr]

Beale......FARK YOU I WAS TALKING

Malina.......????

[bealeblues]

rimmer: 2 words:

YOU OK?


malina:

send the bar lovelies my way

[malina]

Originally posted by rmr
Beale......FARK YOU I WAS TALKING

Malina.......????

i was commenting on beale's comment.. ;)

[catbelly]

Originally posted by rmr rmr banana fanna fo fmr
I don't read those crap magazines at all. I'm pretty happy with who i am and I don't need them to try and beat that out of me.

BUT i'm going to have to say that YES there is absolutely artistic merit in fashion and furniture design. I'm not sure if i'm not reading this right, but i'm kind of surprised that would even be up for debate. I think that both not only express the designer/artists tastes and creativity but also the person that wears and purchases these items.

I love fashion and at the risk of having things thrown at me (ducking) take great pride in what i wear. I believe it's a reflection of who I am and what I wear reflects how I want the outside world to see me. I feel the same way about my home. I agonize about every piece of furniture I purchase. Every wall I paint, etc. etc…… I believe my home is my oasis and I want it to reflect my tastes and how I feel.

Does that mean I have to be a size 0 and only buy designer crap…..no…it’s about being an individual and picking and choosing from what’s out there. I’ll tell you, I would DIE without fashion and design……I love it!

Not really looking for a debate, just wanting people's opinions. I don't think there's a right or wrong.

That said... :)

Mizrahi is not calling me with his personal info on what the fashion trends are, so I get my fashion info from fashion magazines (both home and personal). Where do you get your info from if not from these magazines that you're writing off as "crap" or TV shows that are basically video versions of magazines?

Again, I'm not talking about magazines like Cosmo/Maxim.

[rmr]

i stopped reading cosmo, glamour, etc. when i was about 20. that's what i refer to as crap. i think once you've had decent sex you find those mags rather boring. I read them in high school wanting to know every detail about the dirty deed. also, i found there clothes a little too slutty for my liking. so that garbage was easy to give up and never had a big influence on me.

i've always had the same taste in clothes.....classic/preppy. it's the same with the way i like to wear my hair and make-up.....i know borning. so by now i know the stores that carry clothes that work for me. also, i have a few favorite celebs....i admit it and i love to look at what they are wearing. And I know here it comes.....i read W and Allure. W still has a lot of that 'herion chic shite", but I find Allure more practical. Also, Town and Country has some of the best fashion spreads I've seen. I love that magazine for the ideas it provides BUT i mean, come on, I'll never be able to afford that crap, so i just use it for ideas.

I don't really have an issue with models though. that's what they do and that's fine. so what if they are thinner then me? why should that bother me? if that bothered me then i guess i should be pretty much bummed out all the time because you see people that are thinner and better looking then you by just walking down the street.

Also, I wanted to point out that I'm sure Izacc Mizzarhi's (target) clothes run quite small, but keep in mind that when you buy a cheaper piece of clothing it's going to run smaller for obvious reasons. It's a shame, but in most cases you have to spend more in order to get a more genrous cut of clothing.

[catbelly]

Hee rmr !! Yup I learned most of my facts of life (or life as I imagined it) from Glamour and Mademoiselle (Canadian crap, for those of you not familiar!). *Note to parents: letting your teenage daughter learn about sexuality from magazines is not a good idea.*

I think ideas are what it's about, eh? When it comes to design, etc.? Inspiration, colours and fabrics, shapes, things that move you. It must sound trivial to people who don't care about design, but I get you rmr... it's good stuff, and being interested in fashion does not necessarily mean a person is all about "does my ass look fat in this."

I am on the fence about the model-body-type thing. I have strong feelings both ways - I hate when people say they "hate skinny girls" or make statements like "real women have curves," because IMO we don't need to put down women who look one way to appease women who look another way. We're all women and all of us are fan-fvcking-tastic! To suggest that a woman is less of a woman because of her appearance is pure BS.

On the other hand, I really feel strongly that in the mainstream media the definition of what is acceptable as female beauty (and, increasingly, male beauty, as pointed out by Admiral JesusTitties) is VERY narrow. To me that is very negative, because these definitions dictate who our role models are, and role models are important. They become part of our psyche, and they are yardsticks that our subconsciouses measure our worth by. To make the beauty standard so narrow means that very few people actually meet the standard.

If you're a cynic, that is the goal of our consumerist culture ... as a culture we are willing to spend money on trying to reach the standard, so making the standard impossible is a fabulous moneymaker. Feh.

[rmr]

Ok, but who is responsible for making the beauty standard so narrow? We the people that buy into that crap are at just as much fault as the media. I agree with everything you've said and have struggled with the same exact issues in my life. I'm not going to play some game here and say "i've always felt confident about myself" because that just wouldn't be true and it's still a day to day process for me...........

BUT....and it's a big but (wink, wink) I get so tired of people always blaming everything else but themselves because they are not happy in life. That they have issues because (fill in the blank). We all have that option, but at some point it's our responsibility to take a good hard look at ourselves and say "hey, I'm not all these things, but I'm pretty damn happy with who i am" of better yet, "i feel great because I'm being the best person i can be".

I have been guilty of not taking responsibility for myself my whole life and I've finally gotten to a point where I can say "oh well, get over it and live the best life you can. stop blaming others and comparing yourself to others because that's just not how it is or going to be". I think we're all a little to preoccupied with this "contest" of who's the prettiest, the thinnest, the most wealthy etc., etc., and we end up wasting our lives on that crap.

I mean should we blame authors for creating these wonderful fictional tales that could never compare with the regular Joes life? Should be blame architects that design these gorgeous homes that most of us will never be able to afford? What about really intelligent people, man we should really be pissed at them for getting into the best colleges and getting the best jobs? There is always going to be something out there that is not within our reach, but for me I kind of enjoy it. I find it inspiring and motivating. I mean isn't that what most of us get up everyday for to hopefully better and improve ourselves and without these "exaggerated" ideals then what would we strive for?

[catbelly]

Yeah, I agree - it's like a huge chicken-egg loop of nuttiness. Things are the way they are because we (as a group) accept it.

I am also with you on people playing the blame game instead of doing something about their own backyard. I think it's worth analyzing, though - it's not so much about finding someone else to blame, for me it's about understanding why things are the way they are. For my own constant renovation of my psyche, I need to know *why* something is wrong so I can change myself... it's not enough to just say, "thinking spiders are scary is bad" - I have to know, "why are they not scary?"

I see your point about goals and striving to improve - I am sensitive when we are talking about our bodies and appearances, though. I can go back to school and become a lawyer, I can't go somewhere and become tall and blonde. You know? For me, that is not inspiring or motivating, it's depressing. The idea that I may not ever be a lawyer is OK because I feel accepted in society in the profession I'm in. The idea that I will never be tall and blonde is OK for me because I accept myself... but what if I don't accept myself? Even if I take full ownership of my feelings and I'm not blaming anyone, I've bought into a mindset that will make me feel inadequate for the rest of my life.

[rmr]

I hear what you're saying, but let me toss this one out there......there are plenty of people out there that cannot just go to school and become a lawyer. that statement is as much of a dream to them as it is for you or me to be 6 feet, 110 llbs and blonde (although i did fix that non-blonde thing i had going on ;)

I like what you said earlier though about how you don't like when people make statements like "god i hate her because she's so skinny".....I mean who's the shallow one there? I learned an amazing lesson when I was quite young. I was working for Nordstrom and when I met the manager I almost puked. I mean she was AMAZING looking. She looked like the person I would have picked myself out to be. I instantly hated her. I mean detested her.....slowly I allowed myself to get to know her a bit and once I did I found her to be one of the nicest people I had ever met. From that point on, I decided to not take my "body image issues" out on anyone. It's just not a fair thing to do.

To this day though.....i can't take a god damn compliment, but oh well.......baby steps, baby steps................but i don't blame the media for that......I blame that skinny, tiny, blonde bitch that stole my boyfriend freshmen year in high school :)

[zenbabe]

I still want THIS (http://www.get-erotic.co.uk/sex-shop-products/girls-toys/tongue-2.htm) and it is ALWAYS advertised in the back of Cosmo......

[rmr]

LOL.....when's your birthday zen?????????

[catbelly]

True, miz rmr, some dreams are not realizable... you're right, some people may not be able to go back to school and become lawyers ... but "can't" is a strong word. And, yup, I know... I may be splitting hairs at this point. But, what about the ideas you talked about in your post, that there are always things that we strive for and that are not in our reach? I think the things you were referring to were things that might not be *likely* to achieve or that might be *very hard* to reach - e.g. the financial outlay necessary to go to law school, the horrid amount of work that would be necessary to succeed, the luck involved when taking the exams.

IMO the "dream factor" is successful and a part of our human life because it *is* possible, or perhaps possible to imagine, even if it's unlikely to really happen.

The area where I have a problem is where the goal is genetically, physically impossible. No matter how hard I want it, no matter how much money I have to spend, no matter how hard I try - I am not going to be able to transform myself into a tall white person who could then get surgery for boobs and bleach for blonde. Michael Jackson comes to mind! This type of change is not just unlikely, it's impossible.

I dunno. I do see your point, for instance not being intelligent in the way that's required to do well academically, that's a concrete barrier to being a lawyer/engineer/whatever. In that case I guess we're in the arena of talking how shitty it is that professions/academics are important to status, rather than this discussion about appearance being important to status. :)

Cans of worms for sale!!

[catbelly]

Aw Peg why would you say that it's not going to win you any love?? :)

I don't think I've heard any accounts of the modelling life that differ from yours. I am happy to hear that you got out of it intact!!

[zenbabe]

I start my Belly dancing class tonight, who want' to come with me?

[rmr]

Love lost? More like excellent points just goes to show you life is but smoke and mirrors.

and zen i just ate me a huge steak so my belly is ready for dancing!!!!

[fodder]

Fat people should die because they are all lazy and greedy.

[rmr]

Fodder you sure have been missed :)

[priceyfatprude]

Originally posted by rimmie:
Also, I wanted to point out that I'm sure Izacc Mizzarhi's (target) clothes run quite small, but keep in mind that when you buy a cheaper piece of clothing it's going to run smaller for obvious reasons. It's a shame, but in most cases you have to spend more in order to get a more genrous cut of clothing.That's great, but he'd sell more clothes if he'd make them bigger. The average size of a woman in America gets bigger every year. Oh well, whatcha gonna do? I find cute stuff elsewhere, just sayin'.Originally posted by kittentummy:
I am on the fence about the model-body-type thing. I have strong feelings both ways - I hate when people say they "hate skinny girls" or make statements like "real women have curves," because IMO we don't need to put down women who look one way to appease women who look another way. We're all women and all of us are fan-fvcking-tastic! To suggest that a woman is less of a woman because of her appearance is pure BS.I agree w/this. All women are beautiful, now if only they could convince themselves of that.

[JesusTitties]

you can toss out every cliche in the book, from its whats inside that counts, to its silly to be judged by appearance, to do your own thing thats the key to happiness.

thats great on a hallmark card, but will not stop people from feeling unattractive when seeing these magazines.

whether they want to purchase them or not, if you dont buy them at the store you will pass a billboard or bus stop with the same suggestions.

on issues like this, it is important not to stray away from the industrial statement, that the correct buttons are being pushed to manipulate the public into thinking they are ugly.

where you stand on a personal note on this issue, is irrelevant.

[JesusTitties]

thats great.

just remember.

what goes up, must come down. and people with glass houses shouldnt throw stones.

[rmr]

Yeah and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush

[malina]

Originally posted by JesusTitties
where you stand on a personal note on this issue, is irrelevant.

i completely disagree - where you stand on a personal note on this issue is everything! looks do count though, you just can't pretend that they don't.. ( i think you're right on that one )