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zenbabe 01-12-2004 09:45 PM

PETA
 
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

Now don't get me wrong folks, I love animals, just about anything furry has my heart, but I think these cats take it just a bit to far.

My husband works for the Petco corporate offices and I guess they are staging a candle light vigil there tonight..... Does anybody else think this group should just go eat a can of worms?

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PETA Protests Military Survival Training

By Brian Carnell

Monday, August 16, 1999



One of the major missions of the U.S. military is to ensure its soldiers have the skills needed to not only fight effectively but also to train them to survive the myriad of conditions they might face in armed combat. As part of that mission, the military provides training to soldiers on how to survive if they are trapped behind enemy lines.

Since eating is a big part of surviving and a stranded soldier cannot just walk into an Iraqi restaurant and order takeout, the military teaches soldiers how to kill and cook animals.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is having a fit because the Air Force buys hundreds of rabbits and uses them to show soldiers how to bludgeon the animal with a club and then properly prepare them. Soldiers are also taught how to prepare snakes, turtles and chickens.

According to PETA, "It is pointless for a soldier to practice killing small domestic mammals and birds, considering that in a true survival experience, few would have trouble killing such an animal if survival depended on it." Well at least PETA's not suggesting that soldiers should carry Linda McCartney t-shirts saying "Go Veggie" on them if in a survival situation, but simply assuming that all soldiers would know how to kill animals for food is the sort of assumption that gets people killed when they are finally faced with emergency situations.

In other news, PETA announced in a press release that MediaCom Inc. had cancelled the billboard space that PETA purchased in Regina and Calgary, Canada to run its ad linking meat eating to impotence. The ad features a woman in a bikini next to the message, "I threw a party but the cattlemen couldn't come." According to PETA, MediaCom informed the animal rights group that it received so many calls from "angry residents and women's groups" that it was yanking the ads. PETA said its lawyers are studying whether or not PETA might have a legal remedy against MediaCom for breach of contract.

Deus751 01-12-2004 10:32 PM

hmmm...
 
well lets see. i love cats but thats about it. i am against animal cruelty. but i am pro-meat of anykind besides human. now i do not know if the airforce eats the animals they slaughter to further show how to survive. but if they do, more power to them. Peta i think went too far on that note.

zenbabe 01-12-2004 11:40 PM

I am sure they make stew out of the rabbit meat or something....gotta feed the troops!!

Frieda 01-13-2004 06:29 PM

if you have the courage to take care of an animal for months or years and then club it and eat it, go ahead.

i am very aware of the fact that meat does not come from the supermarket, but from living creatures, but i also need it to survive, my body was built for it and i feel sick if i only eat vegetables, i've tried that.

i do not agree with rabbit clubbing for practicing survival. what if police officers would aim at real people to practice gun shooting??

nope, don't agree.

SpecialK 01-21-2004 05:19 AM

PETA always goes too far. Not too long ago, they were passing out flyers and pamphlets to middle school students after school saying things about not eating chickens, they're our friends, and showing pictures of puppies saying, "you wouldnt want to eat him would you" and stuff like that. Parents were appalled that they would come onto school property like that, and have no consideration for the parents who are capable of raising their own kids. PETA evidently, asked no permission to be on the grounds.

xfox 01-25-2004 05:25 PM

Zenbabe's right. That's why they call it the "food chain". Frieda's comments also reflect my sentiments. I had horses in my day, but I'd never eat horsemeat, and I'm not fond of venison.

It's all cultural. In Aisa they make good use of a source of protein, I'd NEVER consider: bugs. Auwgghhhh!

Animals have no conception of death. If we are humane in sacrificing them for our benefit and treat them well while they're alive, I can't see any problem with the current program.

I just bought some chicken at a local co-op and I'll let y'all know if the "free range" tastes any different.

priceyfatprude 01-25-2004 07:21 PM

My dog may look like a frankfurter, but no one is eating him.

bwallach 02-20-2004 08:33 PM

hummm
 
For someone whos into peta . I'm ssurrprised your husband is worken for petco. They've been in alot of trouble in calf with dead animals and sick animals.

the website is something like petnodot something . Can't remember off hand.

http://www.petcosucks.com/

zenbabe 02-20-2004 10:31 PM

there issues with animals at petco are insane, any time you have live animals around some are going to die......they might as well go after the animal shelters too while they are at it. Petco is an entire company devoted to the good health of animals, peta activists are straight up whacko!

They are considered extremists by the government....if any of those bastards threw red paint on me for wearing a leather coat, I would beat them to a bloody pulp....

priceyfatprude 02-20-2004 11:50 PM

PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals here in the Midwest

They put up some billboards here saying milking cows was abuse. NOT milking the cows can kill them, dumbasses.

bwallach 02-21-2004 12:08 AM

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there issues with animals at petco are insane, any time you have live animals around some are going to die......they might as well go after the animal shelters too while they are at it. Petco is an entire company devoted to the good health of animals, peta activists are straight up whacko!

They are considered extremists by the government....if any of those bastards threw red paint on me for wearing a leather coat, I would beat them to a bloody pulp....

Sorry to get your hate going but animals in general have been used and abused for many years. tho I don't piticly condone petas action I am one for animal rights. The crap people put animals through are unfounded. In ever war there are radicals . some feel this is the only way to get the point across. I've never herd of any dead animals coming out of shelter unless theyw ere brought in that way. watch the shows on animal planet and tell me thats all fake.

do you really think animals farms are normal? puppy mills are normal . How animals are treated isn't right. tho I would never see myself throwing red pant on you or anybody but there are people that feel its nesscery to get the point across.


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They are considered extremiests by the government
you trust what the goveremnt always tells you? Its a post 9-11 world anything you say can be called extremiest.

nycwriters 02-21-2004 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by bwallach
In ever war there are radicals . some feel this is the only way to get the point across.
Yes and this kind of thinking was what propelled Mohammed Atta and his cohorts to fly planes into two tall towers in New York one sunny September morning.

And this kind of thinking needs to be stopped, no matter what the cause. There are ALWAYS other ways and means to get the point across. Terrorism is not the answer.

bwallach 02-21-2004 02:52 AM

a thought
 
guess it all depends on what you mean by terror. Also what you believe to be the truth. I believe there many un answered questions to 9-11. that may never be told.

I'm not coondoning petas actions . its not what i would do . I'm for a more peacefull route. I think animals do have rights tho and they've been abused for many years.

masterofNone 02-21-2004 03:15 AM

animals don't have rights. rights is a much misused word. while we should avoid cruelty to animals because it is the right thing to do, animals cannot have rights. what rights do animals have in the wild? rights are a human social pact and they're nowhere so beautifully voiced than in our Bill of Rights. the framers put a lot of thought into that document. not too many, but all of the essentials. they didn't put animals in there anywhere because humans don't have a social pact with animals. except for not eating pork and holy cows, i'd be hard pressed to cite an example of any of the world's religions declaring mistreatment of animals as a sin. so, while i'm all for reasonable kindness to animals... let's not get kooky.

bwallach 02-21-2004 04:31 AM

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animals don't have rights. rights is a much misused word. while we should avoid cruelty to animals because it is the right thing to do, animals cannot have rights. what rights do animals have in the wild? rights are a human social pact and they're nowhere so beautifully voiced than in our Bill of Rights. the framers put a lot of thought into that document. not too many, but all of the essentials. they didn't put animals in there anywhere because humans don't have a social pact with animals. except for not eating pork and holy cows, i'd be hard pressed to cite an example of any of the world's religions declaring mistreatment of animals as a sin. so, while i'm all for reasonable kindness to animals... let's not get kooky.
Animalls do havea right to live. Like any other thing.

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they didn't put animals in there anywhere because humans don't have a social pact
In indoneiisia. theres a pact with cows. they are concidered relgious as all animals over there are. you can't kill a cow over there without a repercusion. there are doggs every where.

nycwriters 02-21-2004 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by bwallach
Animalls do havea right to live. Like any other thing.



In indoneiisia. theres a pact with cows. they are concidered relgious as all animals over there are. you can't kill a cow over there without a repercusion. there are doggs every where.

I don't mean this to detract from the discussion, but are you purposefully spelling like this to hide identity? I mean I could buy the odd word misspelled, but this above seems like someone typed something out and then went back and purposefully changed and added letters to create misspellings in almost every word.

Again, just curious as to why.

Now back to your regularly scheduled debate.

On that: Terror is terror. Period. There are no gray areas. Any effort to "shock and awe" with violence is terror ... whatever point there is to prove. I cannot, myself, condone it. Ever.

masterofNone 02-21-2004 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by bwallach
Animalls do havea right to live. Like any other thing.
if animals have a right to life then we are in big trouble. let's set aside that a significant portion of protein come from meat, let's set aside that we swat flies and trap mice. i mean, a right to life for animals would flood our courts with criminal charges on an epic scale. let's just look at the wild. do lions recognize the right to life of the water buffalo or the gazzelle? do dogs grant rabbits their right to life? i'll say it again. animals have no rights. what would you do if your house were suddenly infested with rats? would you try to live in peaceful coexistance with them or would you call an exterminator? even the most idealistic PETA fan would, sooner or later, kill the filthy little ****ers. i am for the ethical treatment of animals, but it needs to be said clearly. animals don't have rights.

nycwriters 02-21-2004 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by masterofNone
what would you do if your house were suddenly infested with rats? would you try to live in peaceful coexistance with them or would you call an exterminator? even the most idealistic PETA fan would, sooner or later, kill the filthy little ****ers.
Pssst, MoN, there are no-kill traps available. I used them to get rid of Mickey when I first moved in here.

And I'm all for more humane means (ie. no animals) for testing makeup and other things along those lines ... but when it comes to science and medicine, looking for a cure to some henious diseases (like cancer), I think we need to use some animals as test subjects to find cures.

AbnormalDonkey 02-21-2004 02:28 PM

I agree that peta is out of control. I saw some cool stickers on a site once, so I ordered them...And they were from peta, now I get like newsletters and they have little trading cards with people like "sickly sally" or "tubby tammy" about how chicken is of the devil...I'm big on animal rights, but I'm not for blowing everything up like it is.

About petco though, they are by far the worst pet store I've ever been to/heard of. They do not train their employees, I know many people who applied for jobs there, and once they got hired...They didn't have ANY formal training, and they don't know jack about the animals they are selling or how to take care of them. They sell live feeders, they don't seperate their sexes, most of the small pets I've seen there have wounds and serious medical problems. I've never gotten one from there, but people that I know who did get pets from there have spent an overwelming amout of money on vet bills and trying to save the poor animals lives. I agree that all animals have the right to life, and petco defiently doesn't see that. They only care about the money, and you can't say that's not true. If they actually cared about the animals why don't they listen to the letters they get, or the care sheets sent to them? I understand some chains such as petsmart have a few crappy stores, but it's different when more petco stores than not are as horrible as they are. You can't argue that they're fine, and that animals sometimes die. Yes sometimes animals die, but in petco they die all the time! Notice all of the lawsuits that have been up agains them? There has to be some hinkling of truth in those...You can't say that millions of people just wanted to complain about a store for no reason, that's stupid. Maybe if Petco got their act together and actually showed that they care about the animals, like some of you say they do...Then so many people wouldn't be so pissed at them.

masterofNone 02-21-2004 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by nycwriters
Pssst, MoN, there are no-kill traps available. I used them to get rid of Mickey when I first moved in here.
yeah, i know. and i've used them. and, y'know, if i had a couple of mice that's the way to go. but i've also had a major infestation once when i was living on a farm in the eighties. herds of 'em scuttling across the kitchen floor. the live traps didn't work because they'd just figure out how to get back into the warm house. i learned my lesson then. sometimes you have to throw out the buddhist priniciples and just start killin the little ****ers. it sucked cuz they were cute as individuals but en masse they were vermin. so, yeah, i'm a fan of being humane up until the point where that idealism becomes a health hazard. then out come the spring traps.


they make hideous noises in the middle of the night. SNAP! wriggle wriggle wriggle. peanut butter works better than cheese.

priceyfatprude 02-21-2004 05:56 PM

My dog has every right to be exactly what he is: my beloved spoiled rotten pet.

Cows have every right...to be my dinner, my coat, my shoes, my belt, my purse, etc. And to produce milk for my coffee, butter for my bread & pasta, cheeses for my discretionery use, ice cream, custard, yogurt, etc.

Why do I feel this way? I don't know. I just do.

Abnormal Donkey, welcome to the boards. :) Wanna drinky poo?

I've never been to a Petco, or a Petsmart, but I would never buy a pup from a store anyway. I'd like to see the mother & the other pups, make sure he will grow up healthy, etc.

Mice have been terrorizing me since 2000 in this apt. The building itself is over 150 years old, a historical landmark in this city, etc. When I was looking @ the place, the landlady said, "It's an old building, mice get in." So I can't say I wasn't warned, but they somehow got above my ceiling tiles!!! Every winter I put more poison down. I'd like to think that I didn't kill them & they ran free, far away, to big green fields full of cheese. But I know they ate the poison & went to the basement to die. *shrugs*

MoN, your story reminds me of my step grandfather. He had his wood shop out in the garage, and a little mouse would come visit him. He named the mouse Mickey & started FEEDING HIM!!!!! :eek: And then was surprised when he brought back friends, relatives, neighbors, etc.

So riddle me this: what do y'all think of deer hunting season?

zenbabe 02-21-2004 06:59 PM

I wanted to get a chinchilla I saw at petco...the retail stores by me sound smaller than the ones I hear people talk about....the one by me has some cats up for adoption, kind of like the pound.......and guinee pigs, some birds, fish and hampsters..it seemed pretty clean, but yeah...the employees are a little off..have to agree with you there....my husband works for the corporate offices...everyone brings their pets to work...but he hates his job cause the executives all walk around like they invented a cure for cancer or something....wierd people.....

Audreyvgs 03-09-2004 02:38 AM

Don't all executives have that same attitude?

I saw Bette Midler on Letterman tonight and she said she loved Peta, cause they made the most delicious little bread pocket thingys.

Willow Sylph 03-10-2004 04:47 PM

I've been a vegetarian since I was 15 - A lot of years now. The main reason I became a vegetarian was for ethical reasons. At that time I was quite influenced/inspired by PETA. Although I agree with their fundamental cause, I don't agree with how extreme they are. But alas...
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Originally posted by bwallach
In every war there are radicals. Some feel this is the only way to get the point across.
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~Willow

Avalon 03-26-2004 09:11 PM

I am not going to get into the discussion of whether animals have rights or not. I will say that my belief is about the same place as Willow's.
I did find this today tho..and I had to laugh..so I am sharing it.

fodder 04-04-2004 04:23 PM

in almost all special interest groups it's like 80% radicals and 20% rationals. when that many ppl get together and reinforce e/o and gain power by attacking other companies they get outa control

remember the NRA attacking Dell? that was ridiculous
luckily the rational (well, rational of the radicals - they still belong to NRA) ppl stepped in and saved the day

Smartypants 04-04-2004 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by bwallach
In indoneiisia. theres a pact with cows. they are concidered relgious as all animals over there are.
BW: Sorry to a be a language Nazi, but I think you mean that the cows are "sacred." If the cows were religious, I am sure they would be considerably less docile than they are. They would probably be attacking Jews or blowing up mosques, or sending their calves to flight school so they could use commercial jets as missiles. The world is a dangerous enough place with religious people; let's hope cow's don't turn to god. It would be sure to spell the end of civilization. (And just imagine how it would complicate the subject of animal rights!)

(And BTW, this pact: I didn't know cows could use pens! Did these cows sign the agreement themselves, or did a PETA lawyer do it for them?)

Avalon 04-04-2004 06:52 PM

I agree with the basic original premise of PETA. They lost me when they started stalking me and sending me literature that left me so upset that my husband offered to pay me to not belong or read their stuff anymore.

My feelings are this..a basic respect for living things,be it 2 legged or 4. Anything else, I refuse to discuss or inflict on others, period. Just post a warning..and I will stay away..that is a promise.

fodder 04-06-2004 09:54 AM

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My feelings are this..a basic respect for living things,be it 2 legged or 4. Anything else, I refuse to discuss or inflict on others, period. Just post a warning..and I will stay away..that is a promise. [/b]
you need to clean up this post, i can hardly understand what you're saying

Avalon 04-06-2004 10:06 AM

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Originally posted by fodder
you need to clean up this post, i can hardly understand what you're saying
Okay fodder..since you are having a problem .
.basic repect for life....
I will not, as in refuse to discuss, my feelings on the subject, any further. I will not inflict my feelings on others.

post a warning..as in I AM POSTING SOMETHING OFFENSIVE TO ANIMAL LOVERS
I will stay away from the post..pretty self explanatory

clean enough now?

this was before ill fated commercial you posted.

fodder 04-06-2004 10:24 AM

it's clean, you just have pretty poor sentence structure

it should read cleanly on a webboard

(but your point is duly noted, ma'am)

Avalon 04-06-2004 10:30 AM

chalk up the "poor structure" to being p'ss'd off. Why not just ignore me fodder? I really don't mind.

Edited to add: Infact, I insist.

fodder 04-06-2004 12:07 PM

prehaps we could be grate frenz if we only met halfway

edit to add: lighten up, it's a msgboard

Willow Sylph 04-06-2004 05:02 PM

FODDER - For the love of Benji, cool it!!!!! Can't we all be friends?! :(

zenbabe 04-12-2004 02:22 AM

mmmmmmmmmm..bunny rabbit was GOOD!! Except for all those stupid bones........................

esjessi 04-13-2004 06:26 PM

PETA goes too far; they insult me/give me, as a vegetarian, a bad name. But I don't understand the people who show no compassion towards animals.

bwallach 04-25-2004 02:28 AM

I really can't believe this thread went this far. Ia gree with the above statement. Why not show some compassion towards animals. ....

zenbabe 04-25-2004 03:03 AM

believe me people...anything furry has my heart (and that includes my husband) but there is this little thing called the food chain that we happen to be on top of unless we are swimming in the ocean or hiking in the woods..........so get over it.......

btw..there is nothing wrong with being a vegitarian..do what you have to do, we all have requirments that need to be met....but I for one am a carnivore and will always be a carnivore..otherwise I would probably die. And meat tastes to damn good to give up.

priceyfatprude 04-25-2004 07:17 AM

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Originally posted by priceyfatprude
So riddle me this: what do y'all think of deer hunting season?

zenbabe 04-25-2004 06:19 PM

I think if they actually eat the meat then it is ok, but if they are just killing for sport, that is so not ok.


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