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craig johnston 06-02-2007 01:47 PM

What is Soul?
A soul is somethin' deep inside

But a soul is a somethin' that you can't hide

What is soul?



brightpearl 06-02-2007 02:45 PM

I was just pondering that this morning, and this is what came to me:

What is the difference, where is the boundary between the voice and the song?

zenbabe 06-02-2007 05:11 PM

I heard it weighs about a pound.

Jack Flanders 06-03-2007 01:21 AM

A soul is what passes from your loved one, family or friend and who then lives in you.

You don't hide it - you live it, and love it and pass it on to your loved ones, family or friends and hopefully
, they continue to pass the soul.

craig johnston 06-03-2007 08:54 AM

why do we have to hide it then?


Veruki 06-03-2007 10:42 AM

we hide it because it's our safe spot for those extra secret things.

craig johnston 06-03-2007 11:49 AM

so it's a bit like the bottom of the sock drawer then?


brightpearl 06-03-2007 12:31 PM

We think we need to hide it because we imagine ours is different from everyone else's.

AllegroNg 06-03-2007 01:44 PM


It's our center. It's what makes us who we are.

It might weigh around 21 grams.

It's either given to us by some almighty being.

Or.. the soul is just hormones and influence.

Avalon 06-03-2007 01:47 PM

I don't think everyone hides their soul; I know several people who are beautiful souls..they shine from the inside out. I know a few kids who are 'old souls'; it is evident the second you meet them. Most people seem unaware of theirs...then, there are those few people we all seem to have run across somewhere along the line, who have no soul to hide.

were we supposed to discuss soul music or the human soul? Can you have one without the other?
hmmmmm :p

craig johnston 06-03-2007 02:07 PM

soul music and human soul inextricably intertwined, i
think we can agree.


but do you really believe there are people with no soul?
and how can it weigh anything?
could you expand on the hormones and influence idea

Tunesmith 06-03-2007 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by zenbabe (Post 346759)
I heard it weighs about a pound.

Here you go, zenbabe. :)

Tunesmith 06-03-2007 06:21 PM

Assuming there is a soul and disregarding what happens to the soul after death, when is the precise moment that the soul leaves the body? Is it at the brink of death, when the eyes close and the body begins to shut down? For a couple of moments after death, your cells still function. They can't communicate with each other, due to the lack of a functioning nervous system, but they're still alive, which is why post-mortem organ transplants are possible.

I think most belief systems agree on the fact that the soul doesn't remain with the body after death. But what about people in vegetative states? Are their souls comatose?

Is it possible that the soul is just the explanation for the self-awareness of the mind? There are physical locations in the brain that are designed for self-monitering and behavioral homeostasis, but the mind is such an intangible thing that maybe we need a spiritual representation for it.

Just some thoughts. I need to meditate on this. :rolleyes:

Stephi_B 06-04-2007 06:42 AM

OK, that might sound a bit unromantic ;), but I figure the soul as sum of all electromagnetic waves produced & (partially) emitted, it's unique for each individual, every living being - whether human, animal or plant - has one (of course an ant has then a more tiny, less structured soul than an human).

If that's so we really can't hide it. We leave parts of it wherever we are, whatever we touch. When people are close their souls overlap and give new patterns. When they like each other their souls are in resonance, if they dislike each other in dissonance. Kinda like in the figure of speech 'to be (not) on the same wavelength'.

Those we feel 'soulless' might possess a very dissonant field all on their own already, those with beautiful souls have a very harmonic one. How 'old souls' (and there are such indeed!) fit into that, dunno...

When a living being dies he/she/it stops emitting EM waves, but lives on in a way as he/she/it has contributed a lifelong to that big pool of waves, which is called world soul.

Eyes are often seen as window to the soul. That might be so, because they are close to the brain where radiation is intense.


brightpearl 06-04-2007 09:15 AM

^^I kinda like that.

The best metaphorical explanation I ever read, if I understand the definition of "soul" that we're kicking around here, is that our souls, our selves, whatever, are like jets in a fountain. They flow continually, and while they might appear separate, if you think about it you see that they all come from and return to the same pool of water. Nothing is created or lost in that sense. If you think of the soul as a kind of energy, that's nicely compatible with the laws of conservation of matter and energy. Being a heathen, but not wanting to cast my son into a pit of despair at the tender age of 3, this is how I explained things when he first asked if I would die someday, like the cat. Though it may appear painfully so, nothing is ever separated from you; nothing is lost.

Roger Penrose, whom you may have heard of in connection with Stephen Hawking, has been doing quite a bit of thinking about this. I'm really intrigued by his quantum/microtubule idea of consciousness, which may give some credence to the idea that consciousness can be stored somewhere other than the brain. He's got a couple of books on the subject, and there's an article about it here. I suppose, as Stephi B said, that some might not consider it very romantic, but I have a huge crush on Roger Penrose's quantum microtubules.

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