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grumpybumpas · 02-12-2009, 08:09 AM

Before we can build a new world order we must first destroy the present one and it's many God's.

Stephi_B · 02-12-2009, 08:48 AM

Hey, hey.... slow.... my gods and demons have no problem with new world orders

-- only I have if such a world order promises to be crap: totalitarian, fascho, theocratic, .... in short: inhumane

And destruction is usually not the best method of change (you destroy the good just like the bad of an old system!), transformation is better.

And now let's fukk off from lovely Frieda's forum .... or transform this thread into something freeform funkalicious to please the local goddess

Frieda · 02-12-2009, 11:24 AM

no, no-- i actually agree with grumpybumpas about the destruction of gods but this raises another question:

how do you destroy a god?

Stephi_B · 02-12-2009, 12:58 PM

There are real man-made gods -- money, status symbols, say -- whose worship can be destroyed (cp. that golden calf story in the ole book)

And then there are, mmh, how to call them, man-shaped gods, in which existent nature forces, immaterial qualities (beauty, vengence, love, ....) and/or the whole way the universe runs are personified, I think there you only can "destroy" the personification and no-good forms of worship (sacrifices which demand more than some symbolic drink / food / gift / song / dance items; say blood sacrifice or ritual self-torture -- physical or psychic).

Imo, not gods are a problem, but (some or some more of) the man-made orgs / rituals around them, just like money is not the problem, but mishandling it.

Frieda · 02-12-2009, 01:35 PM

well, money is also a problem in case you do not possess any and the outer world requires some on a regular basis. Schrödinger's principle does not work on money, because we know for sure that if we don't see it (like in the bank, or in stocks) it's definitely not there (or not worth anything anymore).

back to gods-- in Terry Pratchett's Discworld gods cease to exist or are limited in their powers when nobody believes in them anymore. but if you destroy the icons without destroying faith, story mystifying will take place and things become more sacred.

pretty complicated.

Stephi_B · 02-12-2009, 03:16 PM

Yeah, just stopping to belief in them was also my first thought, but that should only work if the gods were initially the product of people believing in them (so mere fantasy 100% rational people would say), so no absolute gods kinda which exist on and from their own. But only heaven knows if there's something like (an) absolute god(s)....

MoJoRiSin · 02-12-2009, 08:33 PM

mo's game

Hyakujo's Fox · 02-12-2009, 08:38 PM

The trickiest gods to kill are the ones you don't realise you believe in.

MoJoRiSin · 02-12-2009, 09:00 PM

i beg your pardon ?

MoJoRiSin · 02-13-2009, 07:06 PM

up until yesterday and today there were a few
that had no idea what that word mean t

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/te...h/12pogue.html

however, all that has changed

02-12-2009, 08:09 AM	#1
grumpybumpas monkey Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 41	(The new world order.) Before we can build a new world order we must first destroy the present one and it's many God's.

02-12-2009, 11:24 AM	#3
Frieda in limbo Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 19,503	no, no-- i actually agree with grumpybumpas about the destruction of gods but this raises another question: how do you destroy a god? __________________ zoek waar je wil, maar het zit in jezelf oh yeah

02-12-2009, 01:35 PM	#5
Frieda in limbo Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 19,503	well, money is also a problem in case you do not possess any and the outer world requires some on a regular basis. Schrödinger's principle does not work on money, because we know for sure that if we don't see it (like in the bank, or in stocks) it's definitely not there (or not worth anything anymore). back to gods-- in Terry Pratchett's Discworld gods cease to exist or are limited in their powers when nobody believes in them anymore. but if you destroy the icons without destroying faith, story mystifying will take place and things become more sacred. pretty complicated. __________________ zoek waar je wil, maar het zit in jezelf oh yeah

02-12-2009, 08:33 PM	#7
MoJoRiSin unbelievable Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,664	mo's game __________________ From stone tablets to html code, it's not lost on me.

02-12-2009, 09:00 PM	#9
MoJoRiSin unbelievable Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,664	i beg your pardon ? __________________ From stone tablets to html code, it's not lost on me.

02-12-2009, 08:48 AM	#2
Stephi_B waaaaaaa :) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 3,875	Hey, hey.... slow.... my gods and demons have no problem with new world orders -- only I have if such a world order promises to be crap: totalitarian, fascho, theocratic, .... in short: inhumane And destruction is usually not the best method of change (you destroy the good just like the bad of an old system!), transformation is better. And now let's fukk off from lovely Frieda's forum .... or transform this thread into something freeform funkalicious to please the local goddess

02-12-2009, 12:58 PM	#4
Stephi_B waaaaaaa :) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 3,875	There are real man-made gods -- money, status symbols, say -- whose worship can be destroyed (cp. that golden calf story in the ole book) And then there are, mmh, how to call them, man-shaped gods, in which existent nature forces, immaterial qualities (beauty, vengence, love, ....) and/or the whole way the universe runs are personified, I think there you only can "destroy" the personification and no-good forms of worship (sacrifices which demand more than some symbolic drink / food / gift / song / dance items; say blood sacrifice or ritual self-torture -- physical or psychic). Imo, not gods are a problem, but (some or some more of) the man-made orgs / rituals around them, just like money is not the problem, but mishandling it.

02-12-2009, 03:16 PM	#6
Stephi_B waaaaaaa :) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Berlin Posts: 3,875	Yeah, just stopping to belief in them was also my first thought, but that should only work if the gods were initially the product of people believing in them (so mere fantasy 100% rational people would say), so no absolute gods kinda which exist on and from their own. But only heaven knows if there's something like (an) absolute god(s)....

02-12-2009, 08:38 PM	#8
Hyakujo's Fox left hanging Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: between the click of the light and the start of the dream Posts: 10,071	The trickiest gods to kill are the ones you don't realise you believe in.

02-13-2009, 07:06 PM	#10
MoJoRiSin unbelievable Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,664	up until yesterday and today there were a few that had no idea what that word mean t http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/te...h/12pogue.html however, all that has changed __________________ From stone tablets to html code, it's not lost on me.

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