Condoning More Religion-based Homophobic Crap - ZEFRANK.COM

Smartypants · 11-15-2004, 08:51 AM

The Washington Post on Sunday ran a story about a town in Oklahoma whose townspeople turned out in force to protest a visit by by the psychotically homophopic Reverend Fred Phelps, even though they consider homosexuality a sin. It was a treacly human-interest story that painted a rosy picture of the Good Christian People who protected the young man, while overlooking the wrongheadedness of its own admitted prejudices.

Man, did it steam me!! The story is too long to paste, so I put a link below.

This is my letter to the Post's Editor (I am becoming Grandpa Simpson!):

Dear Editor,

If Anne Hull ("A Coming Out for One of Their Own," Sunday) witnessed a neighbor constantly telling her child he was stupid, or overheard a father drilling it into his son's head that he was a lesser person than other people's kids, she might well turn them in for verbal child abuse. Why then is the story of Michael Shackleford presented as a heartwarming tale of rescue by a loving and gentle family and friends? The reality is that while they came to Michael's aid when the Reverend Phelps arrived in town, their psychological abuse is more damaging and insidious than the kind that Phelps dispenses. Most rational, semi-intelligent people can dismiss Phelps as a hateful whacko when he appears for a day or two with his ridiculous entourage, but the lifelong reinforcement from family, neighbors, and the church that his homosexuality makes him somehow inferior will be harder or impossible for Michael ever to recover from.

Mrs. Shackleford and the residents of Sand Springs are hardly supportive heroes. In a story of true support Mom would have made Michael's ticket to the big city one way, so he could escape a community that still insists that he is a lesser person than other people's kids. And drilling it into gay kids that something's wrong with them should be met with the same horror and outrage currently reserved only for Reverend Phelps.-

Coming Out for One of Their Own

By Anne Hull

SAND SPRINGS, Okla. -- The fliers arrived three weeks ago. Some came over the fax machines of local churches, and others appeared mysteriously around town. Printed in bold was the heading "Westboro Baptist Church." No seeming cause for alarm. Sand Springs, population 18,500, is a Christian stronghold in the gently rolling hills of eastern Oklahoma.

To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...r=emailarticle

madasacutsnake · 11-16-2004, 04:07 AM

OK - la - homophobic!

Sorry.

Smartypants · 11-16-2004, 07:28 AM

LOL!!

Gatsby · 11-17-2004, 03:19 AM

This was weird to read. I grew up 10 minutes from Sand Springs. I know some of the people in this story.

***so ashamed***

joppa.gal · 12-11-2004, 12:42 PM

I grew up in a church where the pastor preached from the pulpit the evils of homosexuality and was therefore totally unprepared when my roomate started hanging out with gays. I froze, with my mind screaming, "Wrong, wrong, wrong...."

And I can't get past that. Regardless of what I believe, I need to be able to look someone in the face as an equal creation and be able to welcome them into my conversation. I need to welcome them into my home.

My predjudice isn't burning crosses. It's a frozen pause in the conversation when I learn of someone's orientation.

I hate my reaction because it shows my slanted teaching from my upbringing which only shows one side of :Love your Neighbor.

Oh, I go to a different church now. FYI.

madasacutsnake · 12-12-2004, 04:19 AM

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My predjudice isn't burning crosses. It's a frozen pause in the conversation when I learn of someone's orientation.

Brave admission. Wow.

topcat · 12-12-2004, 06:13 AM

really i think it better to abuse your wife in a hetrosexual realationship then be gay as long as you go to church on sunday.

daverbee · 01-17-2005, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by topcat

really i think it better to abuse your wife in a hetrosexual realationship then be gay as long as you go to church on sunday.

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read, "Don't worry, my gay marriage won't affect your straight divorce."

Large Marge · 01-17-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by daverbee

I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read, "Don't worry, my gay marriage won't affect your straight divorce."

orchid_blossom · 05-17-2005, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by topcat

really i think it better to abuse your wife in a hetrosexual realationship then be gay as long as you go to church on sunday.

I hope you are joking. That is the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. Homosexuals don't make a choice to be homosexual. Do you think that all gay people just woke up one day and thought, "Well, I think that I'll become homosexual. That way I can be ridiculed and possibly even physically attacked, too." ? If you are a Christian, how can you think it is wrong to be homosexual, since everything that God created is just as it should be, right?

madasacutsnake · 05-17-2005, 01:08 AM

^^

Jaysus.

Hyakujo's Fox · 05-17-2005, 01:35 AM

Well smarty, it's an interesting question to me, when Bush portrays himself as a serious Christian, why don't people burst out laughing? I'm pretty sure no real turn-the-other-cheek/meek-inherit-the-earth/camel-through-the-eye-of-a-needle Christian would ever get elected. There seems to be some kind of state of denial going on. [It's much worse for you guys up there, but there will always be politicians down here keeping an eye on what people are getting away with up there.] Or perhaps it's just that no one in the mainstream media, which has to be run on a rather secular basis, is prepared to take on politicians over their claims to religiosity.

Anyhow... God's Politics: An Interview With Jim Wallis

priceyfatprude · 12-12-2004, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by topcat
really i think it better to abuse your wife in a hetrosexual realationship then be gay as long as you go to church on sunday.

Sometimes I want to marry you.

joppa.gal · 12-12-2004, 07:10 AM

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really i think it better to abuse your wife in a hetrosexual realationship then be gay as long as you go to church on sunday.

^^^^ Hush it, Hobo

Ideally, it should not be like this. In time, maybe I can learn to gag the reflex that comes up when I hear "gay".

I feel like Pavlov's dog. I hear 'gay', I freeze. Actually, not so much that any more. I've been around people so much now that I can fully accept without havingf the 'deer in headlights' look.

It's 'Christian gay' that I will probably freeze at now.

I think it's just different levels of learning how to accept people in all circles, regardless of my beliefs.

Gatsby · 12-12-2004, 07:17 AM

If I gave up a child, I would rather it go to a homosexual male couple than a single heterosexual female.

Twice the love is all that counts. So there.

11-15-2004, 08:51 AM	#1
Smartypants MR. Smartypants to you. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oh, YOU PEOPLE go ahead and call it "Frisco." See if I care. Posts: 3,967	Condoning More Religion-based Homophobic Crap The Washington Post on Sunday ran a story about a town in Oklahoma whose townspeople turned out in force to protest a visit by by the psychotically homophopic Reverend Fred Phelps, even though they consider homosexuality a sin. It was a treacly human-interest story that painted a rosy picture of the Good Christian People who protected the young man, while overlooking the wrongheadedness of its own admitted prejudices. Man, did it steam me!! The story is too long to paste, so I put a link below. This is my letter to the Post's Editor (I am becoming Grandpa Simpson!): Dear Editor, If Anne Hull ("A Coming Out for One of Their Own," Sunday) witnessed a neighbor constantly telling her child he was stupid, or overheard a father drilling it into his son's head that he was a lesser person than other people's kids, she might well turn them in for verbal child abuse. Why then is the story of Michael Shackleford presented as a heartwarming tale of rescue by a loving and gentle family and friends? The reality is that while they came to Michael's aid when the Reverend Phelps arrived in town, their psychological abuse is more damaging and insidious than the kind that Phelps dispenses. Most rational, semi-intelligent people can dismiss Phelps as a hateful whacko when he appears for a day or two with his ridiculous entourage, but the lifelong reinforcement from family, neighbors, and the church that his homosexuality makes him somehow inferior will be harder or impossible for Michael ever to recover from. Mrs. Shackleford and the residents of Sand Springs are hardly supportive heroes. In a story of true support Mom would have made Michael's ticket to the big city one way, so he could escape a community that still insists that he is a lesser person than other people's kids. And drilling it into gay kids that something's wrong with them should be met with the same horror and outrage currently reserved only for Reverend Phelps.- Coming Out for One of Their Own By Anne Hull SAND SPRINGS, Okla. -- The fliers arrived three weeks ago. Some came over the fax machines of local churches, and others appeared mysteriously around town. Printed in bold was the heading "Westboro Baptist Church." No seeming cause for alarm. Sand Springs, population 18,500, is a Christian stronghold in the gently rolling hills of eastern Oklahoma. To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...r=emailarticle __________________ "I don't think God wants us to believe in him. If he wanted us to believe in him he'd do something about it -- like exist perhaps!" --Linda Smith

11-16-2004, 04:07 AM	#2
madasacutsnake no more nice girl Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,054	OK - la - homophobic! Sorry. __________________ He really shatters the myth of white supremacy once and for all.

11-16-2004, 07:28 AM	#3
Smartypants MR. Smartypants to you. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oh, YOU PEOPLE go ahead and call it "Frisco." See if I care. Posts: 3,967	LOL!! __________________ "I don't think God wants us to believe in him. If he wanted us to believe in him he'd do something about it -- like exist perhaps!" --Linda Smith

05-17-2005, 01:08 AM	#11
madasacutsnake no more nice girl Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,054	^^ Jaysus. __________________ He really shatters the myth of white supremacy once and for all.

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11-17-2004, 03:19 AM	#4
Gatsby I used to be a girl Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,152	This was weird to read. I grew up 10 minutes from Sand Springs. I know some of the people in this story. *so ashamed*

12-11-2004, 12:42 PM	#5
joppa.gal monkey Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 615	I grew up in a church where the pastor preached from the pulpit the evils of homosexuality and was therefore totally unprepared when my roomate started hanging out with gays. I froze, with my mind screaming, "Wrong, wrong, wrong...." And I can't get past that. Regardless of what I believe, I need to be able to look someone in the face as an equal creation and be able to welcome them into my conversation. I need to welcome them into my home. My predjudice isn't burning crosses. It's a frozen pause in the conversation when I learn of someone's orientation. I hate my reaction because it shows my slanted teaching from my upbringing which only shows one side of :Love your Neighbor. Oh, I go to a different church now. FYI.

12-12-2004, 06:13 AM	#7
topcat monkey Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: across the st. from the telephone pole Posts: 1,970	really i think it better to abuse your wife in a hetrosexual realationship then be gay as long as you go to church on sunday.

05-17-2005, 01:35 AM	#12
Hyakujo's Fox left hanging Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: between the click of the light and the start of the dream Posts: 10,071	Well smarty, it's an interesting question to me, when Bush portrays himself as a serious Christian, why don't people burst out laughing? I'm pretty sure no real turn-the-other-cheek/meek-inherit-the-earth/camel-through-the-eye-of-a-needle Christian would ever get elected. There seems to be some kind of state of denial going on. [It's much worse for you guys up there, but there will always be politicians down here keeping an eye on what people are getting away with up there.] Or perhaps it's just that no one in the mainstream media, which has to be run on a rather secular basis, is prepared to take on politicians over their claims to religiosity. Anyhow... God's Politics: An Interview With Jim Wallis

12-12-2004, 07:17 AM	#15
Gatsby I used to be a girl Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,152	If I gave up a child, I would rather it go to a homosexual male couple than a single heterosexual female. Twice the love is all that counts. So there.