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nycwriters · 07-12-2004, 08:31 PM

I know this should be in current events or debate hall, but wanted everyone to see it (and I know some don't wander over that way)

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Fury at anarchist convention threat

'These hard-core groups are looking to take us on. They have increased their level of violence.'
- Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly

By PATRICE O'SHAUGHNESSY
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

The NYPD aims to keep things well in hand during the convention.

"Where is the legitimate protest in trying to endanger the public?" an angry _Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly told The News.

Fringe elements are hoping to spark major disruptions at the Republican National Convention with a series of sneaky tricks - including fooling bomb-sniffing dogs on trains bound for Penn Station, the Daily News has learned.

Internet-using anarchists are telling would-be troublemakers to decoy specially trained Labrador retrievers with gunpowder or ammonium nitrate-laced tablets in a bid to halt trains or even spur the evacuation of Madison Square Garden.

Top cops are girding against the attempt to foil strong anti-terrorist strategies aimed at protecting conventiongoers - including President Bush - as well as peaceful protesters during the Aug. 30 to Sept. 2 GOP fete.

"Where is the legitimate protest in trying to endanger the public?" an angry _Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly told The News.

"It is the height of irresponsibility," he added. "These hard-core groups are looking to take us on. ... They have increased their level of sophistication and violence."

So in addition to guarding against the most vile, organized and destructive of terrorists, Kelly and company have to combat a shadowy, loose-knit band of traveling troublemakers who spread their guides to disruption over the Internet.

The dog decoy ploy is the among most insidious in the fringe groups' bag of tricks - which includes throwing marbles under the hooves of police horses and using slingshots to pelt the animals.

"They're trying to use up our resources with false alarms. ... The sensitive dogs would become burned out with too many alerts," said a police source.

Preliminary plans call for state and city cops with the dogs and hand-held chemical detection devices to board commuter and subway trains one stop before they reach Penn Station, under the Garden.

The trains will be swept for suspicious packages and terror suspects before being allowed to continue into the station - the country's busiest, with about 600,000 passengers on a regular workday.

"We're going to make certain there is absolutely no disruption of the train," Kelly said in announcing the procedures on April 28.

Two days later, an Internet posting detailed how to stoke disorder by miscuing the bomb dogs.

The posting instructed people to "go to a rifle, pistol or skeet shooting range, spend an hour shooting to saturate clothing with smell of gunpowder, go directly to a New Jersey Transit, LIRR or subway train headed for Penn Station.

"Try to have at least two people on a train in different locations, sit or stand near the doors as the train approaches the station, try to get near police and dogs, loiter as long as possible around the dog, try to pet it if possible.

"If the dog alerts on your scent, do not leave or resist; the situation will cause a major disruption of the train schedule. ... If there is more than one person on the train that causes a dog to alert, you can bet that the train will not be going anywhere for a long time ... neither will any trains behind it."

The message instructs to "Play dumb for as long as possible" before telling the police you unwittingly got the gunpowder on your clothes at a shooting range. "It is important that the police call in all possible resources to investigate the situation. ... With any luck, Madison Square Garden will be evacuated."

"Rush hours are ideal, the final night of the convention, very good, too," the posting said.

After being alerted to the gunpowder posting, investigators uncovered Internet mentions of dispersing traces of ammonium nitrate on the trains.

Ammonium nitrate is one of the most common farm fertilizers in the world. The dogs are trained to detect the fertilizer because it has been used in major bombings, from the 1993 World Trade Center attack to Oklahoma City to Bali, Indonesia.

The NYPD also is preparing for possible "Black Bloc" tactics by small groups of anarchists, in which demonstrators wear black clothing and bandannas over their faces - and wield pipes, bottles and commit acts of vandalism against corporate "enemies" such as the Gap, Starbucks and McDonald's.

Cops have been trained to isolate violent individuals among peaceful protesters, and will employ an 1845 law that prohibits people from wearing masks in street gatherings, except for masquerades.

The NYPD has sent cops to Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Miami, sites of previous political conventions, and to Boston, which will host the Democratic convention this month, to collect intelligence.

"There is the same hard-core element that we have seen move from city to city where violence has marred protests," another police source said.

Trail of global mayhem

Here's a look at major events in recent years that were disrupted:

SEATTLE, December 1999: Tens of thousands of protesters storm into the usually laid-back city to protest global economic policies at meeting of the World Trade Organization. The ragtag group of anarchists, students and labor organizers takes cops by surprise, fights pitched battles with riot police and derails the opening ceremony.

QUEBEC CITY, April 2001: Riot police fire water cannons and rubber bullets to keep 25,000 demonstrators at bay during the Summit of the Americas aimed at creating the world's largest free trade area. The leaders of 34 nations meet behind a 2.3-mile fence as protesters besiege summit site, but fail to derail meeting.

GENOA, ITALY, July 2001: A protester is shot dead as more than 100,000 rock-throwing demonstrators battle cops at the G8 summit of wealthy nations. Heavily armed cops even mount predawn raids on the media center and protest organizers, arresting dozen of leaders.

MIAMI, November 2003: Cops use tear gas and overwhelming force to break up throngs of hundreds of labor activists gathered at a free-trade summit. The police keep a lid on protests with mass arrests, but critics say they fueled anger by overreacting.

The cost of security

The security tab for the Police Department is about $76 million, most of which will be reimbursed.

Nearly $50 million will go toward overtime for the 10,000 officers around Madison Square Garden, and the cops who fill in for them.

Almost $12 million is being spent on training in counterterrorism, as well as in First Amendment rights of protesters and media.

Some $17.5 million is being spent on equipment, such as the construction of Delta barriers - metal lift plates - around the Garden area to stop trucks for inspections.

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I was blown away by this:

The words on Web that incite hatred

Here are excerpts from an Internet posting advising how to trick bomb-sniffing dogs:

"Go to a rifle, pistol or skeet shooting range, spend an hour shooting to saturate clothing with smell of gunpowder, go directly to a New Jersey Transit, LIRR or subway train headed for Penn Station.

"Try to have at least two people on a train in different locations, sit or stand near the doors as the train approaches the station, try to get near police and dogs, loiter as long as possible around the dog, try to pet it if possible.

"If the dog alerts on your scent, do not leave or resist; the situation will cause a major disruption of the train schedule. ... If there is more than one person on the train that causes a dog to alert, you can bet that the train will not be going anywhere for a long time ... neither will any trains behind it.

"It is important that the police call in all possible resources to investigate the situation. ... This will result in the maximum disruption. ... With any luck, Madison Square Garden will be evacuated.

"Rush hours are ideal, the final night of the convention, very good, too."

Originally published on July 11, 2004

nycwriters · 07-12-2004, 08:41 PM

I am dreading this freakin' convention. I live five blocks away.

If they're planning the mayhem like in that last section of the above article ... ugh.

I mean who the hell thinks to do THIS in this day and age?

Quote:

"Go to a rifle, pistol or skeet shooting range, spend an hour shooting to saturate clothing with smell of gunpowder, go directly to a New Jersey Transit, LIRR or subway train headed for Penn Station.

Coffee · 07-12-2004, 08:52 PM

Good luck NYC.

Man...that is way over the top...def. not constitutionally protected forms of protest.

I wish that sort could wake up and realize how much harm that does to "protests" in general...it generates so much bad press for legit protest movements. And probably causes well intentioned folks that would like to hold a sign at a peace rally to stay home rather than face the possiblity of getting caught up in that kind of mayhem.

USE YOUR ARMS AND LEGS TO VOTE, NOT TO THROW SHITE.

gaahhh...and the resources it wastes. Great job morons, all your doing is giving the cops some overtime pay, and taking that money away from other public services, like ... schools perhaps???

Smartypants · 07-13-2004, 05:30 AM

Why exactly did they choose NYC as the convention city? It's just asking for trouble. I would have expected a midwestern city (other than Chicago) or a southern one would be considerably more welcoming.

Staging it in New York is just ASKING for trouble. Do they think that if they get a nearly guaranteed violent reception, it will just make voters more sympathetic to the GOP?

zenbabe · 07-13-2004, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nycwriters
I am dreading this freakin' convention. I live five blocks away.

If they're planning the mayhem like in that last section of the above article ... ugh.

I mean who the hell thinks to do THIS in this day and age?

live in arizona and it would be no big deal...NYC I would imagine would be a different story....

Do they even have shooting ranges other than for cops there?

07-12-2004, 08:31 PM	#1
nycwriters Stuck in T.O. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Floundering Posts: 4,134	These guys are jackasses I know this should be in current events or debate hall, but wanted everyone to see it (and I know some don't wander over that way) click Fury at anarchist convention threat 'These hard-core groups are looking to take us on. They have increased their level of violence.' - Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly By PATRICE O'SHAUGHNESSY DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER The NYPD aims to keep things well in hand during the convention. "Where is the legitimate protest in trying to endanger the public?" an angry _Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly told The News. Fringe elements are hoping to spark major disruptions at the Republican National Convention with a series of sneaky tricks - including fooling bomb-sniffing dogs on trains bound for Penn Station, the Daily News has learned. Internet-using anarchists are telling would-be troublemakers to decoy specially trained Labrador retrievers with gunpowder or ammonium nitrate-laced tablets in a bid to halt trains or even spur the evacuation of Madison Square Garden. Top cops are girding against the attempt to foil strong anti-terrorist strategies aimed at protecting conventiongoers - including President Bush - as well as peaceful protesters during the Aug. 30 to Sept. 2 GOP fete. "Where is the legitimate protest in trying to endanger the public?" an angry _Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly told The News. "It is the height of irresponsibility," he added. "These hard-core groups are looking to take us on. ... They have increased their level of sophistication and violence." So in addition to guarding against the most vile, organized and destructive of terrorists, Kelly and company have to combat a shadowy, loose-knit band of traveling troublemakers who spread their guides to disruption over the Internet. The dog decoy ploy is the among most insidious in the fringe groups' bag of tricks - which includes throwing marbles under the hooves of police horses and using slingshots to pelt the animals. "They're trying to use up our resources with false alarms. ... The sensitive dogs would become burned out with too many alerts," said a police source. Preliminary plans call for state and city cops with the dogs and hand-held chemical detection devices to board commuter and subway trains one stop before they reach Penn Station, under the Garden. The trains will be swept for suspicious packages and terror suspects before being allowed to continue into the station - the country's busiest, with about 600,000 passengers on a regular workday. "We're going to make certain there is absolutely no disruption of the train," Kelly said in announcing the procedures on April 28. Two days later, an Internet posting detailed how to stoke disorder by miscuing the bomb dogs. The posting instructed people to "go to a rifle, pistol or skeet shooting range, spend an hour shooting to saturate clothing with smell of gunpowder, go directly to a New Jersey Transit, LIRR or subway train headed for Penn Station. "Try to have at least two people on a train in different locations, sit or stand near the doors as the train approaches the station, try to get near police and dogs, loiter as long as possible around the dog, try to pet it if possible. "If the dog alerts on your scent, do not leave or resist; the situation will cause a major disruption of the train schedule. ... If there is more than one person on the train that causes a dog to alert, you can bet that the train will not be going anywhere for a long time ... neither will any trains behind it." The message instructs to "Play dumb for as long as possible" before telling the police you unwittingly got the gunpowder on your clothes at a shooting range. "It is important that the police call in all possible resources to investigate the situation. ... With any luck, Madison Square Garden will be evacuated." "Rush hours are ideal, the final night of the convention, very good, too," the posting said. After being alerted to the gunpowder posting, investigators uncovered Internet mentions of dispersing traces of ammonium nitrate on the trains. Ammonium nitrate is one of the most common farm fertilizers in the world. The dogs are trained to detect the fertilizer because it has been used in major bombings, from the 1993 World Trade Center attack to Oklahoma City to Bali, Indonesia. The NYPD also is preparing for possible "Black Bloc" tactics by small groups of anarchists, in which demonstrators wear black clothing and bandannas over their faces - and wield pipes, bottles and commit acts of vandalism against corporate "enemies" such as the Gap, Starbucks and McDonald's. Cops have been trained to isolate violent individuals among peaceful protesters, and will employ an 1845 law that prohibits people from wearing masks in street gatherings, except for masquerades. The NYPD has sent cops to Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Miami, sites of previous political conventions, and to Boston, which will host the Democratic convention this month, to collect intelligence. "There is the same hard-core element that we have seen move from city to city where violence has marred protests," another police source said. Trail of global mayhem Here's a look at major events in recent years that were disrupted: SEATTLE, December 1999: Tens of thousands of protesters storm into the usually laid-back city to protest global economic policies at meeting of the World Trade Organization. The ragtag group of anarchists, students and labor organizers takes cops by surprise, fights pitched battles with riot police and derails the opening ceremony. QUEBEC CITY, April 2001: Riot police fire water cannons and rubber bullets to keep 25,000 demonstrators at bay during the Summit of the Americas aimed at creating the world's largest free trade area. The leaders of 34 nations meet behind a 2.3-mile fence as protesters besiege summit site, but fail to derail meeting. GENOA, ITALY, July 2001: A protester is shot dead as more than 100,000 rock-throwing demonstrators battle cops at the G8 summit of wealthy nations. Heavily armed cops even mount predawn raids on the media center and protest organizers, arresting dozen of leaders. MIAMI, November 2003: Cops use tear gas and overwhelming force to break up throngs of hundreds of labor activists gathered at a free-trade summit. The police keep a lid on protests with mass arrests, but critics say they fueled anger by overreacting. The cost of security The security tab for the Police Department is about $76 million, most of which will be reimbursed. Nearly $50 million will go toward overtime for the 10,000 officers around Madison Square Garden, and the cops who fill in for them. Almost $12 million is being spent on training in counterterrorism, as well as in First Amendment rights of protesters and media. Some $17.5 million is being spent on equipment, such as the construction of Delta barriers - metal lift plates - around the Garden area to stop trucks for inspections. ------------- I was blown away by this: The words on Web that incite hatred Here are excerpts from an Internet posting advising how to trick bomb-sniffing dogs: "Go to a rifle, pistol or skeet shooting range, spend an hour shooting to saturate clothing with smell of gunpowder, go directly to a New Jersey Transit, LIRR or subway train headed for Penn Station. "Try to have at least two people on a train in different locations, sit or stand near the doors as the train approaches the station, try to get near police and dogs, loiter as long as possible around the dog, try to pet it if possible. "If the dog alerts on your scent, do not leave or resist; the situation will cause a major disruption of the train schedule. ... If there is more than one person on the train that causes a dog to alert, you can bet that the train will not be going anywhere for a long time ... neither will any trains behind it. "It is important that the police call in all possible resources to investigate the situation. ... This will result in the maximum disruption. ... With any luck, Madison Square Garden will be evacuated. "Rush hours are ideal, the final night of the convention, very good, too." Originally published on July 11, 2004

07-13-2004, 05:30 AM	#4
Smartypants MR. Smartypants to you. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oh, YOU PEOPLE go ahead and call it "Frisco." See if I care. Posts: 3,967	Why exactly did they choose NYC as the convention city? It's just asking for trouble. I would have expected a midwestern city (other than Chicago) or a southern one would be considerably more welcoming. Staging it in New York is just ASKING for trouble. Do they think that if they get a nearly guaranteed violent reception, it will just make voters more sympathetic to the GOP? __________________ "I don't think God wants us to believe in him. If he wanted us to believe in him he'd do something about it -- like exist perhaps!" --Linda Smith

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07-12-2004, 08:52 PM	#3
Coffee Cheeses Save Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Floating Posts: 9,204	Good luck NYC. Man...that is way over the top...def. not constitutionally protected forms of protest. I wish that sort could wake up and realize how much harm that does to "protests" in general...it generates so much bad press for legit protest movements. And probably causes well intentioned folks that would like to hold a sign at a peace rally to stay home rather than face the possiblity of getting caught up in that kind of mayhem. USE YOUR ARMS AND LEGS TO VOTE, NOT TO THROW SHITE. gaahhh...and the resources it wastes. Great job morons, all your doing is giving the cops some overtime pay, and taking that money away from other public services, like ... schools perhaps???