is fascism sexy?

[Alighieri]

Hello all,

I have been researching WW2 and Nazi fetish. First let me take away some of the myths of what people into this fetish do and do not believe. First, the facination is not with Nazism its with the power that the uniform signifies. For many especially in the S&M world the whole kick is giving someone else power over your body. And for some that Hugo Boss Uniform exudes power and control. We in America even pattern many of our police Honor Guard uniforms off of the same patterns.

Secondly few, if any, think killing 6 million people is sexy. And if they do they need to be committed. Most people will tell you that they hate what the nazi's did, but the uniforms were nice. As the quote goes "the devil has the best music and the Nazi's have the best uniforms." Or another quote more apt is "you can admire the asthetics (of the Nazis) but not the ethics."

I am on a dicussion board (www.fedoralounge.com) that if you even mention that the Nazi Uniforms are nice looking and that the symbols they used are not inherently evil, you could get banned. They are all about how great the US was in WW2 and how evil Germany was. Even to the point of absurdity. This reaction is part of what draws people to the Nazi imagry. The power it has. Even now people fear the uniform. (
http://www.thefedoralounge.com/showp...2&postcount=60) The uniforms of the SS were crafted to be powerful propaganda for Germany and they succeded. In the US we see tshirts with the communist hammer and sickle, the rising sun, even the red star, and dont blink at it usually. However if we see a swastika we freak out and claim insensitivity.

We as people give power to symbols and items. A unifom is nothing more than cloth, it is the man in the uniform that makes the difference. A symbol is just a bunch of lines till we give it power. We as humans can give, take away, or change the power of a symbol.

-Alighieri

[madasacutsnake]

Originally Posted by Alighieri

Secondly few, if any, think killing 6 million people is sexy.

TWELVE million.

FFS.

[Alighieri]

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

TWELVE million.

FFS.

I was speaking of just the Jewish people as that seems to be who is the most offended by the symbols the Nazi's used. The total number is up for debate it ranges from 9-20 million depending on your source.

Alighieri

[madasacutsnake]

Originally Posted by Alighieri

I was speaking of just the Jewish people

No you weren't. Good job on the googling though.

[Alighieri]

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

No you weren't. Good job on the googling though.

Actually I was only speaking of the Jewish people. And I didn't have to google anything, like I mentioned I have been researching this for some time. Many people were in the camps for a variety of reasons. The Jews were the single largest group of people, as well as the people who seem to still be the most effected by it, thus my reason for using their number.

Regards

Alighieri

[madasacutsnake]

Well in which case you rather successfully succeeded in not only minimalising Nazism but ostracising a lot of people who for whatever reason, came along and made up the numbers at Goering's party.

Which is kind of an insensitive way to make a sensitive point.

[Alighieri]

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

Well in which case you rather successfully succeeded in not only minimalising Nazism but ostracising a lot of people who for whatever reason, came along and made up the numbers at Goering's party.

Which is kind of an insensitive way to make a sensitive point.

Well since the total number is still up for debate, the only number that is universally agreed on is the Jewish number it seemed to be the most solid fact to use in a discussion. If the number is 20 million then you have minimized Nazism and ostracized a lot of people as well with your 12million figure. But none of this is actually pertinent to the original discussion. If you like we can debate the death toll in another thread.


Alighieri