is fascism sexy?

[Alighieri]

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

No you weren't. Good job on the googling though.

Actually I was only speaking of the Jewish people. And I didn't have to google anything, like I mentioned I have been researching this for some time. Many people were in the camps for a variety of reasons. The Jews were the single largest group of people, as well as the people who seem to still be the most effected by it, thus my reason for using their number.

Regards

Alighieri

[madasacutsnake]

Well in which case you rather successfully succeeded in not only minimalising Nazism but ostracising a lot of people who for whatever reason, came along and made up the numbers at Goering's party.

Which is kind of an insensitive way to make a sensitive point.

[Alighieri]

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

Well in which case you rather successfully succeeded in not only minimalising Nazism but ostracising a lot of people who for whatever reason, came along and made up the numbers at Goering's party.

Which is kind of an insensitive way to make a sensitive point.

Well since the total number is still up for debate, the only number that is universally agreed on is the Jewish number it seemed to be the most solid fact to use in a discussion. If the number is 20 million then you have minimized Nazism and ostracized a lot of people as well with your 12million figure. But none of this is actually pertinent to the original discussion. If you like we can debate the death toll in another thread.


Alighieri

[craig johnston]

the reason that i described the nazi regime as the most evil ever, is that it was so systematic, and took place in a shorter period of time. yes, stalin was clearly responsible for at least as many deaths, but the object of communism is not the extermination of whole races of people, this was his personal evil. the concept of nazi-ism calls for the liquidation of those races considered to be inferior.

Agreed, few wear communist symbols to be sexy, but they wear them and we as a society barely even take notice, where we revile at the thought of the symbols the Nazi stole from other cultures and tainted with their evil. And as luck would have it I know of a few people who do have Soviet uniforms that dress up in them

yes, but look at the title of the thread. i am questioning why it is particularly nazi uniforms that seem to arouse certain people's ardour. your answers sound like apologies for the unforgivable.

[Alighieri]

Originally Posted by craig johnston

the reason that i described the nazi regime as the most evil ever, is that it was so systematic, and took place in a shorter period of time. yes, stalin was clearly responsible for at least as many deaths, but the object of communism is not the extermination of whole races of people, this was his personal evil. the concept of nazi-ism calls for the liquidation of those races considered to be inferior.


yes, but look at the title of the thread. i am questioning why it is particularly nazi uniforms that seem to arouse certain people's ardour. your answers sound like apologies for the unforgivable.

A healthy debate can be had on the most evil regime in history. I personally think Stalin or Mao would rank at 1 and 2 for sheer numbers with Hitler being a close third for the reasons you gave. But that is opinion trying to compare dissimilar things. Mao and Stalin didn't concentrate on race, they were more into dissidents. But they both killed a huge number of people, more than Hitler according to most sources. I think that those regimes are not seen as the same kind of evil because there are not the horrible pictures of the gulags and we didn't war against them. Again mostly opinion based on the research I have been reading.

I think for much the same reasons that other taboos excite humans, that is why the Nazi uniforms attract the feelings they do. Vampires, though mythical, are killers but we have in society romanticized them in books and movies because it both excites and repels us. There is also the thought that "every girl loves a man in uniform" Military uniforms represent control, discipline and authority. Many people find that sexy.

And before the "apologist" argument erupts, I in no way deny or condone what Hitler or the Nazi's did.


Alighieri