Guess I Won't Have Mama Moonbat to Kick Around Anymore

[Stephi_B]

Originally Posted by The Duke

Well I would call the recurring palpitations from those countries growing pains , if you look elsewhere , perhaps in the US you will see that no one is making noise about some idiotic kiddy show under the guise of gender awareness .

Didn't say a word on the US, now did I? In the States you've got the highest density of Bible whackos in our so-called Western world... BUT they ain't have close as much say than currently in Poland were they're needed by the twins for majority, so there's no need for unnecessary America bashing, which is very boring anyways It's even more boring when one sees that not only the USA, but Germany, Netherlands, etc and so on are either allied or at least very friendly with many states on that list.
But you see in this light that it's completely irrelevant when an American peace activist, scarcely known widely outside America, goes to see and praise Senor Chavez, when George W, Tony, Angie and Co. go to see and praise King Abdullah of S.A. or arrange business / 'war against terror' deals for their countries, so that for example Karimov ("president", ie.autocrat of Uzbekistan) might soon be able to let make a new gold statue of himself...

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So you absolutely can't stand them Teletubbies - that came through kinda... Chill this are only TV characters... no terrorists, no danger for national security & stuff

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Originally Posted by The Duke

I dont know if communism or even Stalinism is the vogue

I said authoritarianism and populism, which indeed can dress as communism/Stalinism, but also as (ultra)nationalism/fascism or Islamism, or weird mixes of leftwing and rightwing (Islamism is rightwing btw) political flavours. I imagine politics as circle, where extreme leftwing and rightwing meet at the bottom - worst case scenario of a govt - and moderate left and right meet at the top - ideal scenario. In both bottom and top regions traditional right or left attitudes have vanished and formed kinda an alloy, like amalgam.

But that

Originally Posted by The Duke

they always tend to kill their own just before they break down and hit skidrow ....
(...)

is absolutely true for authoritarian regimes, no matter what colour they paint themselves.

I still like tovarishch Mikhail Gorbachyov, because he made it possible for us Germans to tear down that wall!
(Mr. "Star Wars" Reagan I always thought quite a sympatico uncle when I saw him on telly as a kid- but do you really think that Gorbi did what he did just because of Reagan's balls? I don't. But of course that all belongs to the American mythos of "winning the Cold war" and I don't wanna take away your delight, proudness and all - BUT actually you're still fighting it, against mistakes Reagan and predecessors made by 'allying with Lucifer against Satan'...)

[zenbabe]

At least she has the balls to protest and show her outright contempt for this fvcked up war. What moves have you made to try and stop it except bitch about it?

[Brynn]

Cindy Sheehan is a mother grieving the still recent loss of her son. I don't care what kind of ass anyone makes of themselves in the course of that unbearable, nightmarish transition. Have some compassion, for Christ's sake. It's obvious you no nothing of that kind of loss.
The war in Iraq is a disaster on every possible level. There is no way around that. At least she's been a courageous voice for what should be painfully obvious to all. I haven't followed her actions in the last year, and I don't care. She gets a free ride in my book, and speaks for many voiceless families coping with loss.

And, blow me down, but I actually agree completely with Duke about Chavez, much as I hate to admit that i'm actually reading these rantings. My best friend, a venuzuelan, confirms all.

[House,M.D.]

And, blow me down, but I actually agree completely with Duke about Chavez, much as I hate to admit that i'm actually reading these rantings. My best friend, a venuzuelan, confirms all.

I wouldn't worry about him being right. You post enough, you're bound to get lucky once in a while. This was his once.

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by House,M.D.

I wouldn't worry about him being right. You post enough, you're bound to get lucky once in a while. This was his once.

I'm sure you will find that I have posted too many spot on threads in the past ....not only here but elsewhere....it's just how you look at it ...and where you find them

I don't play word games Doc ,but there is this undeniable thing called the truth and for most it is painful indeed .

as I have always intended ......because "Denial" is not a river down in South America.

May I suggest that you prescribe more aspirin for your patients who can't handle the headpains from the sudden return to reality .....

and naturally , the Horse pills will do just fine for the ever flapping disbelieving moonbats who want nothing more than shoot the messenger, and dominate free speech.

Luck ? Nah , It's just research pal !


H

[The Duke]

It comes to a point where one is beyond making an ass of themselves , and they begin to cast ridiculous aspersions upon others , such as Ms. Sheehan has done in the past .

My heart goes out to the military families who have lost their loved ones , These are the same love ones that have been called terrorists and wholly equivocated as criminals by Ms Sheehan .


Cindy Sheehan was a Pawn in a cruel game of Leftwing propaganda , maybe she just realized it recently , and has seen the toll it has taken on her as a limited person.

I'm sorry but I can't pity any stupid person who allows themselves to be taken in and used by the unscrupulous leftist agents of anarchy.

I do have much apathy for Cindy though ....I think she learned her lesson ..better late than never. Maybe she will find the real truth one day ...but that is of no consequence because despite everything she attempted , she achieved absolutely nothing .

I desire more than ever to stop all the wars , and my scope is to disclose the real war behind this war on terror, the islamofacist jihadist war that is being waged against you and I and everyone who may not be Islamic this very minute .

Of course you don't have to believe me about this , just pick up a copy of the Quran , any Quran and start reading the Suras 2 through 9 and know that if you don't submit to Islam you will be deemed an infidel and will eventually suffer under their sword .

this is the war they believe in , not the war I believe in ...I don't even believe in fighting a war to begin with .

I totally believe in preservation of humanity.

Because of this I also don't believe in being nothing more than the sacrificial goat awaiting to be slaughtered by religious fanatics who's religious values encompass total hatred , immoral carnage ,and discrimination toward ALL non believers.

Do you believe in Alah Brynn , Do you believe in Muhammed and Islam ?

You should know by now that I don't even subscribe to any religion whatsoever , I go by what my eyes see ....

I see Christians and Jews everyday saying " I will Die for my Beliefs " which is perfectly okay with me as long as they don't plan on taking any innocent people with them .

and I see Islamics everyday who are saying " You Will Die for My Beliefs" and thats where I draw a line in the sand and brandish my pen which is far mightier than their sword.


Do you understand this ?

Originally Posted by Brynn

Cindy Sheehan is a mother grieving the still recent loss of her son. I don't care what kind of ass anyone makes of themselves in the course of that unbearable, nightmarish transition. Have some compassion, for Christ's sake. It's obvious you no nothing of that kind of loss.
The war in Iraq is a disaster on every possible level. There is no way around that. At least she's been a courageous voice for what should be painfully obvious to all. I haven't followed her actions in the last year, and I don't care. She gets a free ride in my book, and speaks for many voiceless families coping with loss.

And, blow me down, but I actually agree completely with Duke about Chavez, much as I hate to admit that i'm actually reading these rantings. My best friend, a venuzuelan, confirms all.

[madasacutsnake]

Originally Posted by The Duke

and I see Islamics everyday who are saying " You Will Die for My Beliefs" and thats where I draw a line in the sand and brandish my pen which is far mightier than their sword.

Duke, this is interesting. Do you consider that perhaps politics and economics play a part in eastern dissatisfaction with the West? And that possibly jihadism is a tool to manipulate that dissatisfaction for political and economic gain?

I have always found it hard to swallow that a group of prosperous and enfranchised people suddenly decide that it would be a great idea to pop out and kill some people from another religion. After all, there's plenty of stuff about smoting and stoning in the Bible and generally western people dont feel the need to smote and stone.

[Audreyvgs]

He overrates his pen.

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

Duke, this is interesting. Do you consider that perhaps politics and economics play a part in eastern dissatisfaction with the West? And that possibly jihadism is a tool to manipulate that dissatisfaction for political and economic gain?

I have always found it hard to swallow that a group of prosperous and enfranchised people suddenly decide that it would be a great idea to pop out and kill some people from another religion. After all, there's plenty of stuff about smoting and stoning in the Bible and generally western people dont feel the need to smote and stone.

I don't think it's the politics , because in most of the hard line Islamic countries the Mullah is the boss ..he doesn't get elected by people , he appoints himself in the name of Alah ...

I do consider the fact that most of these countries are dirt poor , under-educated and stressed out by various factors of tyranny and serfdom .

You see uneducated people will always allow others who appoint themselves to think and act for them , this syndrome of responsibility by proxy grows from a weak social system where higher education takes a back seat to superstition and myths.


What we have here are in the west are a group , or shall we say a society of hard working , highly educated enfranchised people who are busily debating about whether they should defend themselves from an onslaught by a group of bloodthirsty Disenfrachised Cro-Magnons who's belief is that their way is the only way , and we accomodate them about this in lieu to actually planning a solid defense first and offering them our help second .

You may not know this but I Coach Footbal ,and having been among the Champs , I came to find out at an early stage that indeed the best offense is a very good and integer Defense .

Of course this debate can be seen in many different ways , as it takes place everywhere in the west.

This unwanted , and unpopular War for example was not something just suddenly decided , but grew out of repeated acts of failed diplomacy spanning six US administrations Carter's was the administration that broke the camels back.

The same culture or civilization if you want to call it that , is attempting to destroy our Democracy.
They will not listen to any form of reason coming from us , nor will they make any concessions or compromises to allow for our two civilizations of alter beliefs to coincide in any form of peace , unless that peace means that we don the yoke , pay Jizyah and become their infidel slaves .

Surely there is plenty of smite and smote in the old bible (Old Testament ), but when was the last time you heard any Christian , or preacher , or even the Pope holler "Glory Be to God let's cut off all their heads and drink their blood for they are no good and do not believe as we do." ?

Jesus never ever said that , in fact he said exactly the opposite ....

Only I am sorry to say , Jesus is not here to save us now ....He gave us the Tools ....of which I am 100% convinced he learned his philosophies under the tutelage of the Confucions..No I think we are going to have to come together as one western world and think and act our way through this ...

THere is no Kiss and Make up coming from Usama ben Ladin ,and the Mullahs , so the choices are extremely limited to us !


I say Confront them , tell them who we are , what we stand for , and that we aren't going to change for them ..they on the other do not have to change for us .

Simply put, " all violence from all sides must be condemned and stopped , but it takes two to tango , nobody will be allowed to dance alone at this contest.

We may have to reform our view of Islam indeed , and Islam will certainly have to reform their view of the rest of the world , the non Islamic world !

PS my wife called me to the table , so I pubbed it and corrected it later ,,hope you don't mind this !

[madasacutsnake]

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

Duke, this is interesting. Do you consider that perhaps politics and economics play a part in eastern dissatisfaction with the West? And that possibly jihadism is a tool to manipulate that dissatisfaction for political and economic gain?

I have always found it hard to swallow that a group of prosperous and enfranchised people suddenly decide that it would be a great idea to pop out and kill some people from another religion. After all, there's plenty of stuff about smoting and stoning in the Bible and generally western people dont feel the need to smote and stone.

^^

There.

Or to recap...............

Duke: Islam is really bad!

Snake: Maybe we could discuss some of your other views

Duke: Islam is really really bad!

Snake: Ok. If you don't have anything else to discuss, forget it

Duke: Islam is really really bad and you are ignorant.

Snake: I'm not ignorant and I wanted to hear your other views

Duke: Well then, would you like to talk about how Islam is bad?

Snake: No.

[trisherina]

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

Duke, this is interesting. Do you consider that perhaps politics and economics play a part in eastern dissatisfaction with the West? And that possibly jihadism is a tool to manipulate that dissatisfaction for political and economic gain?

I have always found it hard to swallow that a group of prosperous and enfranchised people suddenly decide that it would be a great idea to pop out and kill some people from another religion. After all, there's plenty of stuff about smoting and stoning in the Bible and generally western people dont feel the need to smote and stone.

Dammit, and I was just about to smite something.

FWIW, I thought this was a very polite effort to draw you out, Duke.

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

^^

There.

Or to recap...............

Duke: Islam is really bad!

Snake: Maybe we could discuss some of your other views

Duke: Islam is really really bad!

Snake: Ok. If you don't have anything else to discuss, forget it

Duke: Islam is really really bad and you are ignorant.

Snake: I'm not ignorant and I wanted to hear your other views

Duke: Well then, would you like to talk about how Islam is bad?

Snake: No.

Now really ,. You and I both know that I never said that , but of course you did ....just recently !


I said this :

It's religion

I don't think it's the politics , because in most of the hard line Islamic countries the Mullah is the boss ..he doesn't get elected by people , he appoints himself in the name of Alah ...

It's self inflicted Poverty :

I do consider the fact that most of these countries are dirt poor , under-educated and stressed out by various factors of tyranny and serfdom .

It's unconditional control and submission :

You see uneducated people will always allow others who appoint themselves to think and act for them , this syndrome of responsibility by proxy grows from a weak social system where higher education takes a back seat to superstition and myths.

Then there is valid comparison by view:

What we have here are in the west are a group , or shall we say a society of hard working , highly educated enfranchised people who are busily debating about whether they should defend themselves from an onslaught by a group of bloodthirsty Disenfrachised Cro-Magnons who's belief is that their way is the only way , and we accomodate them about this in lieu to actually planning a solid defense first and offering them our help second .

Then some personal BS I should have left out but because I lead men not to find me , but instead to find themselves , soooo I just couldn't resist :

You may not know this but I Coach Footbal ,and having been among the Champs , I came to find out at an early stage that indeed the best offense is a very good and integer Defense

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Then the right of choice of course :

Of course this debate can be seen in many different ways , as it takes place everywhere in the west.

This unwanted , and unpopular War for example was not something just suddenly decided , but grew out of repeated acts of failed diplomacy spanning six US administrations Carter's was the administration that broke the camels back.

And now the substance YOU can find written in black and white in the unholy Quran , by Bakhari under Suras 2 through 9 , remember they are saying what mostly amounts to this , not I :

The same culture or civilization if you want to call it that , is attempting to destroy our Democracy.
They will not listen to any form of reason coming from us , nor will they make any concessions or compromises to allow for our two civilizations of alter beliefs to coincide in any form of peace , unless that peace means that we don the yoke , pay Jizyah and become their infidel slaves .

Again a Comparison and some mild advice:

Surely there is plenty of smite and smote in the old bible (Old Testament ), but when was the last time you heard any Christian , or preacher , or even the Pope holler "Glory Be to God let's cut off all their heads and drink their blood for they are no good and do not believe as we do." ?

Jesus never ever said that , in fact he said exactly the opposite ....

Only I am sorry to say , Jesus is not here to save us now ....He gave us the Tools ....of which I am 100% convinced he learned his philosophies under the tutelage of the Confucions..No I think we are going to have to come together as one western world and think and act our way through this ...

And lastly the plain old simple truth :

THere is no Kiss and Make up coming from Usama ben Ladin ,and the Mullahs , so the choices are extremely limited to us !


I say Confront them , tell them who we are , what we stand for , and that we aren't going to change for them ..they on the other do not have to change for us .

Simply put, " all violence from all sides must be condemned and stopped , but it takes two to tango , nobody will be allowed to dance alone at this contest.

We may have to reform our view of Islam indeed , and Islam will certainly have to reform their view of the rest of the world , the non Islamic world !

I would like to add that I never considered you to be an ignorant person , nor am I about to begin thinking of you as ignorant ...maybe just a little confused which is perfectly normal by all standards ...just look at the world today and it's easy to know why misunderstandings are commonplace .

I hope I explained myself to the fullest of your understanding , because I know we both don't wear the same pair of sunglasses ..do you know that ?

[The Duke]

Originally Posted by Stephi_B

I still like tovarishch Mikhail Gorbachyov, because he made it possible for us Germans to tear down that wall!
(Mr. "Star Wars" Reagan I always thought quite a sympatico uncle when I saw him on telly as a kid- but do you really think that Gorbi did what he did just because of Reagan's balls? I don't. But of course that all belongs to the American mythos of "winning the Cold war" and I don't wanna take away your delight, proudness and all - BUT actually you're still fighting it, against mistakes Reagan and predecessors made by 'allying with Lucifer against Satan'...)

Mythos ?

Stephie you should know better , are you still standing on a bread line today Babe ?

there is no mythos about the cold war , it was an economic war that brought the Soviet Union to the poor house ...and the USA was only the cab driver delivering them to their self prescribed destination.

Yes thats right sweetie Ronny Raygun-(zap) worked for Yellow Cab .....and Drove Gorby downtown to skid row for a tour that Gorby didn't like .

and Reganomics was partly the coup de grace' that put the USSR under for the final time ....thats no mythos sweetie , just look it up if you don't believe me .

[Stephi_B]

Originally Posted by The Duke

Mythos ?

Stephie you should know better , are you still standing on a bread line today Babe ?

there is no mythos about the cold war , it was an economic war that brought the Soviet Union to the poor house ...and the USA was only the cab driver delivering them to their self prescribed destination.

Yes thats right sweetie Ronny Raygun-(zap) worked for Yellow Cab .....and Drove Gorby downtown to skid row for a tour that Gorby didn't like .

and Reganomics was partly the coup de grace' that put the USSR under for the final time ....thats no mythos sweetie , just look it up if you don't believe me .

How often exactly did we had that discussion now? (Btw, I never stood in any bread line as an original West German, East Germans neither did, they stood in lines for exotic fruits and other not-life-essential goods - what you mean sounds more like Ceauşescu's Romania)

I repeat: The Cold War (am speaking not in economic terms and you know that) is not yet won - watch the news. Al Quaida & Co. are the direct product of American/Western politics pre-1989.

You do some reading on Gorbi!

[House,M.D.]

Guess I Won't Have Mama Moonbat to Kick Around Anymore

Why do you need her, or anyone else, to kick around?

and naturally , the Horse pills will do just fine for the ever flapping disbelieving moonbats who want nothing more than shoot the messenger, and dominate free speech

And your idea of exercising free speech is to name call and demean others? Or are you simply a bully in search of a fight?