Justice for Julia

[12"razormix]

i can't help but wonder: what exactly did you celebrate, klynne?

[michaelG]

Originally Posted by 12"razormix

i can't help but wonder: what exactly did you celebrate, klynne?

I must respectfully ask the same thing. I never understood the passion with which people seek vengeance on another person. What does one celebrate ?

What does one say at a post-sentencing celebration?

"Wow, great job counselor, really hit that one out of the park !!! "

there is also something unsettling about the parties attending the 'celebration' --sounds like a modern day lynch mob--

[madasacutsnake]

I think they should have let him go and had a great big party about how forgiving they are and how now he's going to be able to get on with his life. Woohoo!

[Klynne]

Originally Posted by 12"razormix

i can't help but wonder: what exactly did you celebrate, klynne?

We celebrated that a man was convicted of murdering his wife when she was trying to leave him.

He knocked her out, fracturing her skull, strangled her with a belt, and dumped her nude body along the freeway. Their 18 month old son was present the whole time.

Prior to him murdering her, he beat the crap out of her. She suffered insomnia, but could not take her sleeping pills because she would wake up in the morning with semen and vomit on her chest.

She could not talk to her parents on her home phone. He monitored her every move. She could only talk to her parents from her work phone. When she left the house she had to call and report her every move. I think she, truly loved her husband, and wanted to work it out for the sake of their child. She called her mother two days before she was murdered and told her to "get my room ready, I'm coming home". She was 23 when he killed her.

He beat his first wife and held her captive for two days. When he discovered that she had escaped, he went to the bank, cleaned out the accounts and filed for divorce.

I have not even touched the tip of the ice berg here.

I apolgize if anyone is offended that after the verdict we were happy. But we were and an evil person has been taken off the streets never to hurt another woman again.

[michaelG]

Originally Posted by Klynne

We celebrated that a man was convicted of murdering his wife when she was trying to leave him.

He knocked her out, fracturing her skull, strangled her with a belt, and dumped her nude body along the freeway. Their 18 month old son was present the whole time.

Prior to him murdering her, he beat the crap out of her. She suffered insomnia, but could not take her sleeping pills because she would wake up in the morning with semen and vomit on her chest.

She could not talk to her parents on her home phone. He monitored her every move. She could only talk to her parents from her work phone. When she left the house she had to call and report her every move. I think she, truly loved her husband, and wanted to work it out for the sake of their child. She called her mother two days before she was murdered and told her to "get my room ready, I'm coming home". She was 23 when he killed her.

He beat his first wife and held her captive for two days. When he discovered that she had escaped, he went to the bank, cleaned out the accounts and filed for divorce.

I have not even touched the tip of the ice berg here.

I apolgize if anyone is offended that after the verdict we were happy. But we were and an evil person has been taken off the streets never to hurt another woman again.

Seems her family should be charged for failure to save her life, clearly there was sufficient warning of an impending disaster. The only one I truly feel sorry for is her child.

[MoJoRiSin]

I have another take on it
ask any policeman
how many of his middle of the night calls
do not involve
drugs or alcohol
close knit tribes celebrate together
they do not get drunk in front of the tube with the baby crying in the other room

[Avalon]

Seems her family should be charged for failure to save her life, clearly there was sufficient warning of an impending disaster. The only one I truly feel sorry for is her child.

Obviously you are unaware of the women and children hunted down relentlessly, who have gone from shelter to shelter, hidden by family, only to be found and murdered anyway...sometimes the family or shelter personnel being targeted as well for providing safe haven.

Should Jennifer Hudson be prosecuted for her family's death? The lived in a rough neighborhood; she asked them to move, they refused, they died. This is her fault? What thought process do you use when you make these statements?

This is especially delicate territory into which you're stepping. Or, it would be if anyone one believed you were black, respectful, or sorry.

[Klynne]

Originally Posted by michaelG

Seems her family should be charged for failure to save her life, clearly there was sufficient warning of an impending disaster. The only one I truly feel sorry for is her child.

Perhaps you do not understand abused women. They tend to hide their abuse from their families. They had some idea, but did not know the extent. She did not tell them everything, nor was allowed much contact with them. She loved Tim, tried to make him change but it did not work. Believe me, they did not know the extent of his cruelty. They were concerned about his controlling behaivor. What were they suppose to do? Julia was a legal adult. So, I find your statement to be a little unfair.

[michaelG]

Originally Posted by Klynne

Perhaps you do not understand abused women. They tend to hide their abuse from their families. They had some idea, but did not know the extent. She did not tell them everything, nor was allowed much contact with them. She loved Tim, tried to make him change but it did not work. Believe me, they did not know the extent of his cruelty. They were concerned about his controlling behaivor. What were they suppose to do? Julia was a legal adult. So, I find your statement to be a little unfair.

It would seem, given the level of control he exerted and her call to ask that they prepare a room for her, everyone was aware there was nothing less than a serious threat to her well being. Her life was simply wasted, and she could have been helped if anyone had taken the time to know the man's history and been aware of the warning signs of extreme domestic abuse.

That's all I am saying. I really feel sorry for the child, as he will never understand why someone did not save his mother despite her self-deceptive hope that her man would change.


Perhaps the celebration helped them rid themselves of the guilt the family can not help but be dealing with.

[Brynn]

You must be a lot of fun at funerals.

[Klynne]

Originally Posted by michaelG

It would seem, given the level of control he exerted and her call to ask that they prepare a room for her, everyone was aware there was nothing less than a serious threat to her well being. Her life was simply wasted, and she could have been helped if anyone had taken the time to know the man's history and been aware of the warning signs of extreme domestic abuse.

That's all I am saying. I really feel sorry for the child, as he will never understand why someone did not save his mother despite her self-deceptive hope that her man would change.


Perhaps the celebration helped them rid themselves of the guilt the family can not help but be dealing with.

I hear you. But, I ask you, what would you do if you were in their situation? You have an adult child, and you have some sense of what is happening but not the complete picture. Would you talk to her? They did. Would you hold her against her will, to keep her away from this man? I am sure they wanted to, but that is kidnapping. Can you even imagine how powerless they felt?

Really, what would you have done under these circumstances?

I am not asking you this to be argumentative, but really, what would you have done?

[michaelG]

Originally Posted by Klynne

I hear you. But, I ask you, what would you do if you were in their situation? You have an adult child, and you have some sense of what is happening but not the complete picture. Would you talk to her? They did. Would you hold her against her will, to keep her away from this man? I am sure they wanted to, but that is kidnapping. Can you even imagine how powerless they felt?

Really, what would you have done under these circumstances?

I am not asking you this to be argumentative, but really, what would you have done?

If I had a daughter I would think I would know her well and would do anything possible to help her if I sensed she was being harmed.


Obviously these people did not know this was going to happen as any parent would surrender their lives for their child's. I surely would not fear a psychotic abuser and would probably have killed him in order to protect my daughter. At minimum I would speak to the husband in order to get a better grasp of the situation.