(The new world order.)

[grumpybumpas]

Before we can build a new world order we must first destroy the present one and it's many God's.

[Stephi_B]

Hey, hey.... slow.... my gods and demons have no problem with new world orders -- only I have if such a world order promises to be crap: totalitarian, fascho, theocratic, .... in short: inhumane

And destruction is usually not the best method of change (you destroy the good just like the bad of an old system!), transformation is better.

And now let's fukk off from lovely Frieda's forum .... or transform this thread into something freeform funkalicious to please the local goddess

[Frieda]

no, no-- i actually agree with grumpybumpas about the destruction of gods but this raises another question:

how do you destroy a god?

[Stephi_B]

There are real man-made gods -- money, status symbols, say -- whose worship can be destroyed (cp. that golden calf story in the ole book)

And then there are, mmh, how to call them, man-shaped gods, in which existent nature forces, immaterial qualities (beauty, vengence, love, ....) and/or the whole way the universe runs are personified, I think there you only can "destroy" the personification and no-good forms of worship (sacrifices which demand more than some symbolic drink / food / gift / song / dance items; say blood sacrifice or ritual self-torture -- physical or psychic).

Imo, not gods are a problem, but (some or some more of) the man-made orgs / rituals around them, just like money is not the problem, but mishandling it.

[Frieda]

well, money is also a problem in case you do not possess any and the outer world requires some on a regular basis. Schrödinger's principle does not work on money, because we know for sure that if we don't see it (like in the bank, or in stocks) it's definitely not there (or not worth anything anymore).


back to gods-- in Terry Pratchett's Discworld gods cease to exist or are limited in their powers when nobody believes in them anymore. but if you destroy the icons without destroying faith, story mystifying will take place and things become more sacred.

pretty complicated.

[Stephi_B]

Yeah, just stopping to belief in them was also my first thought, but that should only work if the gods were initially the product of people believing in them (so mere fantasy 100% rational people would say), so no absolute gods kinda which exist on and from their own. But only heaven knows if there's something like (an) absolute god(s)....

[12"razormix]

Originally Posted by Stephi_B

if the gods were initially the product of people believing in them

they are.

[Stephi_B]

^Then all is simple! (or not, for maybe this thinking up of gods sits inside the human brain's chemistry)

[12"razormix]

Originally Posted by Stephi_B

maybe this thinking up of gods sits inside the human brain's chemistry

it does.

[Stephi_B]

I think up cool gods then, who like Wein, Weib & Gesang and are not interested in the intimate life of their followers as long as they get their sacrifices in form of sacred Nutella

[Frieda]

personally, i like the concept of Terry Pratchett's Discworld's goddess Anoia:

quoted from Wikipedia:
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Anoia
The minor goddess of Things That Stick in Drawers, Anoia is praised by rattling a drawer and crying "How can it close on the damned thing but not open with it? Who bought this? Do we ever use it?" She also eats corkscrews and is responsible for Things Down The Backs of Sofas, and is considering moving into stuck zips. The Maccalariat family of Ankh-Morpork have been Anoians for five generations. She is not part of the number of gods praised at the Temple of Small Gods, but instead has a freelance priestess who also serves for various other minor deities.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_gods

i hail to this goddess often, usually because of a pineapple cutter problem, which means that she exists. or something


now let's think about this:
if it only takes two people to create new life, how many people does it take to create a deity?

[MoJoRiSin]

mo's game

[Hyakujo's Fox]

The trickiest gods to kill are the ones you don't realise you believe in.

[MoJoRiSin]

i beg your pardon ?

[MoJoRiSin]

up until yesterday and today there were a few
that had no idea what that word mean t

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/te...h/12pogue.html

however, all that has changed