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Old 02-15-2005, 07:41 PM   #1
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If you have any questions regarding Christian faith, I will provide an answer to the best of my understanding and knowledge. This thread is not about converting those who choose not to believe, but instead provide a better understanding into the Christian faith. I will be respectful to you and in return I expect everyone to show the same respect to whomever should decide to post. With any luck, we will all walk away with something more than what we started with. Enjoy.

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Old 02-15-2005, 08:06 PM   #2
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How do the Christian faithful, and the Christian faith itself reconcile the difference in lifestyle choices/examples set by the son of god/Jesus, i.e his simple life style of poverty and humility and his clearly demonstrated tollerance and compasion for classes of people that "mainstream" society found reprehensible, repulsive or unworthy of compassion, including sinners (let he who has no sin cast the first stone), Lepers, prostitutes (Mary Magdalene), foreigners (The good Samaritan), ...with the intollerance taught to christians currently in the name of Jesus, and the extravagant, luxurious almost pampered lifestyles of many, not all, Christian leaders.


Oh, and, why did Jesus love apostle John more than the others? I always wondered about that.
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:16 PM   #3
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i think its nice that you want to answer questions and such...im curious as to why you posted this ...thats my question
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Old 02-15-2005, 08:38 PM   #4
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oh...and...I suppose it would be helpful to know if you are an "expert" on Christianity or if your answers are a layman's understanding of his faith. Did you attend a bible college? Do you have credentials, or an enthusiastic amateur? It would be helpful to know that to guage how much salt to add to our reading of your answers.

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Old 02-15-2005, 09:21 PM   #5
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Yeah. Tell us more on Luther's views about the transmogrification of communion. Please.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:43 PM   #6
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Yeah. Tell us more on Luther's views about the transmogrification of communion. Please.
I personally believe in Calvin's view.

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Old 02-16-2005, 01:08 AM   #7
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:29 PM   #8
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i think its nice that you want to answer questions and such...im curious as to why you posted this ...thats my question
I enjoy discussing the topic and thought I could clear up a few misunderstandings about Christians in general. I would do the same for anything that I was interested in.

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oh...and...I suppose it would be helpful to know if you are an "expert" on Christianity or if your answers are a layman's understanding of his faith. Did you attend a bible college? Do you have credentials, or an enthusiastic amateur? It would be helpful to know that to guage how much salt to add to our reading of your answers.

Thanks, in advance.
I don't see how it really matters, but yes, I am a student of Christianity. As far as an "expert" goes, who can really honestly say that they are? I am always learning, searching for answers and that's is how I go about everything. Once you close your mind to the world around you, you limit your knowledge of it and therefor can't really grow as a person. You should take everything with a grain of salt no matter who they say they are. Make your own decisions. I'm just here to express what I learned thus far.

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Old 02-15-2005, 10:45 PM   #9
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I don't see how it really matters
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It's like me saying "I've read a book about thallium, ask me anything about it".
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Old 08-25-2005, 05:31 PM   #10
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That's funny because the pharasee's (spelling) were also experts...remember what jebus said about them? Huh?


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Old 08-25-2005, 09:01 PM   #11
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Yeah, he said they were like white-washed tombs. I think he also called them a "brood of vipers." It pissed him off because the prideful Pharisees placed all these heavy burdens on the people to fulfill every single jot and tittle of all the complicated Jewish laws about every aspect of their lives (diet, cleanliness, sacrificial offerings, strict observance of special days and yearly cycles) but had no mercy, love or forgiveness in their own hearts.

They take an especially heavy hit in Jesus' parable about the good Samaritan. One of them crosses the road to avoid a wounded man, ultimately leaving him in a ditch to die, for all he knew. Jesus pointed out that it took a despised, "unclean" Samaritan to do the right thing - beautifully cutting through the dogma and religiosity to illustrate that it doesn't really matter how you worship God - that God is pleased and glorified by these acts of kindness no matter who is performing them.

I think it was a Pharisee, anyway. Not being an expert, I'm far too lazy to check on it right this moment. I prefer to just shoot my mouth off, thanks.
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Old 02-15-2005, 10:05 PM   #12
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Let me first apologize for misspelling Christianity in the title of this thread. My studies keep me up really late and as you will find, I will mispell important words from time to time. You should hear me try to talk after 24 hours of no sleep. It isn't very pretty.

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How do the Christian faithful, and the Christian faith itself reconcile the difference in lifestyle choices/examples set by the son of god/Jesus, i.e his simple life style of poverty and humility and his clearly demonstrated tollerance and compasion for classes of people that "mainstream" society found reprehensible, repulsive or unworthy of compassion, including sinners (let he who has no sin cast the first stone), Lepers, prostitutes (Mary Magdalene), foreigners (The good Samaritan), ...with the intollerance taught to christians currently in the name of Jesus, and the extravagant, luxurious almost pampered lifestyles of many, not all, Christian leaders.


Oh, and, why did Jesus love apostle John more than the others? I always wondered about that.
It's a real shame that people misuse the Bible for their own benefit, whether it's on purpose or because of a lack of understanding. We are all children of God. I can not speak for every Christian, because even I don't agree with many of their opinions and how they like to interpret the Bible. I can only speak on behalf of myself. It is wrong to discriminate between gender, age, race, belief, sexual preference. I pesonally welcome differences. I may not agree with what people do, but I refuse to hate them for it. Different isn't wrong, it makes each one of us that more interesting.

I do not approve of those leaders of the church who take advantage of others good will by misusing the money collected for anything other than living expenses. Anything extra should be used to help others. They're priorities are wrong and they don't appear to be fully understanding the Bible, and because of that, shouldn't be teaching it.

With my studies, I have yet to find where it states that Jesus says specifically that He loves John more than anyone else. It is assumed because Jesus confided in Peter, James and John the most (Matt 17:1-9) and John himself referred to himself as such in his own gospel (John 13:23-25; 19:26; 27; 20:2-8; 21:7; 20). John is only human and we all would like to be our Father's favorite. I think he may have viewed himself as such, so that's what he wrote. It can not be determined that he was so.

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Oh, and, why did Jesus love apostle John more than the others? I always wondered about that.
(Jesus the Christ.)

Master teacher,master carpenter and reported to be the son of God.

Not reported to have ever written anything with no one on earth having any idea as to what he may have looked like.

(Jesus the Christ.)

Man,myth or legend?
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:04 PM   #15
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2 things on the subject:

1) I just watched "The Rapture" (Mimi Rogers and Dave Duchovny) this very very very early morning (the TV was on and I was too sleepy to get up and turn it off and then I got hooked ). It was fascinating and disturbing. Showed the thought processes of someone discovering a Christian belief system, and following them through an actual depiction of what the Rapture might be like. It wasn't a perfect movie, but I thought it tried to be really even-handed, even though it seemed to be leaning on the side of "God exists". And there was some *damn* good acting in it.

2) I was in Safeway today in the veggie section and there were a bunch of people hovering over the gorgeous peaches ( $.69 a pound! ) One of them said something about "the perfume God puts in them".

I don't really believe in an anthropomorphic God. I kind of believe in an exquisite, chaotic balancing energy tho', something that takes a little away here and gives a little there according to choices we ("we" being every living thing in the universe) make - also things like asteroids bouncing off each other. (I call it God sometimes, if I'm in the presence of people who seem to need that label put on it.) Having said that, I kind of like living in a world where people make up stories about someone adding peach perfume to a fruit, even if it doesn't seem to me to be true. It's like a joke everyone knows, and you just say the punch line, and it lifts everyone's spirits, like peach perfume.
I wish we could all just be nice to each other without believing in a fairy tale, that it would be enough to enjoy seeing other people happy and well without doing nice things because you think you're going to get some great reward or nasty punishment later, but more because you realize that every one of your actions affects *everything*, kind of like that commercial where people smiling at each other begets more smiling which begets even more smiling and pleasantness.
It seems to me that just taking responsibility for your actions, good or bad, and making good choices, makes more difference than anything else in life. One of the reasons why religion doesn't work seems to be because of an idea that God forgives all sins, which a lot of people seem to interpret that no matter what they do, they're forgiven if they believe in and love God. And then they get to go to this neat place when they die - but *you* don't. It leads to feelings of righteousness and entitlement; it leads to rationalizing that you aren't strong enough to take responsibility to make changes, both within and out in the world, by yourself, or rationalizing that "God/Satan told me to do it" for any number of heinous acts. I personally struggle with taking responsibility for my actions and my life enough anyway, but at least I don't make up a story that "God isn't finished with me yet" - it's that I have more work to do on myself and more work to do in general. And I don't know what happens after we die - but I kind of think I don't have any control over it so I'm not going to worry about it.
I'm not saying that everyone who's religious indulges in this kind of stuff - I know there are some truly magnificent religious people out there. I just wish there wasn't this misinformation being fed to people that keeps them from really engaging in reality. And I've known enough religious people to know that most of them aren't any better people and are often more downright awful than some devout atheists. Some of which are awful too.

This weekend I was walking down the street and I just happened to be walking by a homeless woman who was sitting slumped over on a bus stop bench, and had leaned over so far that it looked like she was about to fall on her head onto the sidewalk. I walked over to her and gently put my hand under her shoulder and lifted her, as she lifted her head with a startled look on her face, I said, "Don't fall over!" She seemed awake then, and I walked on, feeling sort of foolish, very conflicted and like maybe I had overstepped a boundary. And then I thought, better to have overstepped a boundary than to have her fall on her head; better that I happened along just then! Even if I did feel dumb for saying "Don't fall over!" Like, who am I to tell her not to fall over? Dumb non-homeless white chick. :\
Now I'm thinking - I wonder how many people, who are genuinely good people, would have walked by thinking maybe it would be overstepping a boundary to have helped. How many people would think, "God will take care of her" or something like that... not realizing that maybe, in their terms, God *put* them there at that moment to help! (Oooh! or put her there to give them an opportunity to help and feel good?) I'm also thinking, maybe I could go a few steps out of my way soon, instead of just doing things as they present themselves. I don't know. That was very easy.

Okay! enough rambling. I guess all of this was just to say, believe in God, don't believe in God - whatevah. Just don't be an asshole.
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