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Old 09-09-2003, 05:12 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Impeach Bush!!

Santa Cruz to ask Congress to consider impeaching Bush

By MARTHA MENDOZA, AP National Writer
Last Updated 1:05 p.m. PDT Tuesday, September 9, 2003

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. (AP) - The Santa Cruz City Council is considering becoming the first local government in the country to ask Congress to look into impeaching President Bush.
"It seems to us as lay people and elected officials that Bush has committed impeachable offenses," Vice Mayor Scott Kennedy said Tuesday


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Old 09-09-2003, 05:30 PM   #2
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Hey, I read that article as well, zenbabe. I’m all for it. Oust the destroyers and userpers! Bush wasn’t even elected in the first place! He went ahead with a war that I opposed! Now, we’re in this bad situation and will have to pay $87B for continued involvement in Iraq. That price will escalate, I’m sure.

How much safer are we, after all this? I don’t feel any safer. Do you think the PATRIOT act will save us?

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Old 09-09-2003, 05:39 PM   #3
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what exactly is the patriot act?
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Old 09-09-2003, 05:55 PM   #4
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What the acronym stands for:
USA PATRIOT Act= Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act

Purpose:
The USA PATRIOT Act_increases the scope of law enforcement's surveillance and investigative powers.

Rationale:
We need better security so that there isn’t a second 9/11. In particular, intelligence and law enforcement powers should be strengthened.

Issues:
We’re spied on by the government. The databases used for criminal intelligence are faulty. Potential for misuse of power by authorities.
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Old 09-09-2003, 05:59 PM   #5
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okay, thanks!

on what grounds can a president be impeached?
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Old 09-09-2003, 07:30 PM   #6
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on what grounds can a president be impeached?
One of the most prominent aspects of the Constitution in recent years is the section of the Constitution that allows the President to be impeached. The word impeach simply means charge (an official) with an offence whilst in public office. But it is a highly loaded word, both politically and emotionally. The Constitution actually says nothing specific about under what circumstances anyone can be impeached. It simply defines the final process - that of the trial and penalties.

Article 3, section 2.3 of the Constitution lays down that all crimes shall be tried by jury, except in cases of impeachment and Article 1, section 3.6 provides that only the Senate may try an impeachment. They must be under oath (or affirmation) to do so, and to be found guilty under this process there must be a vote of two-thirds of the Senate. In the event of the President being tried, 3.6 requires that the house be presided over by the Chief Justice, to avoid the conflict of having the Vice President, who would normally preside.

Should the trial be successful, section 3.7 defines the maximum penalties that the Senate can impose. These are limited basically removal from office, and disqualification from holding any official office, although it doesn't preclude a criminal trial.

Article 2, section 4, requires that the President, Vice President, and all civil officers, must be removed from office if they are impeached, and then convicted of, "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors".

So what does all this mean in reality. Well, impeachment is simply the process by which the individual can be charged with an offence - they are innocent until proven guilty. And it also doesn't mean that they will be removed from office. It simply means that they will face a formal trial in the Senate.

Impeachment proceedings can be brought for any offence - there is no requirement in the Constitution that it can only be for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors"; these are merely the circumstances under which removal from office is obligatory - although, because the process is so cumbersome and time-consuming, it is rarely used and is limited to "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors".

The whole business of impeachment gave those writing the Constitution no end of headaches. There was a strong voice saying that it was unwise to allow the President to be impeached, because it would make him too dependent on the (partisan) legislature, particularly as, at that time, they were the people that elected him in the first place. But Benjamin Franklin disagreed, suggesting that impeachment was better than the alternative - assassination! His view prevailed, although they further struggled over the wording of the conditions for removal from office - in the first draft, it was "neglect of duty, bribery, maladministration and corruption".

States also have impeachment processes built into their local constitutions, and these too provide for removal from office in the event of a successful impeachment. The only exception is Oregon.
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Old 09-09-2003, 07:55 PM   #7
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hahahaha, you can't impeach me! I have all the precious oil, and it's mine all mine!

[Federal Register: May 28, 2003 (Volume 68, Number 102)]
[Presidential Documents]
[Page 31929-31932]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr28my03-98]


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Part VIII



The President



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Executive Order 13303--Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and
Certain Other Property in Which Iraq Has an Interest


Presidential Documents



__________________________________________________ _________________

Title 3--
The President

[[Page 31931]]

Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003


Protecting the Development Fund for Iraq and
Certain Other Property in Which Iraq Has an Interest

By the authority vested in me as President by the
Constitution and the laws of the United States of
America, including the International Emergency Economic
Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)
(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601
et seq.), section 5 of the United Nations Participation
Act, as amended (22 U.S.C. 287c) (UNPA), and section
301 of title 3, United States Code,

I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of
America, find that the threat of attachment or other
judicial process against the Development Fund for Iraq,
Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and interests
therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any financial
instruments of any nature whatsoever arising from or
related to the sale or marketing thereof, and interests
therein, obstructs the orderly reconstruction of Iraq,
the restoration and maintenance of peace and security
in the country, and the development of political,
administrative, and economic institutions in Iraq. This
situation constitutes an unusual and extraordinary
threat to the national security and foreign policy of
the United States and I hereby declare a national
emergency to deal with that threat.

I hereby order:

Section 1. Unless licensed or otherwise authorized
pursuant to this order, any attachment, judgment,
decree, lien, execution, garnishment, or other judicial
process is prohibited, and shall be deemed null and
void, with respect to the following:

(a) the Development Fund for Iraq, and
(b) all Iraqi petroleum and petroleum products, and
interests therein, and proceeds, obligations, or any
financial instruments of any nature whatsoever arising
from or related to the sale or marketing thereof, and
interests therein, in which any foreign country or a
national thereof has any interest, that are in the
United States, that hereafter come within the United
States, or that are or hereafter come within the
possession or control of United States persons.

Sec. 2. (a) As of the effective date of this order,
Executive Order 12722 of August 2, 1990, Executive
Order 12724 of August 9, 1990, and Executive Order
13290 of March 20, 2003, shall not apply to the
property and interests in property described in section
1 of this order.

(b) Nothing in this order is intended to affect the
continued effectiveness of any rules, regulations,
orders, licenses or other forms of administrative
action issued, taken, or continued in effect heretofore
or hereafter under Executive Orders 12722, 12724, or
13290, or under the authority of IEEPA or the UNPA,
except as hereafter terminated, modified, or suspended
by the issuing Federal agency and except as provided in
section 2(a) of this order.

Sec. 3. For the purposes of this order:

(a) The term ``person'' means an individual or
entity;
(b) The term ``entity'' means a partnership,
association, trust, joint venture, corporation, group,
subgroup, or other organization;
(c) The term ``United States person'' means any
United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity
organized under the laws of the United

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States or any jurisdiction within the United States
(including foreign branches), or any person in the
United States;
(d) The term ``Iraqi petroleum and petroleum
products'' means any petroleum, petroleum products, or
natural gas originating in Iraq, including any Iraqi-
origin oil inventories, wherever located; and
(e) The term ``Development Fund for Iraq'' means
the fund established on or about May 22, 2003, on the
books of the Central Bank of Iraq, by the Administrator
of the Coalition Provisional Authority responsible for
the temporary governance of Iraq and all accounts held
for the fund or for the Central Bank of Iraq in the
name of the fund.

Sec. 4. (a) The Secretary of the Treasury, in
consultation with the Secretary of State and the
Secretary of Defense, is hereby authorized to take such
actions, including the promulgation of rules and
regulations, and to employ all powers granted to the
President by IEEPA and the UNPA as may be necessary to
carry out the purposes of this order. The Secretary of
the Treasury may redelegate any of these functions to
other officers and agencies of the United States
Government. All agencies of the United States
Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate
measures within their statutory authority to carry out
the provisions of this order.

(b) Nothing contained in this order shall relieve a
person from any requirement to obtain a license or
other authorization in compliance with applicable laws
and regulations.

Sec. 5. This order is not intended to, and does not,
create any right, benefit, or privilege, substantive or
procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party
against the United States, its departments, agencies,
entities, officers, employees, or agents, or any other
person.

Sec. 6. This order shall be transmitted to the Congress
and published in the Federal Register.

(Presidential Sig.)B

THE WHITE HOUSE,

May 22, 2003.

[FR Doc. 03-13412
Filed 5-23-03; 11:28 am]

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Old 09-09-2003, 08:07 PM   #8
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ok Monkeyboy......

I think that starting a war against a country that never threatened the US, and using fabricated evidence to do so is definitely an impeachable offense! I think all of us should lobby our members of Congress to call for Bush's impeachment, and, take it one step further than that and call for his indictment before an international court for war crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

This came from an interview with a former Nixon staffer on CNN.

(CNN) -- Critics of President Bush are asking whether his administration exaggerated reports about Iraqi weapons in order to build a case for war. CNN anchor Anderson Cooper talks to John Dean, a Nixon administration official who was jailed for his role in the Watergate scandal and has written an essay asking whether Bush could be impeached.

COOPER: John, thanks very much for being with us. For those who haven't seen this essay, this is a quote from an article that appeared on FindLaw, the legal Web site. In it you say "If Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he's cooked. Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be "a high crime" under the Constitution's impeachment clause." Do you stand by that?

DEAN: I do indeed. I don't think anyone would really question that. If you look at the history of impeachment, if you look at what happened to Richard Nixon, let's just back up for a minute. One of the things that the House Impeachment Committee had put in the article -- the proposed articles of impeachment against Nixon -- was his misuse of the CIA and the FBI.

There were also any number of people charged during Watergate with felonies for misusing the agencies of government. There's a very broad ... criminal statute in the federal law that prohibits people in the White House from influencing or improperly obstructing the way an agency is normally functioning.

COOPER: Excuse me. The use of intelligence is sort of a tricky thing. I mean, intelligence often is vague, some of it can be very specific, but some of it is open to interpretation, and there is a lot of room for interpretation. What do you need to hear ... make up your mind either way?

DEAN: Well, there's no question that I've been in the business of evaluating intelligence. It is an art as well as a science, and a craft as well as getting the good data.

But what we have here is a situation where, if the CIA, which has a very clear statutory mandate as to what they're to do, and it says they're to interpret the national intelligence and do it in a way that they do not do it under the influence of politics. It's right in the statute. If there's been a political influence on their decision-making, that's when I think you get in trouble.

COOPER: But once the CIA, which is basically a reporting agency, has given over the intelligence to those who are making decisions, how that intelligence is interpreted, is frankly out of CIA's hands and is also open to interpretation?

DEAN: That's true. When you get that you've got a real question that comes up. Do you base your policy on intelligence, or is your intelligence used selectively to support your policy when it's a predetermined decision?

We had the impression -- after I lined up all those quotes of Mr. Bush -- that he was very clearly relying on intelligence to take us to war.

Now, what I'm saying is we don't know the answers to these questions. We won't get the answers for a while, but we've at least started the process. And I'm telling you if you get to the end of the line and you find manipulation of intelligence, that's when you get into the very troublesome area.

COOPER: And we will wait and see. John Dean, thank you very much for being with us. Appreciate it.
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Old 09-09-2003, 08:19 PM   #9
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There's something to be said about a man who uses the significant resources of a superpower to fulfill a personal agenda.
And it would all make my mother blush.

Face of an Angel, Mouth of a Sailor.

I think by the time he's impeached, it will be time for his f*cking brother to re-elect his sorry ass. Grrrrrrrr.
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that would be so killer if they kicked his ass to the curb!!!
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Old 09-09-2003, 10:29 PM   #11
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well, we all agree, then…

Does anyone think we shouldn’t impeach Bush?

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I would rather have a smartass than a dumbass ...now back to the issue......


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Old 09-10-2003, 02:23 AM   #14
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Angry !!

I knew it was bad news when the 2000 election was resting on Florida. God, what a nightmare! I can still remember, because the same day Bush became the great usurper, my cat Madison who I knew from kittenhood died.



What a f#¤Xing disaster.
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Call me crazy...

But I've never believed that Bush was in control.

I think if you wanted to get to the source of who's pulling all the strings, a better bet would be to impeach Cheney, Rumsfeld and the gang.

Plus, impeachment isn't really anything, remember, Clinton was impeached but remained in the White House.

Best bet would be get a candidate who's going to fix the situation in the ME (rather than shouting "bring our troops home" he should say, "I know how to fix this situation better than Bush, he started this, I know how to make it right) AND fix our economic woes at home.

I could get behind a candidate who says that.
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