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TruthSeeker · 07-24-2006, 01:00 AM

How does Israel really win this war with Hezbollah, or anybody else who wants to see Israel destroyed? That is the question I ask myself, and what I have found disturbs me to think it, but I don't see many other options out there that pose much hope for lasting peace. While I don't suggest that any of my thoughts have a place in todays world, I'll throw them out here for some thought. The only wars that are won are those where one side is the clear looser, and the other side is the clear winner. The best example of this is WWII. The tactics employed during WWII were brutal from all sides. One of the tactics used during WWII against Germany was carpet bombing. This included cities which had many civilians. Again in Japan we dropped two atomic bombs; killing thousands with a big bang. The point here is that the will to fight had been lost by our enemies. There is a huge psychological effect with these types of tactics. Of course these tactics find no room in todays word because of technology and the speed at which information is moved from one end of the globe to the other. How many of us would eat a steak if we had to watch the cow being killed and slaughtered? Well the same thing goes for the tactics of the past. Because will all get to see the dramatic effects of war, we have a tendency to loose our appetite for war. It is hard for many to support a war when they see the blood. The truth is, we were much more effective at winning the war when it was off the TV screen, and information moved at a snails pace.

So will Israel win peace through war? It will depend on how much will to fight is lost by their enemies. I have my doubts because the modern world wants their wars to be conducted with surgeon gloves.

I hope for peace, but there may need to be a lot of blood letting before the differences can be resolved.

trisherina · 07-24-2006, 01:16 AM

Isn't there a better wanking forum elsewhere?

Hyakujo's Fox · 07-24-2006, 01:47 AM

I say we parachute trish and snake in.

madasacutsnake · 07-24-2006, 02:27 AM

At first I was gob-smacked and then I remembered a classic post. So here goes.

The only wars that are won are those where one side is the clear looser, and the other side is the clear winner.

NO

The best example of this is WWII.

NO

The tactics employed during WWII were brutal from all sides. One of the tactics used during WWII against Germany was carpet bombing. This included cities which had many civilians. Again in Japan we dropped two atomic bombs; killing thousands with a big bang. The point here is that the will to fight had been lost by our enemies.

NO

There is a huge psychological effect with these types of tactics. Of course these tactics find no room in todays word because of technology and the speed at which information is moved from one end of the globe to the other.

NO

How many of us would eat a steak if we had to watch the cow being killed and slaughtered? Well the same thing goes for the tactics of the past. Because will all get to see the dramatic effects of war, we have a tendency to loose our appetite for war.

NO

It is hard for many to support a war when they see the blood. The truth is, we were much more effective at winning the war when it was off the TV screen, and information moved at a snails pace.

NO

So will Israel win peace through war? It will depend on how much will to fight is lost by their enemies.

NO

TruthSeeker · 07-24-2006, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madasacutsnake

At first I was gob-smacked and then I remembered a classic post. So here goes.

The only wars that are won are those where one side is the clear looser, and the other side is the clear winner.

NO

The best example of this is WWII.

NO

The tactics employed during WWII were brutal from all sides. One of the tactics used during WWII against Germany was carpet bombing. This included cities which had many civilians. Again in Japan we dropped two atomic bombs; killing thousands with a big bang. The point here is that the will to fight had been lost by our enemies.

NO

There is a huge psychological effect with these types of tactics. Of course these tactics find no room in todays word because of technology and the speed at which information is moved from one end of the globe to the other.

NO

How many of us would eat a steak if we had to watch the cow being killed and slaughtered? Well the same thing goes for the tactics of the past. Because will all get to see the dramatic effects of war, we have a tendency to loose our appetite for war.

NO

It is hard for many to support a war when they see the blood. The truth is, we were much more effective at winning the war when it was off the TV screen, and information moved at a snails pace.

NO

So will Israel win peace through war? It will depend on how much will to fight is lost by their enemies.

NO

If your only response is "NO", then why reply at all?

madasacutsnake · 07-24-2006, 04:14 AM

It did cross my mind to wonder the same....................

amanda · 07-31-2006, 10:59 PM

An interesting response from former prime minister of Lebanon, Michel Aoun

You'll kindly notice he mentions no bloodletting.

We have a responsibility, as well as the means, to do better than our ancestors. That's what studying history is for.

also, I think you mean "lose", not loose. It boggles my mind how many people get that wrong. Just remember you want a noose loose, but don't lose sight of it- keep one eye (or in this case, an "O") on it.

Hope this helps.

~a

Fiona · 07-31-2006, 11:28 PM

Middle East expert Juan Cole has a discussion of Hezbollah posted today that is worth a read.

http://http://www.juancole.com/2006/...d-israeli.html

Cheers,
Fiona

mugen · 08-18-2006, 12:35 AM

history has way of turning around so radically sometimes at the end of the day you feel like writing a check to pay your "stupid tax" without anyone asking you for it. Do you think? is it possible that in like a hundred or two hundred years from now or maybe much sooner there will be a memory of a holocaust against muslims by the jewish and christian world?
I pretty much think that is a very possible scenario. So what would we do in that case? build monuments and tell the muslims they can do whatever they want just to compensate for screwing them big time? No ofense to the jews but that is exactly what the last 50 years were for them.
I can only ask, why do we do it? maybe people like feeling guilty, maybe people like it when you feel guilty for them.
So anyway, I say leave this muslim people alone! before we have to start paying new debts. Let them be as they are, in tim they will decide to stop death penalty, stop jihad, let theyr women show a little skin and such but for now let's not try to "free" everybody. Ok?

Anna · 08-19-2006, 04:01 PM

wars are very profitable, if you know how and where to invest.
when there is sufficient damage,
peace is very profitable, if you know how and where to invest.

always room for jello

daverbee · 08-19-2006, 06:37 PM

Peace is not the absence of war.

07-24-2006, 02:27 AM	#19
madasacutsnake no more nice girl Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,054	At first I was gob-smacked and then I remembered a classic post. So here goes. The only wars that are won are those where one side is the clear looser, and the other side is the clear winner. NO The best example of this is WWII. NO The tactics employed during WWII were brutal from all sides. One of the tactics used during WWII against Germany was carpet bombing. This included cities which had many civilians. Again in Japan we dropped two atomic bombs; killing thousands with a big bang. The point here is that the will to fight had been lost by our enemies. NO There is a huge psychological effect with these types of tactics. Of course these tactics find no room in todays word because of technology and the speed at which information is moved from one end of the globe to the other. NO How many of us would eat a steak if we had to watch the cow being killed and slaughtered? Well the same thing goes for the tactics of the past. Because will all get to see the dramatic effects of war, we have a tendency to loose our appetite for war. NO It is hard for many to support a war when they see the blood. The truth is, we were much more effective at winning the war when it was off the TV screen, and information moved at a snails pace. NO So will Israel win peace through war? It will depend on how much will to fight is lost by their enemies. NO __________________ He really shatters the myth of white supremacy once and for all.

07-24-2006, 04:14 AM	#21
madasacutsnake no more nice girl Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5,054	It did cross my mind to wonder the same.................... __________________ He really shatters the myth of white supremacy once and for all.

07-31-2006, 11:28 PM	#23
Fiona Fiona Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 4	What is Hezbollah? Middle East expert Juan Cole has a discussion of Hezbollah posted today that is worth a read. http://http://www.juancole.com/2006/...d-israeli.html Cheers, Fiona

08-18-2006, 12:35 AM	#24
mugen monkey Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sofia, Bulgaria Posts: 15	history's turnovers history has way of turning around so radically sometimes at the end of the day you feel like writing a check to pay your "stupid tax" without anyone asking you for it. Do you think? is it possible that in like a hundred or two hundred years from now or maybe much sooner there will be a memory of a holocaust against muslims by the jewish and christian world? I pretty much think that is a very possible scenario. So what would we do in that case? build monuments and tell the muslims they can do whatever they want just to compensate for screwing them big time? No ofense to the jews but that is exactly what the last 50 years were for them. I can only ask, why do we do it? maybe people like feeling guilty, maybe people like it when you feel guilty for them. So anyway, I say leave this muslim people alone! before we have to start paying new debts. Let them be as they are, in tim they will decide to stop death penalty, stop jihad, let theyr women show a little skin and such but for now let's not try to "free" everybody. Ok?

08-19-2006, 04:01 PM	#25
Anna n Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,752	wars are very profitable, if you know how and where to invest. when there is sufficient damage, peace is very profitable, if you know how and where to invest. always room for jello Last edited by Anna : 08-20-2006 at 08:48 PM.

07-24-2006, 01:00 AM	#16
TruthSeeker monkey Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 68	How does Israel really win this war with Hezbollah, or anybody else who wants to see Israel destroyed? That is the question I ask myself, and what I have found disturbs me to think it, but I don't see many other options out there that pose much hope for lasting peace. While I don't suggest that any of my thoughts have a place in todays world, I'll throw them out here for some thought. The only wars that are won are those where one side is the clear looser, and the other side is the clear winner. The best example of this is WWII. The tactics employed during WWII were brutal from all sides. One of the tactics used during WWII against Germany was carpet bombing. This included cities which had many civilians. Again in Japan we dropped two atomic bombs; killing thousands with a big bang. The point here is that the will to fight had been lost by our enemies. There is a huge psychological effect with these types of tactics. Of course these tactics find no room in todays word because of technology and the speed at which information is moved from one end of the globe to the other. How many of us would eat a steak if we had to watch the cow being killed and slaughtered? Well the same thing goes for the tactics of the past. Because will all get to see the dramatic effects of war, we have a tendency to loose our appetite for war. It is hard for many to support a war when they see the blood. The truth is, we were much more effective at winning the war when it was off the TV screen, and information moved at a snails pace. So will Israel win peace through war? It will depend on how much will to fight is lost by their enemies. I have my doubts because the modern world wants their wars to be conducted with surgeon gloves. I hope for peace, but there may need to be a lot of blood letting before the differences can be resolved.

07-24-2006, 01:16 AM	#17
trisherina meretricious dilettante Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,068	Isn't there a better wanking forum elsewhere?

07-24-2006, 01:47 AM	#18
Hyakujo's Fox left hanging Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: between the click of the light and the start of the dream Posts: 10,071	I say we parachute trish and snake in.

07-31-2006, 10:59 PM	#22
amanda old s'cool Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,426	An interesting response from former prime minister of Lebanon, Michel Aoun You'll kindly notice he mentions no bloodletting. We have a responsibility, as well as the means, to do better than our ancestors. That's what studying history is for. also, I think you mean "lose", not loose. It boggles my mind how many people get that wrong. Just remember you want a noose loose, but don't lose sight of it- keep one eye (or in this case, an "O") on it. Hope this helps. ~a

08-19-2006, 06:37 PM	#26
daverbee Key Lime Pie rocks!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oh, yeah! Posts: 7,695	Peace is not the absence of war. __________________ Time is essential because without it everything would happen all at once.

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