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Old 02-13-2005, 07:24 PM   #1
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Question Iran and it's Nuclear Facilities.

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Associated Press: TEHRAN, Iran - Iran rejected a European demand to stop building a heavy water nuclear reactor in return for a light-water reactor Sunday, hardening Iran's position on a key part of its nuclear facilities that critics claim is part of a weapons program.
What are your thoughts on Iran? Are they a threat? Are they being honest to everyone? Should everyone just leave them alone? What should be done?

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Old 02-13-2005, 11:11 PM   #2
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I truly wish I had enough non-biased information to form an opinion.
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Old 02-14-2005, 12:13 AM   #3
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I truly wish I had enough non-biased information to form an opinion.
I hope that doesn't stop anyone from posting. Being human and being biased pretty much comes hand in hand. I won't flame you for your opinion. Here, I'll start.

I pretty much view Iran like a child wanting so badly to grow up and be an adult. They want all the resposibility of an adult, but everyone knows they can't handle it, because they'll get hurt or hurt someone else around them. I'm not sure if they intend to create nuclear weapons, but I'm guessing yes because of what I witnessed in their culture. This also leads me to believe that big bombs are just like another torture device to threaten other neighborhood children. I can just see them getting mad. "America, you stupid-head! You better shut-up or we'll bomb you! We will! In our country, no one talks back to us! They're not allowed!" And even though America isn't respected too well by Iran, how long before other countries come into conflict with them. After all, everyone outside of the Middel East is an infidel to them. All they have to say is that it's a "Holy War".

I think they want so badly to become a "super power" and nuclear weapons is a way to show the world that Iran has grown up. All we can do now is tell Iran not to run around with scissors in their hands, because if they trip and fall, they might blow up. But children don't listen. They know everything already.

There's my 2 cents.

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Old 02-14-2005, 12:30 AM   #4
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I think they want nuclear weapons for the same reason any other country does: a deterrent to those would make war on you or would otherwise threaten your interests.
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Old 02-14-2005, 01:43 AM   #5
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The way you say it, I am reminded of a novel we read in Grade 9.
The Mouse that Roared
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Old 02-14-2005, 02:07 AM   #6
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I have a hard time viewing a civilization as old as Iran's as a "child".

Particularly when the CIA overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammad Mossadegh in 1953, who was wildly popular for having nationalized his country's oil industry away from British. The coup paved the way for the brutal dictatorship of Mohammad Reza Shah, widely seen as a U.S. puppet and himself overthrown by the Islamic revolution of 1979. Given that history, I'm not terribly surprised by the attitude of those currently in power refusing to be told what to do about they believe as "an internal affair" by the likes of the Europeans and Americans.

I believe Iranians know exactly what they are doing- it is our mistake, not theirs, if we underestimate them.
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Old 02-14-2005, 03:42 PM   #7
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i'm wondering, why the hell iran?


there's a lot of other countries i don't trust with nuclear weapons. like israel, for example. i don't think iran is after world domination.
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Old 02-14-2005, 04:00 PM   #8
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Thanks for participating Fox, Aphrodite, Amanda.

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I think they want nuclear weapons for the same reason any other country does: a deterrent to those would make war on you or would otherwise threaten your interests.
Good point. I'm sure that is one of the reasons they have for trying to created them.

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Aphordite: The way you say it, I am reminded of a novel we read in Grade 9. The Mouse that Roared.
Never read it, but the description of the story line looks interesting enough. I imagine schools are having kids read many books on similar topics with world events as they are. I guess I'll have to read the book mentioned in order to understand what you meant in your post.

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Amanda: I have a hard time viewing a civilization as old as Iran's as a "child".
I do know their culture better than most and in many ways they are far behind most of the civilized world.

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I believe Iranians know exactly what they are doing- it is our mistake, not theirs, if we underestimate them.
I don't think anyone in their right mind would underestimate them. It's more of a matter of what should be done about it.

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Old 02-15-2005, 12:00 AM   #9
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I don't think anyone in their right mind would underestimate them.
"Right mind" being the point.

Let's play Compare and Contrast (you know I love that).

Iraq population 22 million

Iran population 70 million

If

Iran has a resistance movement three times that of Iraq

then

the cost of a war in Iran could be three times that of Iraq.

Bearing in mind that the US is skating on thin financial ice already.

"Right mind"? GW?

Nope.
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Old 02-15-2005, 05:52 AM   #10
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Good point. I'm sure that is one of the reasons they have for trying to created them.
well, do go on...

But I don't know of any particular reason to think the leaders of Iran are not pragmatic.
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Old 02-16-2005, 04:06 AM   #11
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I do know their culture better than most and in many ways they are far behind most of the civilized world.
Than most... what? Parliamentary Iranians? Middle-Eastern Cultural Anthropologists? Salman Rushdie? Uppity anglo-female sipping lattes in the urban Seattle? Pieces of toast?

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Old 02-16-2005, 10:17 AM   #12
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yeah, this term - 'a child' - symbolises the arrogance which
has made so many people around the world deeply suspicious
of the u.s.. it is just the kind of attitude that will enflame
tensions and make the world a more dangerous place.
apparently you know a lot about iran, in that case you
would know the shameful history of u.s. 'parenting' of this
thousands of years old 'child'.
of course the world would be a better place if less countries
had nuclear weapons. ideally no one would have them, but
that isn't going to happen. more and more countries are going
to get them as it is relatively old fashioned technology and
you can't hold back the tide forever.
iran is simply playing a diplomatic game called brinkmanship,
they want to get as much as they possibly can out of the
deal and who can blame them. that's the way the world
works. i don't claim, like you, to be an expert, but i would
love to hear your response to the article below:

iran and nukes
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Old 02-23-2005, 04:45 AM   #13
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Amanda's pithy post (6) opens another door for me. Nuclear power is hardly needed in Iran, however, with their supply of fossil fuel, it seems.

Nuclear power, not weapons, would alleviate a supply and demand issue we are still grappling with.
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Old 02-23-2005, 03:57 PM   #14
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What are your thoughts on Iran? Are they a threat? Are they being honest to everyone? Should everyone just leave them alone? What should be done?

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Old 02-28-2005, 02:17 PM   #15
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