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Chanadler Bong · 09-30-2005, 07:14 PM

I believe that Saxifrage is a doo-doo head.

Hey Sax, it's a FB member here, can ya guess who?

Saxifrage · 10-03-2005, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanadler Bong

I believe that Saxifrage is a doo-doo head.

Hey Sax, it's a FB member here, can ya guess who?

Going back over your posts here I can only assume that you must be Infowarrior. Working in a NASCAR reference and putting the prisonplanet.com link in your user info is was the tell

(although you might be Mutha, definitely not one of "The Enemy" or you would have been meaner). Be nice around here, I don't know if these folks are prepared for the level of cruelty we are used to

There is one guy here named JesusTitties who would have fit right in with us over on FB.

I guess Jerry got tired of funding our little crap flinging festival over on FB, I can't really blame him, we weren't getting much accomplished.

I don't come around here often but it is an interesting board.

Chanadler Bong · 10-03-2005, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saxifrage

Going back over your posts here I can only assume that you must be Infowarrior. Working in a NASCAR reference and putting the prisonplanet.com link in your user info is was the tell

(although you might be Mutha, definitely not one of "The Enemy" or you would have been meaner). Be nice around here, I don't know if these folks are prepared for the level of cruelty we are used to

There is one guy here named JesusTitties who would have fit right in with us over on FB.

I guess Jerry got tired of funding our little crap flinging festival over on FB, I can't really blame him, we weren't getting much accomplished.

I don't come around here often but it is an interesting board.

Ah, I thought you might catch the hints.

The chat function still works over there so I was able to find out what's going on, Jerry is in the process of upgrading the forum. So it'll be back up some time or another. In the meantime me and spawn are hanging out here in the meantime. Deus and Xaffer signed up too. ali is hanging out here under the name milton. You're right, this forum is purty cool too.

Oh, I'm Chanadler Bong at this forum too.

Saxifrage · 10-05-2005, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chanadler Bong

Ah, I thought you might catch the hints.

The chat function still works over there so I was able to find out what's going on, Jerry is in the process of upgrading the forum. So it'll be back up some time or another. In the meantime me and spawn are hanging out here in the meantime. Deus and Xaffer signed up too. ali is hanging out here under the name milton. You're right, this forum is purty cool too.

Oh, I'm Chanadler Bong at this forum too.

Well, it seems that I am allready a member at the GWB.org forum under the name "Asimov". I signed up there back in April and forgot about it. While I may post a bit, I'll probably just wait until FB is back up. That's my home away from work

Smartypants · 11-21-2005, 02:42 PM

On Mondays, NPR is running a series called "This I Believe," for which various contributors read a short (500 word) essay.

This morning was Penn Jillette, of Penn and Teller.

Here's the audio, in Real Media...

... and here's the text.

trisherina · 11-21-2005, 03:39 PM

Thanks for passing that on, Smarty. A certain person I'm married to will really enjoy it.

Brynn · 11-25-2005, 02:07 PM

Death is but is not lasting.
To pass a dead bird,
The notice of it is,
Yet walking on
Is gone.
The thought remains
And thought is all I know of death.
----------------------------------
Gregory Corso

I believe that it takes much more faith to deny the existence of God than it does to embrace it.

Sapphire · 11-26-2005, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smartypants

On Mondays, NPR is running a series called "This I Believe," for which various contributors read a short (500 word) essay.

This morning was Penn Jillette, of Penn and Teller.

Here's the audio, in Real Media...

... and here's the text.

Thanks for sharing this, SP - I went back and read some of the old essays - amazing. Did you know that anyone can contribute?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4538138

Just click on "Contribute an essay"

I'd Love to see several of us submit essays - I mean, if they really want to hear from people from all walks of life - why not from us?

Smartypants · 12-06-2005, 05:37 PM

^^ You first!!

Smartypants · 12-06-2005, 05:49 PM

This is fascinating, weird and disturbing:

Someone posted on Julia Sweeney's blog that while channel hopping, they caught Victoria Jackson (former colleague of Sweeney's on SNL), singing a song about Sweeney on TBN's "Praise the Lord" program. A simple Google search turned up the video.

What's that word that comes to mind....? I know: "Yeesh!!"

Check it out: Click here and choose the show for 12/1. Jackson's interview begins about 28 minutes into the show. (Set your Media Player slider.)

San Francisco runs a weekly test of the city's emergency warning system every Tuesday and the siren went off as I was watching this and Jackson began to sing. All the dogs in my neighborhood began howling wildly. I must say it greatly enhanced the experience! LOL!!!

Interesting that Jackson describes Sweeney's performance as two hours of "making fun" of Christianity. She clearly wasn't paying attention, or her upset over Sweeney's giving intelligent and insightful thought to the subject of religion and discussing her personal beliefs prevented Jackson from seeing the show as anything more than a comic attack on Christians and Christianity.

ShopaholicChick · 12-11-2005, 12:08 PM

As I see religion as a whole, I view it from many angles, and this is what I have come up with:

If a person was to stand in the center of a large room, and the crowd gathers around, High above the heads the person hold a box of many sides. Fully sealed. No one can see what is inside. This person then states that on each side of this box is a word written to describe what is in the box. As people read the sides they see they begin to yell out guesses as to the contents of the box. One calls out God, and other Allah, yet another yells Buddah. Many people do not move their spots, they simply take guessing by viewing the box for the side they are standing on. Still more people walk aroudn the box, examining all the sides and taking what they feel to be an educated guess. Is the box filled with one large entity who encompasses all descrition, or it is many, like a box of marbles? We will never know. Does it truly matter what is in the box? I don't think it does. As long as we know there is a box, we will each be given the chance to believe in what we feel in our hearts.

Smartypants · 12-11-2005, 04:57 PM

The more inquisitive seeker of truth would rather figure out how to open the box and see for himself what's REALLY inside. And in finding the answer, would relieve the hapless creature from standing there like a boob, holding a box over his head -- plus, it would free up his hands to enjoy the canapes and cocktails being handed out by the roving waiters.

Brynn · 12-18-2005, 10:47 AM

Snaps for that. I think it's a far more intelligent response than debating the fact that the box is actually there in the first place.

(mouth is full) try the calamari...

lapietra · 01-06-2006, 07:00 PM

Someone just posted this on Julia Sweeney's blog comments - wonderful! (check out the author at the bottom

)

I believe that there is no God. I'm beyond Atheism.
Atheism is not believing in God. Not believing in God
is easy -- you can't prove a negative, so there's no
work to do. You can't prove that there isn't an
elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How
about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check
again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt
definition of the word "elephant" includes mystery,
order, goodness, love and a spare tire?

So, anyone with a love for truth outside of herself
has to start with no belief in God and then look for
evidence of God. She needs to search for some
objective evidence of a supernatural power. All the
people I write e-mails to often are still stuck at
this searching stage. The Atheism part is easy.
But, this "This I Believe" thing seems to demand
something more personal, some leap of faith that helps
one see life's big picture, some rules to live by. So,
I'm saying, "This I believe: I believe there is no
God."

Having taken that step, it informs every moment of my
life. I'm not greedy. I have love, blue skies,
rainbows and Hallmark cards, and that has to be
enough. It has to be enough, but it's everything in
the world and everything in the world is plenty for
me. It seems just rude to beg the invisible for more.
Just the love of my family that raised me and the
family I'm raising now is enough that I don't need
heaven. I won the huge genetic lottery and I get joy
every day.

Believing there's no God means I can't really be
forgiven except by kindness and faulty memories.
That's good; it makes me want to be more thoughtful. I
have to try to treat people right the first time
around.

Believing there's no God stops me from being
solipsistic. I can read ideas from all different
people from all different cultures. Without God, we
can agree on reality, and I can keep learning where
I'm wrong. We can all keep adjusting, so we can really
communicate. I don't travel in circles where people
say, "I have faith, I believe this in my heart and
nothing you can say or do can shake my faith." That's
just a long-winded religious way to say, "shut up," or
another two words that the FCC likes less. But all
obscenity is less insulting than, "How I was brought
up and my imaginary friend means more to me than
anything you can ever say or do." So, believing there
is no God lets me be proven wrong and that's always
fun. It means I'm learning something.

Believing there is no God means the suffering I've
seen in my family, and indeed all the suffering in the
world, isn't caused by an omniscient, omnipresent,
omnipotent force that isn't bothered to help or is
just testing us, but rather something we all may be
able to help others with in the future. No God means
the possibility of less suffering in the future.

Believing there is no God gives me more room for
belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex,
Jell-o and all the other things I can prove and that
make this life the best life I will ever have.

- Penn Gillette (of Penn and Teller) for "This I Believe" (NPR)

Smartypants · 01-06-2006, 07:19 PM

^^^ I posted this earlier. (Not a criticism; I think it's worth the occasional reminder! Where's the "autobump" scheduling feature on this board?!

)

You can also listen to the audio of Jillette reading the piece on NPR's site. The link's imbedded in myprevious post.

11-21-2005, 02:42 PM	#200
Smartypants MR. Smartypants to you. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oh, YOU PEOPLE go ahead and call it "Frisco." See if I care. Posts: 3,967	On Mondays, NPR is running a series called "This I Believe," for which various contributors read a short (500 word) essay. This morning was Penn Jillette, of Penn and Teller. Here's the audio, in Real Media... ... and here's the text. __________________ "I don't think God wants us to believe in him. If he wanted us to believe in him he'd do something about it -- like exist perhaps!" --Linda Smith

11-21-2005, 03:39 PM	#201
trisherina meretricious dilettante Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,068	Thanks for passing that on, Smarty. A certain person I'm married to will really enjoy it. __________________ Because how we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives. -- Annie Dillard

11-25-2005, 02:07 PM	#202
Brynn constantly amazed Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: in the labyrinth of shared happiness Posts: 6,206	Thought Death is but is not lasting. To pass a dead bird, The notice of it is, Yet walking on Is gone. The thought remains And thought is all I know of death. ---------------------------------- Gregory Corso I believe that it takes much more faith to deny the existence of God than it does to embrace it.

12-06-2005, 05:37 PM	#204
Smartypants MR. Smartypants to you. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oh, YOU PEOPLE go ahead and call it "Frisco." See if I care. Posts: 3,967	^^ You first!! __________________ "I don't think God wants us to believe in him. If he wanted us to believe in him he'd do something about it -- like exist perhaps!" --Linda Smith

12-06-2005, 05:49 PM	#205
Smartypants MR. Smartypants to you. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oh, YOU PEOPLE go ahead and call it "Frisco." See if I care. Posts: 3,967	This is fascinating, weird and disturbing: Someone posted on Julia Sweeney's blog that while channel hopping, they caught Victoria Jackson (former colleague of Sweeney's on SNL), singing a song about Sweeney on TBN's "Praise the Lord" program. A simple Google search turned up the video. What's that word that comes to mind....? I know: "Yeesh!!" Check it out: Click here and choose the show for 12/1. Jackson's interview begins about 28 minutes into the show. (Set your Media Player slider.) San Francisco runs a weekly test of the city's emergency warning system every Tuesday and the siren went off as I was watching this and Jackson began to sing. All the dogs in my neighborhood began howling wildly. I must say it greatly enhanced the experience! LOL!!! Interesting that Jackson describes Sweeney's performance as two hours of "making fun" of Christianity. She clearly wasn't paying attention, or her upset over Sweeney's giving intelligent and insightful thought to the subject of religion and discussing her personal beliefs prevented Jackson from seeing the show as anything more than a comic attack on Christians and Christianity. __________________ "I don't think God wants us to believe in him. If he wanted us to believe in him he'd do something about it -- like exist perhaps!" --Linda Smith

09-30-2005, 07:14 PM	#196
Chanadler Bong Wenus Manager Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 12	I believe that Saxifrage is a doo-doo head. Hey Sax, it's a FB member here, can ya guess who?

12-11-2005, 12:08 PM	#206
ShopaholicChick monkey Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 89	As I see religion as a whole, I view it from many angles, and this is what I have come up with: If a person was to stand in the center of a large room, and the crowd gathers around, High above the heads the person hold a box of many sides. Fully sealed. No one can see what is inside. This person then states that on each side of this box is a word written to describe what is in the box. As people read the sides they see they begin to yell out guesses as to the contents of the box. One calls out God, and other Allah, yet another yells Buddah. Many people do not move their spots, they simply take guessing by viewing the box for the side they are standing on. Still more people walk aroudn the box, examining all the sides and taking what they feel to be an educated guess. Is the box filled with one large entity who encompasses all descrition, or it is many, like a box of marbles? We will never know. Does it truly matter what is in the box? I don't think it does. As long as we know there is a box, we will each be given the chance to believe in what we feel in our hearts. __________________ I hate people who stalk you and think they are funny to hack your accounts

12-11-2005, 04:57 PM	#207
Smartypants MR. Smartypants to you. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oh, YOU PEOPLE go ahead and call it "Frisco." See if I care. Posts: 3,967	The more inquisitive seeker of truth would rather figure out how to open the box and see for himself what's REALLY inside. And in finding the answer, would relieve the hapless creature from standing there like a boob, holding a box over his head -- plus, it would free up his hands to enjoy the canapes and cocktails being handed out by the roving waiters. __________________ "I don't think God wants us to believe in him. If he wanted us to believe in him he'd do something about it -- like exist perhaps!" --Linda Smith

12-18-2005, 10:47 AM	#208
Brynn constantly amazed Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: in the labyrinth of shared happiness Posts: 6,206	Snaps for that. I think it's a far more intelligent response than debating the fact that the box is actually there in the first place. (mouth is full) try the calamari... __________________ 1. While sitting at your desk, lift your right foot off the floor and make clockwise circles. 2. Now, while doing this, draw the number "6" in the air with your right hand. 3. Your foot will change direction.

01-06-2006, 07:00 PM	#209
lapietra half baked Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: just ducky Posts: 12,078	Someone just posted this on Julia Sweeney's blog comments - wonderful! (check out the author at the bottom ) I believe that there is no God. I'm beyond Atheism. Atheism is not believing in God. Not believing in God is easy -- you can't prove a negative, so there's no work to do. You can't prove that there isn't an elephant inside the trunk of my car. You sure? How about now? Maybe he was just hiding before. Check again. Did I mention that my personal heartfelt definition of the word "elephant" includes mystery, order, goodness, love and a spare tire? So, anyone with a love for truth outside of herself has to start with no belief in God and then look for evidence of God. She needs to search for some objective evidence of a supernatural power. All the people I write e-mails to often are still stuck at this searching stage. The Atheism part is easy. But, this "This I Believe" thing seems to demand something more personal, some leap of faith that helps one see life's big picture, some rules to live by. So, I'm saying, "This I believe: I believe there is no God." Having taken that step, it informs every moment of my life. I'm not greedy. I have love, blue skies, rainbows and Hallmark cards, and that has to be enough. It has to be enough, but it's everything in the world and everything in the world is plenty for me. It seems just rude to beg the invisible for more. Just the love of my family that raised me and the family I'm raising now is enough that I don't need heaven. I won the huge genetic lottery and I get joy every day. Believing there's no God means I can't really be forgiven except by kindness and faulty memories. That's good; it makes me want to be more thoughtful. I have to try to treat people right the first time around. Believing there's no God stops me from being solipsistic. I can read ideas from all different people from all different cultures. Without God, we can agree on reality, and I can keep learning where I'm wrong. We can all keep adjusting, so we can really communicate. I don't travel in circles where people say, "I have faith, I believe this in my heart and nothing you can say or do can shake my faith." That's just a long-winded religious way to say, "shut up," or another two words that the FCC likes less. But all obscenity is less insulting than, "How I was brought up and my imaginary friend means more to me than anything you can ever say or do." So, believing there is no God lets me be proven wrong and that's always fun. It means I'm learning something. Believing there is no God means the suffering I've seen in my family, and indeed all the suffering in the world, isn't caused by an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent force that isn't bothered to help or is just testing us, but rather something we all may be able to help others with in the future. No God means the possibility of less suffering in the future. Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have. - Penn Gillette (of Penn and Teller) for "This I Believe" (NPR) __________________ “As long as the world is turning and spinning, we're gonna be dizzy and we're gonna make mistakes.” ~ Mel Brooks

01-06-2006, 07:19 PM	#210
Smartypants MR. Smartypants to you. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oh, YOU PEOPLE go ahead and call it "Frisco." See if I care. Posts: 3,967	^^^ I posted this earlier. (Not a criticism; I think it's worth the occasional reminder! Where's the "autobump" scheduling feature on this board?! ) You can also listen to the audio of Jillette reading the piece on NPR's site. The link's imbedded in myprevious post. __________________ "I don't think God wants us to believe in him. If he wanted us to believe in him he'd do something about it -- like exist perhaps!" --Linda Smith

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