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Old 04-24-2006, 10:09 PM   #1
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In a recent publication of U.S. News and World Report, David Gergen wrote an editorial titled "An Unfair Attack". In the article he issues a rebuttal to an article written by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walttitles {"The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy"}. Gergen states the following: "In essence, their 82-page piece argues that U.S. policy in the Middle East has been hijacked by a pro-Israel "Lobby." "The core of the Lobby," they say, "is comprised of American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests." As a result, "the United States has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel." I agree with Mearsheimer and Walttitles.

Back in 1948 when the Jewish state of Israel was created, the United States and Britain agreed to allow it to exist in its present place of location. Evidently no thought was given to the long term effects of creating such a state in the middle of so many Arab countries. It would have been wiser to use this land to create a place where all three major religions could visit to practice their faiths but not be allowed to reside their. The State of Israel should have been established anywhere but the Middle East. Consequently, the United States has obligated itself to support a so-called democratic Jewish state against potential threats from the Arab monarchial dictatorships. This has indeed opened the door to undue influence from the "Jewish lobby" not only on U.S. policy in the Middle East but also on domestic policy as well. Few could doubt the negative influence they have on the media and the entertainment industry.

As for negative stereotypes, the Jews have been known to create their own. Everything from their materialistic money mongering to their history of being forcefully removed from so many countries. It always seems very ironic that the Jews continue to decry themselves as the only victims of a holocaust where in fact their own bible describes in detail how they massacred many nations and cultures. Some historians believe it was their investment money that helped sponsor the African slave trade. Even their own Talmud states that "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen." Still further, while the Jews advocate diversity in the United States, only those born into Jewish families may attain citizenship in Israel. Mearsheimer and Walttitles are right and therefore the United States should withdraw from its support of Israel. Perhaps then will the so-called chosen people wisen up and learn to get along peacefully with the rest of the world.
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Old 04-24-2006, 11:06 PM   #2
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Snake, do you think instant coffee would dissolve in boiling semen?
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Old 04-25-2006, 12:29 AM   #3
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Go F'ing blow Joe.
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Old 04-25-2006, 10:25 AM   #4
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^^^ this is debate hall people


try and debate or something.. about the subject, not about semen and blowing Joe (whoever that may be)
i think there's a horny thread around somewhere for that if it gives you a happy
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Old 04-25-2006, 11:54 AM   #5
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He mentioned the boiling semen first!!!

But you have a point. I'll be quiet.
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Old 04-25-2006, 01:02 PM   #6
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Old 04-27-2006, 08:59 PM   #7
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In a recent publication of U.S. News and World Report, David Gergen wrote an editorial titled "An Unfair Attack". In the article he issues a rebuttal to an article written by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walttitles {"The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy"}. Gergen states the following: "In essence, their 82-page piece argues that U.S. policy in the Middle East has been hijacked by a pro-Israel "Lobby." "The core of the Lobby," they say, "is comprised of American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests." As a result, "the United States has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel." I agree with Mearsheimer and Walttitles.

Back in 1948 when the Jewish state of Israel was created, the United States and Britain agreed to allow it to exist in its present place of location. Evidently no thought was given to the long term effects of creating such a state in the middle of so many Arab countries. It would have been wiser to use this land to create a place where all three major religions could visit to practice their faiths but not be allowed to reside their. The State of Israel should have been established anywhere but the Middle East. Consequently, the United States has obligated itself to support a so-called democratic Jewish state against potential threats from the Arab monarchial dictatorships. This has indeed opened the door to undue influence from the "Jewish lobby" not only on U.S. policy in the Middle East but also on domestic policy as well.
See, it was OK until here. Then around about here

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Few could doubt the negative influence they have on the media and the entertainment industry.

As for negative stereotypes, the Jews have been known to create their own. Everything from their materialistic money mongering to their history of being forcefully removed from so many countries. It always seems very ironic that the Jews continue to decry themselves as the only victims of a holocaust where in fact their own bible describes in detail how they massacred many nations and cultures. Some historians believe it was their investment money that helped sponsor the African slave trade. Even their own Talmud states that "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen." Still further, while the Jews advocate diversity in the United States, only those born into Jewish families may attain citizenship in Israel. Mearsheimer and Walttitles are right and therefore the United States should withdraw from its support of Israel. Perhaps then will the so-called chosen people wisen up and learn to get along peacefully with the rest of the world.
it demonstrated beautifully just what the pro-Palestine "lobby" is up against.

Thanks mate. Boiling in semen indeed.

And it's "Stephen Walt". If you are going to spam the net with this shite at least get the author's name correct. If any-one is interested in discussing the original article:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
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Old 05-20-2006, 11:00 PM   #8
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only a Jew finds the truth anti-semitic
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Old 05-31-2006, 09:17 AM   #9
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Well then. Oy vey, mate!
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Old 05-31-2006, 11:48 AM   #10
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Old 06-09-2006, 05:40 AM   #11
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only a Jew finds the truth anti-semitic
Actually no. And you say that with such confidence, too.
Your "truth" sounds pretty angry. IMHO.

What are you really angry about?
Who, personally, hurt you to the core?
What happened?
Did your parents hate Jews too?
What other groups of people piss you off? There must be more.
How old are you?
Do you think "The Final Solution" was good policy?
What's your story?
Are you religious at all?
I think you're fascinating.
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Old 06-11-2006, 10:33 PM   #12
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What other groups of people piss you off? There must be more.
http://www.goofigure.com/UserGoofigu...sp?gooID=4145&

http://www.goofigure.com/UserGoofigu...sp?gooID=4145&

http://www.goofigure.com/UserGoofigu...sp?gooID=3931&

And of course the "only a Jew finds the truth anti-semitic" comment gets very tiresome after a while.

http://forums.firingsquad.com/firing...d=45013#M45013

http://forums.southernutah.com/showt...?threadid=5517

http://www.ivibes.nu/board/viewtopic.php?p=54647

http://www.thedailypage.com/forum/vi...b9f 5a882d52a

http://journal.pcvsconsole.com/?thread=18777

I'd go on but according to Google there are nine more pages.

Joe. You do the genuine cause of the peoples of Iraq and Palestine a disservice.
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Old 06-12-2006, 09:01 AM   #13
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Joe would benefit from some anger management therapy..for starters.
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Old 06-16-2006, 10:20 AM   #14
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So btw, is there going to be civil war in Palestine, or what?
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Old 07-23-2006, 07:04 AM   #15
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Fisk.

"...the Lebanese government, who can't even control a water faucet, let alone a Hezbollah militia man.......I mean, this is a mass punishment of a whole people for the actions of a very ruthless, powerful guerilla army, Hezbollah, which does not represent the Lebanese people.

Anyway, it is important to remember that the Hezbollah crossed that border against all international law. No one gave them a referendum or a vote to cross the border and kill Israelis and capture two Israelis and start off this war. But, you see, they relied upon -- they totally relied upon the cruelty of Israel's response. And Israel, as usual, obliged them."

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../07/19/1345257
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