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amanda · 03-07-2005, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by zefrank

i look forward to your suggestions on a rule base that might work here. we could begin with highly structural rules for a first draft...then revisit it by editing the piece with a different rule set.

you'd make an excellent dipolmat.

instead of going through the motions of reinventing the wheel, perhaps just using the inherent rule set of a basic story- three acts moving in an arc of crisis, climax and resolution. It sounds like you have a basis of a crisis in mind (a divorce). Perhaps the rest of us can fill in- what is the incident that gets the plot rolling? Is it the divorce itself? The aftermath? The custody hearing? The day Dan scrapes his knee on the pavement and can't have mommy kiss it better because mommy is living across town?

you've got it below...

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i'm not looking for mass participation...only looking for a few people who are familiar with some of the dynamics of community based fiction to try and attempt something more challenging and hopefully in the process find structural components that might make this work.

its too easy to predict failure based on past experience.

true that, captain. but, as I am sure you are keenly aware, it does help to use the knowledge gained from "failures" (I'm not sure what you constitute as failure here... but I'll run with it.)

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how about we write the entire story in its most basic elements first:

for example we sum up the entire story based purely on plot points...i.e. dan's parent's argue. dan picks up a broken watch. dan falls asleep on the neighbor's lawn.

his could be restricted to a structural rule (one or two sentences at a time...doesn't matter if there is redunancy, mutual exclusivity, etc...)

based on the community thinking we trim this down...then write a paragraph that tackles thematic relationships, then the back story on characters...

I like this... it gives a chance for folks to pick and choose to focus on their strengths in the story creating process (as trish mentioned about an outline).

I think it can be both thematic and plot outline thread... I'll go and start one....

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i don't care how long it takes. dammit.

ally · 03-07-2005, 03:14 PM

I remember thinking 'thank fvck for that' when mine split up, I was four.

My, how useful I am.

Anna · 05-14-2006, 11:56 PM

too late?

amanda · 05-16-2006, 12:13 AM

never too late for jello

Anna · 05-16-2006, 02:20 AM

err.. um.. hmm... what I meant to ask was... this project completed, abandoned, or just put on the back burner?

duckies in jello?

Sunnybunny · 05-17-2006, 04:34 AM

If this is still on the table as something people want to do, I say we go with the "two sentence at a time" rule and GET GOING.

If there's some official confirmation that there is still interest, I'll be happy to get the ball rolling. I miss doing these and have NO problem at all thinking like a four year-old.

If the original project was completed off-board, how 'bout let's start another?

Color me a little late in getting on board.

Anna · 05-18-2006, 08:12 PM

shoot

Sunnybunny · 05-19-2006, 05:43 AM

Before we get started, let's give this kid a name. That helps a lot. Suggestion?

Anna · 05-19-2006, 09:20 PM

Boy or Girl?

LeahDear · 05-20-2006, 07:04 AM

How about a boy called Jane

Sunnybunny · 05-20-2006, 12:28 PM

Spencer Jane sought refuge on the front porch of his parents’ suburban home. From his post there, he would listen for the shouting inside to die down, signaling that it was safe to go back inside.

Anna · 05-20-2006, 09:18 PM

Spencer would lay back against the the painted wooden stairs and squint up at the sun. He'd look at the sky and pretend he was riding a horse or a dragon he imagined from the clouds. Most of the time he would just peal the cracking paint off the stairs. He liked to put a small piece in his mouth, even though his mother told him not to, but the paint tasted sweet and he thought, “it's just a little piece.” Sometimes while picking at the stairs a sliver of the old wood would stab him hard under his nail, it hurt and he'd rush in to the house to get a band-aid and some comfort, secretly hoping his pain and tears would also end their loud talking.

trisherina · 05-20-2006, 09:38 PM

http://www.zefrank.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=7820

Sunnybunny · 05-21-2006, 04:48 AM

I guess we missed that thread somehow. Anna, should we venture over in that direction or see where ours goes? Any harm in having more than one of these?

Anna · 05-21-2006, 11:45 AM

"I guess we missed that thread somehow."

Me too. I couldn't find it without the link posted.

"Anna, should we venture over in that direction or see where ours goes? Any harm in having more than one of these? "

got me... I'm new here, through I suspect we need to do something different, just not sure what. Rules are a bit vague, but we might be steeping on a few toes here. I'm open to suggestion.

RULES FOR THE FICTION PROJECT
http://www.zefrank.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=9206

03-07-2005, 03:14 PM	#17
ally cunning stunt Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sunny south of France Posts: 1,170	I remember thinking 'thank fvck for that' when mine split up, I was four. My, how useful I am. __________________ Been away for a while (3, 4 years maybe?!). Now an English teach (who still can't spell). Still loving being a mum, best thing ever, so much so that number 2's on it's way (oh & I got married last year!).

05-14-2006, 11:56 PM	#18
Anna n Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,752	this open too late?

05-19-2006, 05:43 AM	#23
Sunnybunny Dizzy Dame Join Date: May 2006 Location: Disneyland Posts: 119	Before we get started, let's give this kid a name. That helps a lot. Suggestion? __________________ Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death.You've got to LIVE, LIVE, LIVE!" ~ Mame Dennis Burnside

05-19-2006, 09:20 PM	#24
Anna n Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,752	Boy or Girl? Last edited by Anna : 05-19-2006 at 09:24 PM.

05-20-2006, 07:04 AM	#25
LeahDear monkey Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,538	How about a boy called Jane __________________ I blame that Welsh tart!

05-16-2006, 12:13 AM	#19
amanda old s'cool Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,426	never too late for jello

05-16-2006, 02:20 AM	#20
Anna n Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,752	err.. um.. hmm... what I meant to ask was... this project completed, abandoned, or just put on the back burner? duckies in jello?

05-17-2006, 04:34 AM	#21
Sunnybunny Dizzy Dame Join Date: May 2006 Location: Disneyland Posts: 119	If this is still on the table as something people want to do, I say we go with the "two sentence at a time" rule and GET GOING. If there's some official confirmation that there is still interest, I'll be happy to get the ball rolling. I miss doing these and have NO problem at all thinking like a four year-old. If the original project was completed off-board, how 'bout let's start another? Color me a little late in getting on board.

05-18-2006, 08:12 PM	#22
Anna n Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,752	shoot

05-20-2006, 12:28 PM	#26
Sunnybunny Dizzy Dame Join Date: May 2006 Location: Disneyland Posts: 119	Spencer Jane sought refuge on the front porch of his parents’ suburban home. From his post there, he would listen for the shouting inside to die down, signaling that it was safe to go back inside. __________________ Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death.You've got to LIVE, LIVE, LIVE!" ~ Mame Dennis Burnside

05-20-2006, 09:18 PM	#27
Anna n Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,752	Spencer would lay back against the the painted wooden stairs and squint up at the sun. He'd look at the sky and pretend he was riding a horse or a dragon he imagined from the clouds. Most of the time he would just peal the cracking paint off the stairs. He liked to put a small piece in his mouth, even though his mother told him not to, but the paint tasted sweet and he thought, “it's just a little piece.” Sometimes while picking at the stairs a sliver of the old wood would stab him hard under his nail, it hurt and he'd rush in to the house to get a band-aid and some comfort, secretly hoping his pain and tears would also end their loud talking.

05-20-2006, 09:38 PM	#28
trisherina meretricious dilettante Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,068	http://www.zefrank.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=7820 __________________ Because how we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives. -- Annie Dillard

05-21-2006, 04:48 AM	#29
Sunnybunny Dizzy Dame Join Date: May 2006 Location: Disneyland Posts: 119	I guess we missed that thread somehow. Anna, should we venture over in that direction or see where ours goes? Any harm in having more than one of these? __________________ Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death.You've got to LIVE, LIVE, LIVE!" ~ Mame Dennis Burnside Last edited by Sunnybunny : 05-21-2006 at 05:29 AM.

05-21-2006, 11:45 AM	#30
Anna n Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,752	"I guess we missed that thread somehow." Me too. I couldn't find it without the link posted. "Anna, should we venture over in that direction or see where ours goes? Any harm in having more than one of these? " got me... I'm new here, through I suspect we need to do something different, just not sure what. Rules are a bit vague, but we might be steeping on a few toes here. I'm open to suggestion. RULES FOR THE FICTION PROJECT http://www.zefrank.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=9206

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