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xerocs · 03-21-2003, 03:03 PM

headline reads, "anti-war protests turn violent", isn't that what the fools are trying to get us to avoid.... I blush with shame for the people who have forgotten why they are allowed to protest... there are countries where civil disobedience will get you shot...

masterofNone · 03-21-2003, 03:09 PM

Did the protesters pull out weapons or was it the police? No one on this board has said anything against America or Democracy. I don't think anyone on this board has even said that War is a necessarily bad idea in every case.

I've seen people opposed to THIS war in THIS case, not to the troops who are laying their lives onthe line. If we can't be opposed to the policies of the administration... welll then the America you're fighting for doesn't exist.

Red Princess · 03-21-2003, 03:16 PM

i was watching video of what was going on in san francisco yesterday and it was protestors and people who disagreed with them beating each other up, there were no police in sight. i said the same thing, yelling at the tv 'what are you people doing? have you all completely missed the point?' !!!!

xerocs · 03-21-2003, 03:17 PM

case in point... "If we can't be opposed to the policies of the administration... welll then the America you're fighting for doesn't exist"... America was founded with a war...

... I wasn't there so I can't say who was the first to draw weapons... I am sure though that it wasn't the police... but to hell with the protesters anyway.... if they disagree with the president and the war then they can move to france and eat freedom fries... that is also a choice they are allowed to make... i was thinking about making a website where the americans that stand behind their country could contribute aid to the much needed air fare to deport the 1500 or so protesters who find it their duty to crowd streets and resort to violent temper tantrums to get their way... spoiled brats probably had daddies money buy them into berkley anyway.... i am not eating granola and taking three showers a day in protest of the protesters... i hope they like the horseshoe, hardened criminals will probably explain to them the joys of freedom....

masterofNone · 03-21-2003, 03:22 PM

you know, in the 6 month or so that I've been reading the posts on this board, I've never seen anyone resort to insults. No one is attacking you, xerocs.

xerocs · 03-21-2003, 03:23 PM

are you insulted?

Red Princess · 03-21-2003, 03:30 PM

i am a little insulted. it is my right as an american citizen to protest if my government is doing something i disagree with. if i protest it is not a rejection of the entire country, it the expression of my views. i concede that if there was no military protection i would probably not heve the right to protest. i give thanks to those who protect my rights. i do not however, give those people the right to take rights back if it annoys them.

thank you xerocs for protecting my right to annoy you. i know it sounds bizarre.....

xerocs · 03-21-2003, 03:30 PM

sorry... that was the yahoo travel spot for tickets to france....

http://travel.yahoo.com/

masterofNone · 03-21-2003, 03:33 PM

yep. I am half french and half german... which makes me all american as far as I'm concerned. That any other citizen would like to deport any other citizen for the crime of being passionate enough to speak out against the majority position... that gets me more than a little hot. Our countires strength is that freedom. You yourself point to the difference between our country and others where the protesters would be shot. Would you defend those other countries with your life? Those people that stand in the street today and voice their opinion are Patriots as much as anyone in uniform today. If you can't see that I'd be happier if you took off your uniform, walked to a bus stop and headed home... because you're not defending the America that we as a nation have fought for for 226 years.

Red Princess · 03-21-2003, 03:37 PM

ok ok ok we said what we had to say, can we kiss and make up now? xerocs is under a lot of stress and is understandably upset and feeling a lack of support, stress stress stress, it can be bad

honeyb3655 · 03-21-2003, 03:48 PM

I cannot completely agree or disagree with the protests or the war. I am bothered that I am unable to "pick a side." But I feel strongly that the media has tainted the facts and I refuse to form an opinion based on ignorance or incorrect information. This is not a black and white issue, folks. I'm all for helping out a country that wants/needs help, but even the UN asked us to wait and I have yet to hear the Iraquis ask for the type of help we are dishing out...and I would like to add that I have never liked Little Bush nor do I like his administration and their actions during the elctions and thus far in his term--of this, I am SURE...I want to scream sometimes when I think about it and I wonder if protesting would help or at least help me to feel like I am not alone in my distaste for Little Bush, but I do not agree with violence.

I hear the San Diego protests last night were very mellow and peaceful (and 1 in 4 soldiers over there right now is based in San Diego). I wish that I could form an opinion on this issue, but maybe the point is to remain as open-minded as possible. (Meanwhile, to get completely off the topic, trucks are rolling through Alaska to begin drilling...did anyone catch that?)

Red Princess · 03-21-2003, 04:15 PM

oh man i hear that! i am also ambivalent about the situation, i hate war on principle but some days it feels like only a good ass kicking will make people listen to reason and i understand the oxymoron in that. i guess it is frustration, that we lose patience and resort to hitting instead of kissing. i also wonder about the information we are getting, i go to the BBC website when i am not too depressed to get a different perspective.

nyc, before you go off on me, i am not slamming the whole media organiztion. my life's philosophy is "says who?"

ok now you can go off, please be gentle

Deviate · 03-21-2003, 04:32 PM

screw "kissing" and "making up".

this has ticked me off more than anything said on this war to date.

people who disagree with this war have been tainted as "unpatriotic" and "unAmerican". i'm sorry, friend, but that is not so.

i believe myself to be one of the most patriotic and American of any person i know. not only have my ancestors lived here for centuries, but i also because believe, with the inner being of my soul, in my right to DISAGREE WITH WHOMEVER THE F*CK I WANT. i will defend that right to my death.

this country was not founded on war. a war was created by another country who did not want to allow us the freedoms we wanted. this country was founded on DISAGREEING with the GOVERNMENT.

our Bill of Rights states that we have the freedoms to speak our minds at any time and place. we are allowed to vote authorities out of office, to appeal unjust court decisions, to burn a flag. the country was founded on the basic belief that we may, at anytime, DISAGREE with the government.

never, once, do i recall ANYWHERE in the Constitution that, if we at any time DISAGREE with the government, that we must pack our bags and move to another country that is more pleasant.

it is naive to think that it is governmental policies alone that keep citizens in borders. if this were so then revolutions would never happen. instead there would just be population explosions in more popular countries.

this is my HOME, this is my FAMILY'S HOME and i will stay on the soil and shout until my lungs BLEED that i disagree with this war.

and it is my love for the SPIRIT of this country, it is my PATRIOTISM and my AMERICAN heart that drives me to do just as such.

you challenge my right to do so? you should move to another country. embrace the spirit of a government that does not allow its citizens to disagree.

i disagree with the policies of my government. but i love this country.

-s. leigh thompson

masterofNone · 03-21-2003, 04:36 PM

Deviate · 03-21-2003, 04:42 PM

oh, btw, welcome HoneyB.

-st.

03-21-2003, 03:03 PM	#1
xerocs Lurk Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rapid City, SoDak Posts: 1,341	anti-war protests? headline reads, "anti-war protests turn violent", isn't that what the fools are trying to get us to avoid.... I blush with shame for the people who have forgotten why they are allowed to protest... there are countries where civil disobedience will get you shot...

03-21-2003, 03:16 PM	#3
Red Princess thread soiler Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: san diego Posts: 4,810	i was watching video of what was going on in san francisco yesterday and it was protestors and people who disagreed with them beating each other up, there were no police in sight. i said the same thing, yelling at the tv 'what are you people doing? have you all completely missed the point?' !!!! __________________ snarky peep

03-21-2003, 03:30 PM	#7
Red Princess thread soiler Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: san diego Posts: 4,810	i am a little insulted. it is my right as an american citizen to protest if my government is doing something i disagree with. if i protest it is not a rejection of the entire country, it the expression of my views. i concede that if there was no military protection i would probably not heve the right to protest. i give thanks to those who protect my rights. i do not however, give those people the right to take rights back if it annoys them. thank you xerocs for protecting my right to annoy you. i know it sounds bizarre..... __________________ snarky peep

03-21-2003, 03:37 PM	#10
Red Princess thread soiler Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: san diego Posts: 4,810	ok ok ok we said what we had to say, can we kiss and make up now? xerocs is under a lot of stress and is understandably upset and feeling a lack of support, stress stress stress, it can be bad __________________ snarky peep

03-21-2003, 03:48 PM	#11
honeyb3655 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2	cut and dried or still sprouting? I cannot completely agree or disagree with the protests or the war. I am bothered that I am unable to "pick a side." But I feel strongly that the media has tainted the facts and I refuse to form an opinion based on ignorance or incorrect information. This is not a black and white issue, folks. I'm all for helping out a country that wants/needs help, but even the UN asked us to wait and I have yet to hear the Iraquis ask for the type of help we are dishing out...and I would like to add that I have never liked Little Bush nor do I like his administration and their actions during the elctions and thus far in his term--of this, I am SURE...I want to scream sometimes when I think about it and I wonder if protesting would help or at least help me to feel like I am not alone in my distaste for Little Bush, but I do not agree with violence. I hear the San Diego protests last night were very mellow and peaceful (and 1 in 4 soldiers over there right now is based in San Diego). I wish that I could form an opinion on this issue, but maybe the point is to remain as open-minded as possible. (Meanwhile, to get completely off the topic, trucks are rolling through Alaska to begin drilling...did anyone catch that?)

03-21-2003, 03:09 PM	#2
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	Did the protesters pull out weapons or was it the police? No one on this board has said anything against America or Democracy. I don't think anyone on this board has even said that War is a necessarily bad idea in every case. I've seen people opposed to THIS war in THIS case, not to the troops who are laying their lives onthe line. If we can't be opposed to the policies of the administration... welll then the America you're fighting for doesn't exist.

03-21-2003, 03:17 PM	#4
xerocs Lurk Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rapid City, SoDak Posts: 1,341	case in point... "If we can't be opposed to the policies of the administration... welll then the America you're fighting for doesn't exist"... America was founded with a war... ... I wasn't there so I can't say who was the first to draw weapons... I am sure though that it wasn't the police... but to hell with the protesters anyway.... if they disagree with the president and the war then they can move to france and eat freedom fries... that is also a choice they are allowed to make... i was thinking about making a website where the americans that stand behind their country could contribute aid to the much needed air fare to deport the 1500 or so protesters who find it their duty to crowd streets and resort to violent temper tantrums to get their way... spoiled brats probably had daddies money buy them into berkley anyway.... i am not eating granola and taking three showers a day in protest of the protesters... i hope they like the horseshoe, hardened criminals will probably explain to them the joys of freedom....

03-21-2003, 03:22 PM	#5
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	you know, in the 6 month or so that I've been reading the posts on this board, I've never seen anyone resort to insults. No one is attacking you, xerocs.

03-21-2003, 03:23 PM	#6
xerocs Lurk Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Rapid City, SoDak Posts: 1,341	are you insulted?

03-21-2003, 03:33 PM	#9
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	yep. I am half french and half german... which makes me all american as far as I'm concerned. That any other citizen would like to deport any other citizen for the crime of being passionate enough to speak out against the majority position... that gets me more than a little hot. Our countires strength is that freedom. You yourself point to the difference between our country and others where the protesters would be shot. Would you defend those other countries with your life? Those people that stand in the street today and voice their opinion are Patriots as much as anyone in uniform today. If you can't see that I'd be happier if you took off your uniform, walked to a bus stop and headed home... because you're not defending the America that we as a nation have fought for for 226 years.

03-21-2003, 04:15 PM	#12
Red Princess thread soiler Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: san diego Posts: 4,810	oh man i hear that! i am also ambivalent about the situation, i hate war on principle but some days it feels like only a good ass kicking will make people listen to reason and i understand the oxymoron in that. i guess it is frustration, that we lose patience and resort to hitting instead of kissing. i also wonder about the information we are getting, i go to the BBC website when i am not too depressed to get a different perspective. nyc, before you go off on me, i am not slamming the whole media organiztion. my life's philosophy is "says who?" ok now you can go off, please be gentle __________________ snarky peep

03-21-2003, 04:32 PM	#13
Deviate Butt-F***ing the World Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: the other side of normal Posts: 5,863	screw "kissing" and "making up". this has ticked me off more than anything said on this war to date. people who disagree with this war have been tainted as "unpatriotic" and "unAmerican". i'm sorry, friend, but that is not so. i believe myself to be one of the most patriotic and American of any person i know. not only have my ancestors lived here for centuries, but i also because believe, with the inner being of my soul, in my right to DISAGREE WITH WHOMEVER THE F*CK I WANT. i will defend that right to my death. this country was not founded on war. a war was created by another country who did not want to allow us the freedoms we wanted. this country was founded on DISAGREEING with the GOVERNMENT. our Bill of Rights states that we have the freedoms to speak our minds at any time and place. we are allowed to vote authorities out of office, to appeal unjust court decisions, to burn a flag. the country was founded on the basic belief that we may, at anytime, DISAGREE with the government. never, once, do i recall ANYWHERE in the Constitution that, if we at any time DISAGREE with the government, that we must pack our bags and move to another country that is more pleasant. it is naive to think that it is governmental policies alone that keep citizens in borders. if this were so then revolutions would never happen. instead there would just be population explosions in more popular countries. this is my HOME, this is my FAMILY'S HOME and i will stay on the soil and shout until my lungs BLEED that i disagree with this war. and it is my love for the SPIRIT of this country, it is my PATRIOTISM and my AMERICAN heart that drives me to do just as such. you challenge my right to do so? you should move to another country. embrace the spirit of a government that does not allow its citizens to disagree. i disagree with the policies of my government. but i love this country. -s. leigh thompson

03-21-2003, 04:36 PM	#14
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	yep

03-21-2003, 04:42 PM	#15
Deviate Butt-F***ing the World Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: the other side of normal Posts: 5,863	oh, btw, welcome HoneyB. -st.

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