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08-29-2003, 08:58 AM
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you're right tits. looks like we went off topic there for a bit.
in the end, it's just a paradox isn't it? kind of like an unstoppable object hitting an immovable wall. maybe if god tried to do that he'd just end up blowing himself up or something.... then we'd finally be free from this oppressive, wrathful god that you're supposed to fear and love at the same time.
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08-29-2003, 09:01 AM
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yes, but what about this?
can even god himself explain this? can he move this?  |
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08-29-2003, 09:36 AM
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why is god not an "it"? does it have a gender? is it male or female? and why? my understanding was that god is some sort of entity, a "spirit" ( for lack of a better word ). why is it constantly being referred to as "he"?
i'm really trying to understand this. i can't relate to it. things like "god's will", "god's way of doing things"... i understand and share the belief in certain values. i don't believe that there is an entity out there that wants me to live my life a certain way and whose rules i should obey. |
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08-29-2003, 12:58 PM
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meretricious dilettante
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08-29-2003, 01:38 PM
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didn't jesus die for us because god loves us all? ( wouldn't "he" have to be a person in order to "love" anyone? ) how come some of us still go to this place called "hell"? is that god's form of "tough love"?
i'm not trying to be funny.. i'm really trying to understand. i have talked to many people about this but i'm still not getting it. |
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08-29-2003, 02:16 PM
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ok...
fliptowt: Of course I don't agree that my belief is a "cop out." I'm surprised that you think its easy to be a Christian in this day and age. It would be much easier for me to follow the crowd. I'd save myself a lot of ridiculing and such things, (you find it necessary to make out that I'm stupid because of my belief ? a prime example). Also, to live as a Christian requires much self-discipline to resist things like sex etc. You think that's easy? LOL I'm no mastermind, but I can't see how any human can ever "figure out" why things are the way they are. If anyone does let me know! I can see your point, however. It is easy for me to say "God did it," because that's what I believe is true. But I have no urges to figure out how or why, that's for Him to know. Its much easier than believing that things just appear!! malina: I dont think God has a gender either. The reason He is described as a "He" in the bible I think is because of the time it was written in, and probably just to make things easier! God is a loving God, but He is also a just God. He loves us so much He gave us free will. He loves us so much that he sent his Son to die for us in a horrific way to save us from hell, I think thats pretty generous. I have to admit this is something I struggle with too. I had an older brother who died, he wasn't a Christian. So I'm sure you can imagine how painful that is for me. I can only hope he made some sort of choice right before he died. I hope I answered you're questions, I did my best!  |
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08-29-2003, 02:16 PM
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meretricious dilettante
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According to the Bible, there was a long long period during which in order to receive the approval of God, people felt strongly (and certainly seemed to be being told!) that in order to win the approval of God, they had to follow a number of rules. A large number. And they had to follow them well. Again, according to the Bible, God decided to ease up on humanity a bit after a while, and in order to allow the people to get to know God better, created a bit of himself called Jesus for people to relate to, interact with, learn from, and understand that God really feels their pain, if I may quote ex-President Clinton. The sacrifice of Jesus was a way of saying: Just believe in me, forget the rules, see how much I love you, I'm destroying a bit of myself in a horrible fashion for you. The people ate it up. Hell, as earlier discussed in another thread, can unequivocally be avoided according to the Bible by anyone who manages to accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior prior to the Second Coming. (For an interesting take on this, watch The Rapture with Mimi Rogers and David Duchovny). So apparently the whole avoiding hell business is entirely up to us. This is my understanding. Your mileage may vary. See link above. "The most preposterous notion that H. Sapiens has dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of all the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of His creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest, and least productive industry in all history." —Lazarus Long, Time Enough For Love, 1973)
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08-29-2003, 02:21 PM
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wow, look at this.
im proud of you all for posting your feelings. Keep it up guys, keep it up. this is what forums are meant to be. I love you all, Love... Jesustitties. |
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08-29-2003, 02:42 PM
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god's "love" ( as i have seen it defined ) is very conditional and that just doesn't appeal to me at all. ( "i love all of you, but if you don't believe in me, you'll go to hell" ? ) every person has a right to her/his own beliefs. i enjoy very much listening to other people's opinions and trying to learn and understand, as long as it's understood that there is no "right" and "wrong". there should be no judgment attached when discussing what we want to believe in and live by. |
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08-29-2003, 02:49 PM
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elite rabble
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I believe in beer.
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08-29-2003, 02:51 PM
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are beerdrinkers sinners?
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08-29-2003, 02:53 PM
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