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Hermione · 06-11-2004, 12:02 AM

Does anyone know what the "is/ought" gap is according to Sober?

nycwriters · 06-11-2004, 12:04 AM

After 10 tequilas, Sober left, leaving the dilemma of "is that a cute guy and ought I go home with him?"

Hermione · 06-11-2004, 12:07 AM

hahaha

nycwriters · 06-11-2004, 12:08 AM

If he's a Humist, he will have some kind of religious delineation to him.

Crap, it won't link properly, do a google search on

philosopher sober "is/ought"

Second topic down.

Hermione · 06-11-2004, 12:13 AM

thanks nyc!! That helped a lot!

Audreyvgs · 06-11-2004, 01:49 AM

The Is/Ought Gap (Hume). Hume distinguished between 'is'-statements and 'ought'-statements, and argued that you cannot deduce the latter from the former. This might suggest something like this argument:

1. You can't deduce an 'ought'-statement from 'is'-statements.
2. Every true statement can be deduced from 'is'-statements (and so can the negation of every false statement).
Therefore,
3. 'ought'-statements are neither true nor false.

There's a lot of room for possible further refinements here. Notice that premise 2 is a kind of analog in the metaphysical realm to foundationalism in the epistemological realm._

The weak point here appears to be premise 2. One response is to point out that there are other means than deduction of arriving at one belief from others (notably abduction). A different response is to deny that we need to derive ethical statements from 'is'-statements by any sort of reasoning in order to make them respectable: that ethical statements are different from and not derivable from 'is'-statements does not necessarily make them nonfactual.

(Hume's distinction is often expressed as a distinction between fact and value, but this is question-begging, since it simply assumes that there can't be facts about values!)_

[note: I'm passing over the argument of G. E. Moore that is sometimes referred to as his criticism of "the naturalistic fallacy."]

priceyfatprude · 06-11-2004, 01:51 AM

http://philosophy.com/index.jsp

Audreyvgs · 06-11-2004, 01:52 AM

This kind of answered my "Can you tell if you're being pulled or being pushed if you were blindfolded in a wagon" question.

trisherina · 06-11-2004, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by priceyfatprude
http://philosophy.com/index.jsp

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trisherina · 06-11-2004, 02:15 AM

Sober

06-11-2004, 12:02 AM	#1
Hermione monkey Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,060	Philosophy..? Does anyone know what the "is/ought" gap is according to Sober?

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Audreyvgs Blue's Clues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: on Yur Last Nerve, huh? Posts: 5,412	Christ, am i glad i'm out of school! The Is/Ought Gap (Hume). Hume distinguished between 'is'-statements and 'ought'-statements, and argued that you cannot deduce the latter from the former. This might suggest something like this argument: 1. You can't deduce an 'ought'-statement from 'is'-statements. 2. Every true statement can be deduced from 'is'-statements (and so can the negation of every false statement). Therefore, 3. 'ought'-statements are neither true nor false. There's a lot of room for possible further refinements here. Notice that premise 2 is a kind of analog in the metaphysical realm to foundationalism in the epistemological realm._ The weak point here appears to be premise 2. One response is to point out that there are other means than deduction of arriving at one belief from others (notably abduction). A different response is to deny that we need to derive ethical statements from 'is'-statements by any sort of reasoning in order to make them respectable: that ethical statements are different from and not derivable from 'is'-statements does not necessarily make them nonfactual. (Hume's distinction is often expressed as a distinction between fact and value, but this is question-begging, since it simply assumes that there can't be facts about values!)_ [note: I'm passing over the argument of G. E. Moore that is sometimes referred to as his criticism of "the naturalistic fallacy."]

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06-11-2004, 12:04 AM	#2
nycwriters Stuck in T.O. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Floundering Posts: 4,134	After 10 tequilas, Sober left, leaving the dilemma of "is that a cute guy and ought I go home with him?"

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Hermione monkey Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,060	hahaha

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nycwriters Stuck in T.O. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Floundering Posts: 4,134	If he's a Humist, he will have some kind of religious delineation to him. Crap, it won't link properly, do a google search on philosopher sober "is/ought" Second topic down.

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Hermione monkey Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,060	thanks nyc!! That helped a lot!

06-11-2004, 01:52 AM	#8
Audreyvgs Blue's Clues Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: on Yur Last Nerve, huh? Posts: 5,412	This kind of answered my "Can you tell if you're being pulled or being pushed if you were blindfolded in a wagon" question.