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xerocs · 07-12-2004, 02:48 PM

BANGKOK (Reuters) - A controversy erupted at a global AIDS conference on Monday over whether abstaining from sex or using condoms was more effective to prevent the disease.

what part of this is controversial???

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masterofNone · 07-12-2004, 02:50 PM

i think it reflects a general denial of the fact that fvcking seems to be popular with the kids.

daverbee · 07-12-2004, 04:05 PM

I like this quote by one of the delegates best:

Helene Gayle, head of AIDS programs for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, said one approach was not better than the other.

"The debate is more distracting than it needs to be because we need to get on to the business of saving lives."

priceyfatprude · 07-12-2004, 06:39 PM

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Instead, he called for "optimal relationships based on love and trust instead of institutionalized mistrust which is what the condom is all about."

LOL. Ok. "I dont trust you. Put on a condom." I'll have to remember that, it's a great line.

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"In an age where five million people are newly infected each year and women and girls too often do not have the choice to abstain, an abstinence until marriage program is not only irresponsible, it's really inhumane," Lee said.

What if they don't want to abstain?

Quote:

But Ted Green, a member of Bush's council on AIDS, said programs aimed at changing sexual behavior were not obtaining funding. He also questioned the focus on condoms.

"If you are telling me that people can't stop AIDS unless they buy a product. I simply don't agree with that," he said.

No wonder people are dying.

Quote:

"I am a sexual being, but I recognize HIV/AIDS is a killer," said Onaba. "I will wait until my wedding night."

Famous last words, Britney.

Hermione · 07-12-2004, 08:42 PM

abstinence for life!!

I used to say that.. that is before I knew what it meant..

xfox · 07-13-2004, 01:21 AM

Would education be a start?

masterofNone · 07-13-2004, 01:38 AM

then we'd have smart fvckers with hiv.

xfox · 07-13-2004, 01:40 AM

Hey MoN, I happen to know a doc who is attending this conference. Anytime they can't do their research at home and communicate by the web, you know it's a party.

Too many middlemen.

masterofNone · 07-13-2004, 01:42 AM

and nero fiddled while rome burned.

xfox · 07-13-2004, 01:44 AM

Aren't we just the one...

masterofNone · 07-13-2004, 02:06 AM

well i was listening to these stories tonight and to one about the chinese hiv epidemic and the reporters kept talking about the "stigma of aids" and all i could think was, 'fvcking reagan!' so i'm a little testy about millions of women and children dying because a moronic actor couldn't see past his homophobia to treat the plague of the 20th century as a disease instead of a punishment from the christian god. personally i don't believe god cares where we put our penises, but hey that's me. and so, i was thinking, this "stygma of aids" was wholly born by the religious right. and they say the two parties are so alike.

so. excuse me for not marveling at the parties of researchers and policy makers as they discuss education as a solution.

xfox · 07-13-2004, 02:13 AM

And curing disease is / was Reagan's job?

If government gets any bigger there won't be room for industry.

If you were president, MoN, what would task would you take on first?

Hyakujo's Fox · 07-13-2004, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xerocs
what part of this is controversial???

That people are once again compromising the fight against AIDS to push their religious beliefs?

masterofNone · 07-13-2004, 02:41 AM

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Originally posted by xfox
And curing disease is / was Reagan's job?

If government gets any bigger there won't be room for industry.

If you were president, MoN, what would task would you take on first?

it is certainly not the job of the president to ignore a growing epidemic because he doesn't approve of it's victims' choices. if the disease in question only affected women, how quickly would he have reacted to save his "mommy?" it is not the roll of industry to direct the efforts and the funding of national health organizations such as the cdc. and finally, if i had been president during those years i would have reacted to the growing deaths of all of those young men as i would if they were my uncles and my brothers and my sons... which they were. i would, quite simply, have reacted to their illness and their death with something the religious right seems incapable of, human decency and kindness. hell, even forgiveness, the essential christian virtue, is beyond them.

topcat · 07-13-2004, 02:52 AM

true words masterofnone

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07-12-2004, 02:50 PM	#2
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	i think it reflects a general denial of the fact that fvcking seems to be popular with the kids.

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daverbee Key Lime Pie rocks!!! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oh, yeah! Posts: 7,695	I like this quote by one of the delegates best: Helene Gayle, head of AIDS programs for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, said one approach was not better than the other. "The debate is more distracting than it needs to be because we need to get on to the business of saving lives."

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Hermione monkey Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,060	abstinence for life!! I used to say that.. that is before I knew what it meant..

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xfox slightly effective Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: >>> Posts: 2,404	Would education be a start?

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masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	then we'd have smart fvckers with hiv.

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xfox slightly effective Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: >>> Posts: 2,404	Hey MoN, I happen to know a doc who is attending this conference. Anytime they can't do their research at home and communicate by the web, you know it's a party. Too many middlemen.

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masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	and nero fiddled while rome burned.

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xfox slightly effective Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: >>> Posts: 2,404	Aren't we just the one...

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masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	well i was listening to these stories tonight and to one about the chinese hiv epidemic and the reporters kept talking about the "stigma of aids" and all i could think was, 'fvcking reagan!' so i'm a little testy about millions of women and children dying because a moronic actor couldn't see past his homophobia to treat the plague of the 20th century as a disease instead of a punishment from the christian god. personally i don't believe god cares where we put our penises, but hey that's me. and so, i was thinking, this "stygma of aids" was wholly born by the religious right. and they say the two parties are so alike. so. excuse me for not marveling at the parties of researchers and policy makers as they discuss education as a solution.

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xfox slightly effective Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: >>> Posts: 2,404	And curing disease is / was Reagan's job? If government gets any bigger there won't be room for industry. If you were president, MoN, what would task would you take on first?

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topcat monkey Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: across the st. from the telephone pole Posts: 1,970	true words masterofnone