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JesusTitties · 07-27-2004, 07:54 PM

At what point do we draw the line between living comfortably, and abiding by societys' laws of what is considered successful.

We all know that if we do what we love, then we are already successful. But the unfortunate reality of this is - that and a dollar bill will get you a cup of coffee.

It seems the norm to get the 'important things' in life out of the way before we start to enjoy what life has to offer. School. University. Friends/Family/Find yourself. Marriage. Career, Another Career - and then retirement. Throw a wrench in and add divorce and a few children, but none the less.
At the end of it all, what we all seem to strive for - retirement. THATS when we can start enjoying the good life. Or so it seems we are brought up to be.

It is easy to say "i dont know about that. I am enjoying life right now at this minute and im not looking forward to retirement." But are you really.
When we wittle down the items in life that keep us grounded, the list seems far and wide extremely unimportant. What keeps you in one spot.
-house/apartment payments
-bills
-family in one location
-boyfriends/girlfriends
-a job (which if it were so important, why, at least once a week do we do job searches on the internet? Dont tell me "just to see what else is out there.)

So, in the end- is it worth not living life for what it is at present moment? We create our own opportunities. Fck fate. Fck irony. Fck chance. WE CREATE our own opportunities.

We are where we are right now in life because either conciously or subconciously this is exactly where we wanted to be. To turn around and say "id love to see more of the world but i have family and children and i just cant right now" is bullshit, because you wouldnt of started a family if you didnt want one. You knew what you were sacrificing.

In the end when we are all laying on our deathbeds in the final moments of life - will we be thinking about the 20 years at the company we put in, to get that great pension plan to enjoy the golden years? Or the 4 years in university and the all night cram sessions only to go to work the next day and work 10 hours dead tired? or how about the long drawn out relationships that ended in nothing but bitter resentment in the end.
Doubtful.
You'll be thinking about that time when you were 21 and you took your first risk. Or that time when you were 30 and you decided to jump out of an airplane with nothing more than a nylon blanket to get you to the ground. Or, that time you said fck it i love this girl/boy and i want to settle down - even though its not who i think i am. Starting families in this day and age is also a risk, and i acknowledge that.

Why cant the golden years consist of the age between 21 and 35. Its time to stop writing "Ambition - To Travel" in our yearbooks and to actually reach down and grab a pair.

masterofNone · 07-27-2004, 07:56 PM

who do you need to convince?

melissa · 07-27-2004, 08:22 PM

What about people who are lucky enough to have a job that they enjoy?

masterofNone · 07-27-2004, 08:29 PM

i started doing what i do for a living as a hobby. truth is i'd do it for free most of the time. the fact that i get paid to do it is a constant source of giggles to me. i think i'll be doing something like it until i kick.

dinzdale · 07-27-2004, 08:36 PM

Maybe JT's just got old / wise enough to regret. When you can regret and dont care is where understanding comes in. Regret on it's own is useless and debilitating. Learn to feel regret and then still say fvck it and get on with living how you want to JT.

melissa · 07-27-2004, 08:47 PM

MoN, what do you do?

masterofNone · 07-27-2004, 08:48 PM

ummmm.... click

melissa · 07-27-2004, 08:55 PM

Thanks MoN. I hope that I get a job that I'm passionate about. Or that I get a job that allows me to do my volunteer stuff.

masterofNone · 07-27-2004, 09:03 PM

melissa, you joined the board on the same day i did. you've been lurking for nearly two years?

melissa · 07-27-2004, 09:06 PM

um, yeah.

Like I said, I'm more of an observer. I like watching groups of people and how they interact with eachother.

melissa · 07-27-2004, 09:07 PM

And just to clarify, I never meant to be creepy or anything.

masterofNone · 07-27-2004, 09:32 PM

anthropological study of zemonkeys in the wild. i understand completely.

priceyfatprude · 07-27-2004, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melissa
And just to clarify, I never meant to be creepy or anything.

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rmr · 07-27-2004, 09:36 PM

"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin-real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one. Happiness is a journey, not a destination..." -Souza

It's funny you brought up this subject....i had a long talk with a good friend a few days ago about the same thing and she sent me this quote.

I stopped living in the moment a long time ago......i'm hoping to get back there one day.

ps there's nothing creepy about lurking.....we've all done it from time to time. glad that you finally wanted to post.....it took me several months to feel comfortable enough to do it so i totally understand and now look at me

priceyfatprude · 07-27-2004, 09:42 PM

"Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans" --John Lennon

I think for most of us, the funding is not there. That is the only thing holding me back from traveling the world, it is what keeps us working. Everything costs money.

07-27-2004, 07:54 PM	#1
JesusTitties ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤ Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,124	Meat and Potato At what point do we draw the line between living comfortably, and abiding by societys' laws of what is considered successful. We all know that if we do what we love, then we are already successful. But the unfortunate reality of this is - that and a dollar bill will get you a cup of coffee. It seems the norm to get the 'important things' in life out of the way before we start to enjoy what life has to offer. School. University. Friends/Family/Find yourself. Marriage. Career, Another Career - and then retirement. Throw a wrench in and add divorce and a few children, but none the less. At the end of it all, what we all seem to strive for - retirement. THATS when we can start enjoying the good life. Or so it seems we are brought up to be. It is easy to say "i dont know about that. I am enjoying life right now at this minute and im not looking forward to retirement." But are you really. When we wittle down the items in life that keep us grounded, the list seems far and wide extremely unimportant. What keeps you in one spot. -house/apartment payments -bills -family in one location -boyfriends/girlfriends -a job (which if it were so important, why, at least once a week do we do job searches on the internet? Dont tell me "just to see what else is out there.) So, in the end- is it worth not living life for what it is at present moment? We create our own opportunities. Fck fate. Fck irony. Fck chance. WE CREATE our own opportunities. We are where we are right now in life because either conciously or subconciously this is exactly where we wanted to be. To turn around and say "id love to see more of the world but i have family and children and i just cant right now" is bullshit, because you wouldnt of started a family if you didnt want one. You knew what you were sacrificing. In the end when we are all laying on our deathbeds in the final moments of life - will we be thinking about the 20 years at the company we put in, to get that great pension plan to enjoy the golden years? Or the 4 years in university and the all night cram sessions only to go to work the next day and work 10 hours dead tired? or how about the long drawn out relationships that ended in nothing but bitter resentment in the end. Doubtful. You'll be thinking about that time when you were 21 and you took your first risk. Or that time when you were 30 and you decided to jump out of an airplane with nothing more than a nylon blanket to get you to the ground. Or, that time you said fck it i love this girl/boy and i want to settle down - even though its not who i think i am. Starting families in this day and age is also a risk, and i acknowledge that. Why cant the golden years consist of the age between 21 and 35. Its time to stop writing "Ambition - To Travel" in our yearbooks and to actually reach down and grab a pair.

07-27-2004, 09:42 PM	#15
priceyfatprude girthy pickles Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: under your desk Posts: 9,313	"Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans" --John Lennon I think for most of us, the funding is not there. That is the only thing holding me back from traveling the world, it is what keeps us working. Everything costs money. __________________ "We like your board's features...but don't care about it's people"

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07-27-2004, 07:56 PM	#2
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	who do you need to convince?

07-27-2004, 08:22 PM	#3
melissa monkey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: on the go Posts: 3,657	What about people who are lucky enough to have a job that they enjoy?

07-27-2004, 08:29 PM	#4
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	i started doing what i do for a living as a hobby. truth is i'd do it for free most of the time. the fact that i get paid to do it is a constant source of giggles to me. i think i'll be doing something like it until i kick.

07-27-2004, 08:36 PM	#5
dinzdale King of the špatnýs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: was that dog Posts: 9,411	Maybe JT's just got old / wise enough to regret. When you can regret and dont care is where understanding comes in. Regret on it's own is useless and debilitating. Learn to feel regret and then still say fvck it and get on with living how you want to JT.

07-27-2004, 08:47 PM	#6
melissa monkey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: on the go Posts: 3,657	MoN, what do you do?

07-27-2004, 08:48 PM	#7
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	ummmm.... click

07-27-2004, 08:55 PM	#8
melissa monkey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: on the go Posts: 3,657	Thanks MoN. I hope that I get a job that I'm passionate about. Or that I get a job that allows me to do my volunteer stuff.

07-27-2004, 09:03 PM	#9
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	melissa, you joined the board on the same day i did. you've been lurking for nearly two years?

07-27-2004, 09:06 PM	#10
melissa monkey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: on the go Posts: 3,657	um, yeah. Like I said, I'm more of an observer. I like watching groups of people and how they interact with eachother.

07-27-2004, 09:07 PM	#11
melissa monkey Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: on the go Posts: 3,657	And just to clarify, I never meant to be creepy or anything.

07-27-2004, 09:32 PM	#12
masterofNone ________ Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,131	anthropological study of zemonkeys in the wild. i understand completely.

07-27-2004, 09:36 PM	#14
rmr Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,595	"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin-real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one. Happiness is a journey, not a destination..." -Souza It's funny you brought up this subject....i had a long talk with a good friend a few days ago about the same thing and she sent me this quote. I stopped living in the moment a long time ago......i'm hoping to get back there one day. ps there's nothing creepy about lurking.....we've all done it from time to time. glad that you finally wanted to post.....it took me several months to feel comfortable enough to do it so i totally understand and now look at me