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Before We Go Live

I think it's funnier if we just say "Fabuloso Friday is Brewing."
and leave the rest of the 'before we go live' gag to the moustache.

Duckie Con Song

Okay, everyone wanted a song, but there wasn't one there, so I took a stab at it. Feel free to contribute lyrics, make musical suggestions, etc... I just wanted to get the ball rolling here. I'm thinking, four lines with real simple, silly lyrics to be shouted with James Brown-ish funkiness. Fifteen seconds, in and out. (I left extra at the end in case anyone wants to try remixing it further.) Worrydream 15:32, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Trust my Audience/ Media Effects

I notice people cutting every joke that breaks the 'fifth wall' and is basically about Ze fighting with the audience/writers. Why?

Because this is our way of interacting through him.

The Trust the Audience section was better Wednesday at 6pm. All the shitty lines starting with "Because" need to go, except the "trust my auduience" one. Hard Charging Assholes keep ruining the flow of the script to interject asanine comments..--Scooby Poop 10:37, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Agree. AaronSJ? --Ronen

Sudanese Genocide

This section is in especially poor taste and should be cut or radically changed. Although I agree with its political leanings, it seems to be a shoddy attempt to shoehorn its agenda into the script without any coherent structure or worthwhile content (hence all the [insert gags] tags). Also, something about inserting gags into a segment about genocide leaves me very cold. What do you guys think?

  • agree about 'shoddy attempt to shoehorn political agenda', but I don't think it's poor taste, b/c it give said issue exposure
  • I cut it down and changed the angle. Worrydream 02:29, 8 June 2006 (PDT)
Works for me, though I just cut the "S-s-s-something from another continent" line which felt weak. Mr malaise 04:05, 8 June 2006 (PDT)
SOLAMENTE GAGS! RunningFool 13:37, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
I really liked that line, so I put it back.  :) If someone cuts it again, I'll leave it cut. Worrydream 11:36, 8 June 2006 (PDT)
Can I just, like, cut it again? Will that do it? Mr malaise 11:54, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Vloggercon

This section blows. Cut it. Dirty Space News isn't looking too hot either.

  • maybe, but it's relevant and needs mention. Plus, gotta save the super-powered duckies.
But we have to poke fun at vloggercon. Besides *Amanda Congdon* goes to vloggercon! --Gelbi 05:08, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Rewrote. Worrydream 17:01, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Final Edit Policy

We can't just have Ze grab whatever version is sitting there at a pre-set time, because people could simply put crap up there. I say he should be final editor, but the rule is that he doesn't put in any content he didn't get from the script. Meaning he can cut, go to earlier drafts if he wants, etc. (Someone has to, people keep putting unfunniness not on the main page, and taking away the funny.) --anon contributor

=:agree:=: out of booze and stuck in a tent "but" people love ugly where there's no winning only losing --psychic fanblade
The problem with letting Ze be the final editor is, well, he doesn't really seem to be into talking to us, and we can't really make him do anything. We'll do our best to make sure a consistently non-crappy version is on the page, and that's really all we can do. If Ze wants to make cuts or additions or user an earlier draft, he certainly will --AaronStJ 23:58, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

who is we? you and your wee little pirates? If we is we who we say we are then we want ze to weed out which wee bites he likes or doesn't and the rest of we or the we we want to put it to a wee vote ylt -making a better door than window


Growing some people skills – you'll need um. This is what you "shoulda woulda coulda" said and done. sort of... “There's a problem, Ze hasn't said much about the project, but he has left the door wide open for almost anything; just no nudity. I think everyone is doing their best, I have not taken ze's silence to mean I have any authority what-so-ever. However, I have organized ALL the suggestions submitted, every last one and they are there for all to see (click here). I've left no one out, including the discussions, nor have I tried to manipulate favor for the ones I prefer; I have a separate area for that, see my script with the other complete and incomplete scripts submitted (click here). I have absolutely no authority and I've picked no favorites, nor do I work for Wiki. I did this because I have time on my hands, maybe too much time, I don't have to work like a lot of you and I like a project where everyone gets to participate. I think I can organize a voting system based on the three areas I learned in my basic jr. college communications course: Opening – Body – Closing, maybe a few sub-categories for the different body topics; I wish I had done that from the start, live and learn I guess :) I'll make sure all the suggestions are entered for easy access and I'll snap right to it. Oh, and one last thing, if I bothered or insulted you or anyone in private messages I am eternally sorry for being such a hard charging big dick. Just thinking I acted that way makes me shutter or it should"


Getting things under control

I would like to do some structural changes. Obviously we have different views and well Wiki pages over 30k become a bit tedious to edit. So here's the idea, let the main page focus more on higher level issues, like the ordering and picking of scripts. It can contain placeholders with links to the individual script that are edited separately. Once we reach a consensus on something, we move it to the main page. What do you think? --Gelbi 12:44, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

I did this for the S-s-something for the comments and I think it works... Tell me to stop, or I will continue with two more sections --Gelbi 13:04, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

This seems to work. It also helps focus the discussion, and makes it a lot easier to work on different versions of the same segment. --AaronStJ 14:13, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Suggestions for cutting this down

Trimming it down is important but I don't see a really democratic way of doing it. Eventually it will just boil down to who is doing the most editing. It seems that content is disappearing when people restructure and as far as I know - we aren't supposted to be deleting stuf - YET.

Yeah, I just had two run-on-sentences deleted by an enemy of intentionally-ran-on sentences, without them being placed on another page :-(

As far as guidelines go - I think the show should suck. I think the whole point of this isn't to make the perfect show - but to make a funny Variety Show with crappy inside jokes. We could really use a reduction in the fevered ego department and try to stick to having fun. Why do we have to any real news or even follow any format. It could be just an absurd video of Ze in a pink spandex scuba costume playing Yankee Doodle with his nostrils. (sepll Cehck)

Cut the Starbucks Product Placement section. explanation is tagged in the current script.

Yes and I moved it to this page (see below), I will link to it from the main page... Each script should have a link... Maybe each script should have its own page and then it would have its own talk page. --Gelbi 08:15, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

I love the opening through the multiple "I'm a huge douchebag" lines. The rest of the douche gags I think already got done by ze better when he was in France. I'd vote for cutting all of it from multiple douchebag lines to "Are the new viewers gone yet?"

I agree, this is a good place to trim the script. I'd want to keep the "Listen, can I call you back? I just got out of the douche." joke, though. But I think we should leave it for now... AaronStJ 16:25, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
One of the staples of the "Are the new users gone?" question is that it's the last thing ze says before launching into the show proper. Could the "just got out of the douche" line perhaps be the stinger/freeze frame line at the end of the show? That would tie the whole thing back to the beginning. Bobbie mac 13:25, 7 June 2006 (EST)
Rethinking this, I like the "Are the old viewers gone?" joke at the end. If you really love the "just got out of the douche" line, maybe it could come before the "Are the new viewers gone yet?" questions, which is the traditional end to ze's quirkier starting segments. Bobbie mac 13:34, 7 June 2006 (EST)

Sorry, I don't think the douchebag stuff is quite in the spirit of the show, and becomes a bit 'obvious'. I did an alternative opening where Ze gets made to do other stupid stuff.

I don't really like the "parting shot" idea, not because it's not clever, but because that's more in keeping with the user comments, not with something Ze does/would do himself. Besides, at the risk of being called a Hard Charger, I always thought the "First!" gag was kinda lame.

Check out the 'first!' joke in the 's-s-s-somethin from the comments' section... that may actually be a better place in which to comment on it.
I actually rather liked the 'First!' parting shot, it can be said in so many ways; Hysterical Shout-out (imitating noobies), Monotone in black and white (yeah, another one), Conspiratory Whisper (could have all sorts of meanings), Tired drone (oh, god, not another one. look at what they're making me say). It's a cute inside-joke. --CeruleanNinja
ze did a whole tiny rap on the 'first' comments just a couple of weeks ago. This seems more like the ongoing argument between the viewers than something for the show. Bobbie mac 16:40 7 June 2006 (EST)

The current script, while decent, has too many jokes Ze has already made. We should aim for something reminiscent of Ze's style without being merely a rehash of old material.

Start thinking like 6th graders. I think ze should open the show sitting on the toilet; only showing him from the shoulders up, but giving the illusion that he is on the toilet doing his business.(struggling)"Goooooood MORNING sportsracers!" (big smile look of ahhh) then flash quickly to his regulare spot in front of the computer. "Good morning sports racers it's Fabuloso Friday...!" then something about some governmental agency giving the tax payers a turd (or play on the word turd). IMO for a guy who spliced a series of burps to open his vlog this is closer to his style. Plus HE dared me!

Whilst toilet humour is, like 'teh funneh', defecating 'live' isn't. The shot that opens the show now works for the simple reason that the dignified repose is in direct contrast to the poopy jokes later. Cutting from one poo to another poo, significantly takes away from the comedic effect. --CeruleanNinja

That is if the script, as it now stands, remains intact. If this thing is finished then let's move on to other things.

Schamaun, let's move on. Let's put it up to vote 'Should we cut [insert section]' / 'Is [insert section title] fine/needs more work'? (hooray for democracy) Let's get on with polishing, already! --CeruleanNinja

The s-s-s-something sections could use one or two cherry picked from each...say one coments flavor, and then mix it up with a bible one. I am currently at a loss for a segway or lead in, but perhaps making the coments lead into the bible would help the sections flow a bit better.Rooksarii 10:34, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Sorry to disagree with you, Ninja, but I wouldn't read the "parting shot" multiple ways; to me, it just screams 'hysterical poster," which should be satirized more pointedly in other ways (a la the first post in Something from the Comments).

Aw, ok then. Ask the people, I'll follow. --CeruleanNinja

As for cherring-picking from both, the problem with that is that, as it currently stands, the Something from the Bible sketch (and its been pointed out by other readers here) is just not that funny.

put it up for a vote? - leave it in the hands of a hard charger with a proxy? thought I heard this was a republic not a democracy. now go look in the mirror and call yourself douch bag five times ;)

The S-s-s-something from the comments page is evolving well, we can really pick the best elements from there. :) I'll third the storage of the 'Bible' section away, till next time. --CeruleanNinja

I second that, CNinja :)

sections to cut?

  • Sudan section
  • VOTE by Bobbie mac
  • VOTE by Sepll Cehck

Gay Marriage

I deleted the "Gay Butt-Sex" and italian accent stuff. What are we, 13? Gee, people wanting Ze to say he's gay, never heard that one before...

Also, I took out the "bus-bi stuff because it doesn't make sense without the old cactus/cacti material.
  • The joke isn't Ze saying he's gay. The joke is his audience being juvenile and trying to get him to say he's gay, and him fighting the audience. And yes, I think a fair number of people think it's funny. Let's leave it in and link to the debate page for it. Ze can cut it if he likes. (That's what the debate page is for.)
Personally I don't like it. Sounds too juvenile. Makes it sound like Ze's viewers are just a bunch of teenage retards and not the intelligent sophisticated people we actually are. ;-) Mr malaise 04:11, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

this is very unlike Ze, more like Chandler Bing or something -- it almost begs for some background laughter! -?

I disagree. I can hear him saying it. The slippery slope thing is common, and the getting kinda sidetracked is common, and contradicting himself for comedic effect is not uncommon. AaronStJ 15:51, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
Besides this is less Chandler Bing and more Ze getting confused with the script. It's as if it's a running editing process in his brain, like on Wiki. --CeruleanNinja
But then he should lash out at us, the wiki, or the Bobo twins. --Gelbi 16:36, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
I don't disagree with the concept, the punchline is just badly delivered! -?
Sure, I can see that. Any ideas on a better punchline? AaronStJ 15:56, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
Have Ze look away then turn back and repeat the last line.Yves 16:44, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
Replace
[Ze looks away from camera]
Ze: Wait, where was I going with this?
[Cut to close up of Ze's eye]
Ze: Luckily, on the internet, anybody can watch virtually anyone do anything any time.
with
Ze: Or the internet because some day you might accidentally read the word "Vlogger" --Maus 17:14, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
Yeah, I like the last suggestion... I was thinking in the line of hinting at the slippery slope and the Sorites paradox, by asking "how many grains of information do you need to form a heap of knowledge?", but I can't get this to work, so I think vlogger thing is the way. --Gelbi 18:05, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
I like that grains of information line. That should go in the intro somewhere.Yves 12:39, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Someone edited the line to keep the joke and place the blame squarely on us. I think it's fixed. --AaronStJ 18:47, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

What happened to the bedazzling the livestock line? That was awesome. i can't seem to find it in the older versions, but would someone please put it back?!!!! I almost squirted milk out my eyes when i read it.

I know the 'banning gay marriage is like" lines have stood the test of time, but it seems like were comparing gay marriage to some things which are inherently bad. I can't think of anything yet, but I think the tone should be "Banning gay marriage because somebody thinks it's bad is like banning (something not inherently bad) because (something true, but absurd). (Like banning Santa to save Christmas would be my sucky example). Bobbie mac

Asshole Babies Section

Does anyone else think that some of the baby photos in the Asshole babies section are inappropriate? I mean the one of the dolls dressed in military gear is brilliant, but the one of the baby with big teeth seems to be just making fun of people with deformities, which Ze never does.

I think some of the images need to be trimmed down, or put into a more comedic context, both here and in the Closing section.Yves 12:42, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
Yeah, some user just uploaded a ton of images, and I think they definitely need to be trimmed down. Most of them aren't funny, and don't really make sense. If we do nothing but show images, we never get to see Ze. --AaronStJ 14:14, 7 June 2006 (PDT)


SOME ANIMALS ARE JUST MORE EQUAL

What is your problems? People are trying to contribute, tossing around ideas, inspiring others. You on the other hand have hijack this whole project like it belonged to you alone. You continue to trash other people's ideas, insult them, delete their stuff, and arbitrarily hide what you've moved from sight, and with what authority? Why are you being such a dick and a hard charger? In my opinion you are ruining this for the whole community. You have certainly ruined it for me. Smells and tastes like http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/animalfarm/

I assume you're talking to me. I don't think I've been trashing people's ideas, but I have deleted a fair amount of unfunny ideas. I do it with the authority that this is a wiki, and that's how they work. I have absolutely hidden nothing. The wiki keeps a history of eveything. You can see every single version of the page, just click the history link at the top of the page, and then click on the date of the version you want to see. If I remove I joke I think is unfunny, and you don't, put it back in. That's how the wiki works. Eventually with everyone adding and deleting jokes, we'll reach a kind of concensus. If I have more deletes than i have additions (which I certainly do), it's just because I'm much better at editting than coming up with new idea. Anyway, that's my story. If you weren't talking about me, well, I don't know what to tell you. --AaronStJ 23:51, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

--- "I have deleted a fair amount of unfunny ideas"

"I have absolutely hidden nothing. The wiki keeps a history of eveything. You can see every single version of the page, just click the history link at the top of the page, and then click on the date of the version you want to see."

"I have more deletes "

" I'm much better at editting"


FFTF that's all I have to say about that. ---

Well you are just being childish here. I spent a lot of time working on World Cup section and it will probably be tossed out. Of course, it's disappointing, but I think getting this whole project working is far more important than whether my section gets included or not. And Aaron has done more to get this to work than anyone. I just wish we had first voted on the scripts we wanted based on rough drafts. Almost all articles are currently very well written and so lots of editing effort will be wasted. --Gelbi 15:37, 8 June 2006 (PDT)


No, you are missing the point - it's not what was cut it was how this guy decide to take the project over and be a dick about it. Read Communal Art. I've lost nothing of what I contributed in ideas, and I have been well compensated in almost every section. As I said, what I resented is his manner in dealing with me and other people, at his dismissiveness and the arrogance of many of his comments. It's not a matter of thinking you are good at one skill or job, it's the character of a person that makes a good leader; how one works with people in a leadership roll. Just because no one is not getting paid for contributing this is still supposed to be fun and creative, for everyone, not run like a dictatorship. He stated that he was a good editor, I disputed that, an editor doesn't take what he doesn't like and toss it in a heap and then belittle the contributors, especially in a community effort, it's abusive and makes for bad feelings all around.

Starbucks Product Placement

Somebody wrote on the main page: I suggest cutting this whole segment. The Coffee/ Iraq connection doesn't really make sense, and the Starbucks cuts are almost exactly the same as the "Starbucks: it makes me have to shit" sequence Ze did a little while ago. Plus Coca-Coca Blak? Ralph Nader? These are more rehashes of old material

I wrote/edited a chunk of it, but I'm game to cut it. Seems like we should do something with product placement, and something with the 'caffeine/open-minded' thing, but maybe not together and maybe not for this show... Hokie Mokie
  • I really liked the Coke Blak reference - it wasn't a rehash, it was a reference, original, relevant, and funny. I say put it back. And add a spit take. --bodog_formerly_byslexic 17:17, 7 June 2006 (PDT)


I think we should blame fabuloso friday on starbucks. Since ze drinks so much coffee and is now letting us do the show

The current line "Bobo Twins" doesn't work anymore. I'm pretty sure it was in reference to the puppet image of ze that use to appear right before the line (which would make sense, since the Bobo twins seem to love making ze look silly). I added some images to the puppet line to help the "orc/warrior" reference and get a dig in at current White House pupp...errr...press sec. Tony Snow. : )

Yeah, why blame the twins when we are in charge of The Show? Personally I'd probably ditch the whole Starbucks section too. It does nothing for me even its current edited form. Mr malaise 04:38, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

I think we should cut 1/2 of the starbucks bit. Make the joke about blaming starbucks for the show - and cut the political rambling and copy cat format

Shouldn't the joke be that HE'S taking money from Starbucks? I mean, what else would explain why he drinks the corporate behemoth swill. It totally doesn't fit his persona. (Also, I agree we should cut the section down.) (Yes, I added the corporate behemoth part. Watching Ze drink Starbucks bothers me every single time.)

Since I last checked (last night) someone has radically altered this section, for the worse.

This section has gone to pieces now. Let's ditch it. All in favor say "aye". Mr malaise 12:11, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

I agree, reluctantly. I liked it yesterday, but if we're gonna keep this under three minutes, this should be the first section cut. --Rocco

I really think we should trim this. When I vote for it it was probably less than 30 seconds. Now it is far too long. Keep the first part - ditch the other.

Dye Ze's Hair

I recently saw something in the script about Ze's hair being dyed purple. It has since been removed from the script. I think having him dye his hair will certainly fit into the "i dare you" plea from Ze. It will also relate very well to the constant comments about his hairstyle(s). I think his hair should be dyed pink, though, so that it's something else gay that he likes.

I agree that we should at least attemp to get him to dye his hair. He can always chicken out with the spray. --AaronStJ 18:48, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Even crazier would be to have him actually shave and comb his hair. Okay, it doesn't sound crazy, but it's a most normal thing that Ze doesn't do.

For the love of goodness! Leave the locks alone. (Although I agree with the dye idea, Pink being the operational colour)... --CeruleanNinja

I don't care about the color, but it's easy to get some temporary color spray and I think his hair would look cool some other color. So this is a vote for putting that back in.

Moustache

I don't know if he needs to dye his hair, but it seems we should take the opportunity to dress him up: Mustasch, underwear as a hat, draw cat wiskers, duckie pox, if he's willing shave his eye browns...

You know, they don't always grow back.
Moustache! That's what we need. I can get one at the costume store on 11th and 3rd ave and deliver it to him tomorrow. It would be great to specify that he wears a moustache for 3-4 sections, but never mentions it. Solamente continuity gags!



Parting Shot

This seems like something that belongs in the reader comments, and not something Ze is a part of. If you guys still need to cut stuff out, this should go. Also, its not that funny. --emmanuel75.18.116.20 20:23, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

Yes, I think "are the old viewers gone yet" is a much classier way to end it. --Gelbi 20:28, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
However, now this section has improved, the T-Shirt is new and makes quite a difference... or I just didn't notice it. Well, all the more reason not to prematurely rule out sections!!! --Gelbi 07:43, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
I liked that a lot. Someone deleted it, as well as my plea for someone to put it back. I just don't like the "Old Viewers" joke. The humor is there, but it just doesn't have that spark at the end of the show that we need. Him wearing a "New Viewer" T-shirt and shouting "First" is clssic.

Please NO FIRST!!

see, I just don't understand everyone's aversity to this. Why isn't that funny? I just edited this section one last time to something I feel is a little more coherent. We need to vote on an appropriate ending, it seems. Some who knows what they're doing care to help out?


I just moved that "are the old viewers gone yet" piece to the end of the first segment... I thought it'd be funnier in the place where it would normally appear in the show. No hurt feelings if it gets moved back, of couse.

I vote for "Are the old viewers gone yet?" to appear at the end of the show. It's a great twist to the new viewer joke and carries the implication that we've done such a crappy job we've run everyone off. Which...maybe we have. : ) Bobbie mac 13:32, 7 June 2006 (EST)
  • How bout: "Friday's not so frigging fabuloso now, is it?" Mr malaise 12:09, 8 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Oh and am I the only one who doesn't like the whole one-picture-per-frame sequence thingy. Mr malaise 12:09, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Timeline?

How bout adding a second by second timeline to the script? The current version seems ridiculously long.

cuts will be made at the last minute, that's the easy part

Maybe at least give an idea for how long a shot/piece of dialogue should last, even guessing at seconds. Rooksarii 10:43, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Working together

I have to work with others?

Yes, we have to work together, otherwise the Bobo twins will wind up writing the whole thing.

Editing style

The important thing to remember is Ze's editing style - quick cuts, lots of zoom-level changes, occasional slow-mo... most shots are in the 10-seconds-or-less range.

Call me crazy, but why not get creative with the filming? Here we have the reins to the show, and all we want to do is mimic what was shown before? Do what *you* want to do!
I kinda agree, kinda not... the idea is to write ZE's show. This is what Ze's show is like. You could change it completely, but then it's not really The Show. Know what ah mean? --[LOA] bodog_formerly_byslexic 17:23, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Dirty Space News

I love the dirty space news segment ze does, but shouldn't this be something current and, well...dirty? I'm not following the solar flare angle.

I proposed the three armed baby [1], which is very much in the news and well the third arm, which has been succesfully operated away could have been quite handy... the picture at least is a bit *dirty* ... I know it's immature, unsophisticated and a bit cruel... not really Ze's style, but maybe he could make it work. Besides, the operation was successful, so it's not that cruel :)

Hmm, I don't agree with making 'fun' of the kid, it's giving off Victorian Freak-Show vibes. --CeruleanNinja


Did he REALLY say HANDy?

I'm also not following the long intro with the cornflakes. DNS is usually some tidbit of real space news with a lot of sexual innuendo. I think we should stick with that. "Jupiter blowing" seems to be working out. Maybe we'll luck into something even dirtier this week.

See here for some current space news [2] And here [3] for a fair number of amusing comments about it (Just look for anything marked 5: Funny). For the "dirty space" angle I'm particularly fond of " (Quote from article) 'a youngster of a storm only six years old. Compared to the Great Red Spot, Red Jr. is half-sized, able to swallow Earth merely once, but it blows just as hard as its older cousin.' I'm not sure what interplanetary law is, but over here, we call that 'statutory rape'. "

Progress

I really like how everything's coming together, but the dadaist inside me really hopes that someone edits it at the last minute to be nothing but three minutes of Ze saying "boners". --Maus 14:18, 6 June 2006 (PDT)

But now that you've said it, it wouldn't be dadaist any more to do it. --Sford 14:48, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
Yeah, my inner dadaist knows that and is pretending not to care. --Maus 17:09, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
If you want it to reflect something dada it's not too late. First you would have to finish the project or all segments, then cut everything up, toss it in a bag, shake, then randomly pick segments out in one, two, three, four, five second segments. Line them up in the order picked and hit play.

Too many people poking at the guy, this isn't a voodoo doll. Use the game theory.

Give an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters and they will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare

Typing Monkeys Don't Write Shakespeare
Neither does Ze.

then you aren't paying attention

Fred Durst

invite fred durst to cohost? talk about his early childhood?

Fred Durst? FIRST!

Radical edit suggestions

Personally I would cut S-s-s-something from the Bible. It shows up some zany weird stuff in the Old Testament, sure, but isn't snappy enough. Takes too long to get nowhere.

The World Cup section is also weak. Which is a shame as Fabuloso Friday will coincide with the start of the tournament. Someone seriously needs to kick this up a notch or lose it. (The Cole/Beckham pic has potential but the direct comment on it doesn't seem to be Ze's style IMHO.)

The direct comment is currently an explanation asking for someone gifted to do something about it, I think it's a too good picture to just discard... I just got an idea... --Gelbi 06:05, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Lose these two sections and the show's a lot tighter, methinks. Mr malaise 03:02, 7 June 2006 (PDT)


on topic: ADD "US troops accused of new murders in Iraq " http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060606/pl_afp/iraq rewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewrite


This script needs to be more biting. ze should “blame” sports racers for putting this show together and for the opening shots. [flashes of bush and cheney blaming looking guilty] Then he should say, “they made me say that” then he should say (reading script, stilted) "I think you are all (pause) hard charging douch bags (?)” ze looks up, pouts, wide eyes, almost crying, blaming “SEE they made me say that!” shows script - flash (whispering) “but you know I really love you, I love you all... like a kitten loves milk.” “In the news…”

Look, how do you make it more biting? We are obviously trying to make it as biting and awesome as possible. It's not that easy to just make it more biting... So if Ze should blame sport racers, then please add some to the script. There are some of it already scattered accross it. Then flashes of bush and cheeney, at least find cool pics and link them, maybe somebody will use them. And you are more than welcome to open a new section in the script, where other people can help improve it. --Gelbi 07:50, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

OK this is what I think might work. I would be interested in taking everything that has been offered, and may I suggest the person who moved all the ideas that were located under the article page put them back, then everyone interested have at it. Write new scripts with all the materials now available. Then set a time line to post all the new or reworked scripts. Then after those are posted have at it again, polish them up. Submit several to ze and let him choose. I can't figure out how this could be completed, unless there are some limits set or a time line given, but maybe I missed that part. IOW, when is the paper for this class due?

The ideas were moved to Brainstorming because the Wiki was getting too slow. Your plans seem a bit too perfectionistic. I think things are turning up quite okay and it's not too late for different scripts!!! --Gelbi 08:39, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

This whole script thing was much better yesterday (Tuesday around 6pm). This is a case of too many moron cooks" taking over the edit process. Does anyone have the script from yesterday saved? It had nuance. The people who've edited it since took all the good stuff out. It'd be good to have the drafts posted so we can compare the new to the old.

Wiki has everything saved. Ever. Click on the history tabon the article. -AaronStJ 10:10, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

ze? can we get an extension till Monday? Could be Mondo Monday.... Pleeeeeeeease!

It's hard to see this getting whipped into shape for Friday.

Bah. If you ask me, until Friday is too long. Too much time for the Hard Chargers to notice and screw things up. --AaronStJ 10:10, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
It's really not THAT bad... I suggest we put the removal of some sections (already suggested above) up to vote, THEN concentrate on improving the ones that remain. How about that, peeps? --CeruleanNinja
Honestly there is some great stuff coming out here. Trimming and tightening up the transitions and exactly WHAT Ze should do expression, voice and camera wise seem to be the only major things left. We have a wellspring of ideas and media to work with.Rooksarii 10:46, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Monkeys, dancing

Since this is an experiment in infinite monkey theory, it would only only be fitting to start the show with "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"

-/Entropy Stew/-

Ze covers himself entirely in peanut butter

NOT. LETTING. THIS. DIE.

And jelly?

Honey, do honey.

  • ...and then a bag of feathers (!). ¬__¬

AAAA

Why are only two people running this thing?

Don't you mean ruining?Yves 16:36, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
Only two people are putting in the effort. It's a wiki, and none of us are admins, so there's no real "running" going on. We can't do anything that you can't easily undo. Some people seem to have more power than other people because they just edit more. So edit back. And if you have any specific issues, please voice them rather than just random sulking. --AaronStJ 23:54, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
  • jumps about* Me! You forgot memememe! As far as I can tell, there are a couple of people with superior organising skills doing the maintaining, such as making new pages for sections and resurrecting deleted scripts, etc. There ARE still lots of people mini-editing things, adding lil' bits here and there, so it appears to be collaborative, with a coupla-peeps keeping order. --CeruleanNinja

--- "We can't do anything that you can't easily undo."

That's a double edge sword buckaroo. This carefree comment is just asking for trouble.

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1st, stop saying "we" like you have consensus. 2nd, when people put their ideas up you remove them within minutes then label them hard chargers or belittle them. You need to get off your high horse and stop guilt tripping people to get your way. That only works in the movies and the Bush Administration ylt.

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LOL. This wouldn't be teh internets if people didn't squabble and call each other names when they're supposed to be working together. Why not have the whole script tail off into a rant between multiple Ze's who start insulting each other because the script sucks and their ideas were edited out etc etc. And it all ends when one Ze likens the whole thing to Hitler and Nazi Germany a la Godwin's law. Mr malaise 03:22, 8 June 2006 (PDT)


Excellent idea and imagrey! cept i think the hitler part is a bit harsh...how about flashes of Sen. Byrd talking to no one present in the US congress, the UK parliament jumpping on TB with there loud yahs and nays, the taiwanese parliament lunging at each other across the desks and the koreans congress in an all out fist fight?

I'll just get those images off Google, no prob.
The Hitler bit is the point of Godwin's law. It's about when.. oh, let's say debates over a comedy script end up in petulant name-calling and accusation. Labelling someone of being a Nazi isn't far off. PLUS if you mention Nazi Germany you could always do it over a graphic of the World Cup (hosted of course in that sunny land, with the final in the Berlin Olympic Stadium where Hitler watched uncomfortably as Jesse Owens bagged all those medals). See, it all ties together. Mr malaise 04:21, 8 June 2006 (PDT)


==There's a clip of Hitler, from the show Canivale, at the Olympic with Jesse Owens that might work

Title Media

I whipped a little title segment in the hopes that maybe someone will think it's interesting enough to want to put it in the show. Either way you can check it out here: fabuloso-friday-title-unfinished.mov --Jeffmilner 22:21, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Excellent! http://www.zefrank.com/theshow/archives/2006/05/050806.html you could use the music at the beginning


Ugh! Way too long and too beige. It needs to be much snappier. Fabuloso Friday almost wants something more like The Price Is Right or some other cheap gameshow: short, glitzy, cheesy, slightly sordid. Mr malaise 03:26, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Partial seconding. It's an interesting idea, although the sequence needs to be between five and ten seconds long, it should be dirtier (like coffee stains, and crumbs), BIGGER letters... perhaps bad spelling?... How about that? --CeruleanNinja

I liked that but I agree that something much cheesier is needed for "fabuloso friday" shiftless

Communal Art

Picture a giant canvas where everyone leaves a stroke. Now picture someone coming along covering the strokes they don't like with black paint. The stroke is still there but now it is covered, buried under black paint, difficult to see or find.

As each set of strokes are added to the giant canvas little canvases grow larger and larger and opportunities to integrate portions of those parts becomes more available. More ideas, more inspirations, more creativity.

When you keep pasting your picture on the giant canvas you cover some of the good stuff underneath it.

The solution would have been to leave all the original strokes and copy the ones you liked on your own canvas. Eventually other people would come along, like your arrangement and selection of strokes and say, “Hey, lets work together!”

Crap or no crap, art is subjective, what you find funny or beautiful may not be funny or beautiful to others and visa versa. Hitler knew what kind of art he liked, cast aside the rest, hung it haphazardly in an old dilapidated house and labeled it degenerate.


The Real World

In many of Ze's earlier Shows, he brought his camera with him on the street, into Starbucks, etc. I think he should be made to say something to a Starbucks employee, or ask a Starbucks employee to say something. It should be slightly embarrassing. --RunningFool 13:31, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

PLEASE POST THE LINK TO VOTE HERE

PLEASE POST THE PLACE TO VOTE

S-s-s-something from the condiments

I like this. See Talk:Brainstorming

LLOL -- you got a Literal Laugh Out Loud from me. --Ronen

I like this, too. shiftless

This is perfect. Keep this!! sepll cehck

He should bring an actual salt-shaker into frame, accompanied by a cheesy smile. --CeruleanNinja

Opening Title Sequence!!!

Okay. I kept insulting everyone else's animations for the title sequence. So I finally got round to making my own.

It should be in the Sports Racer Gallery somewhere (labelled "Fabuloso Friday Opening Slate") or if that fails get it here. Mr malaise 18:21, 8 June 2006 (PDT)

Disclaimers

Okay. I'm out. Too many hardchargers who have no fucking idea. I don't want any responsibility for this shit.

I like the script - it's kind of funny, but it's just another ze!

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