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Fabuloso Friday 2 Recap

Some lessons for next time: It seems to me when Ze assigns this skit, he really wants us to handle it and deliver something finished to him. Maybe we can come up with some ways to make this work better for everyone. My suggestions:

  • Ze really needs to get finished scripts by late Thursday night. That means in order to have a voting period that includes everyone, voting should start late Wednesday (say 10 or 11 pm EST).
  • I know voting percentages are typically only fractions of the population, but it's hard to believe only 9-15 votes gets you a 'winning' segment. I'll look into how to set up wiki polls, but if someone is already a guru, maybe we need a system that's more of a GUI. It seems that using 'edit' to vote is scaring some people off.

Any other thoughts, Fabulosos? bobbie_mac 09:35, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

  • he did a nice job - think it went much better this time around because it was shorter and because of his imput. So what's the deal with the chess thing?
  • Yes, Ze did a good job b-b-b-but the 1 minute thing is too short... i think it will reduce the amount of interest people have in submitting for the next Fabuloso Fridays when there is sooooo leetle chance of your stuff getting performed. Yeah, yeah, i know this comment is a little self serving in that my stuff was reeeeeeally long but it is not about needing to have my stuff performed as it is having a chance that it could be performed. This is my two pennies in favour of a Fabuloso Show and not just a Fabuloso minute. Zube 12:55, 24 June 2006 (GMT+3)

he didn't perform 4 pieces (15 seconds each) he did three. so he used his professional discretion, which IMO is what made this one much better. your argument for a whole show doesn't really work because the group can alter your work, so your stuff would get chopped up and rehashed by others anyway. i think the 15 second thing worked much better than a whole show; and none of my contributions were in it, even though I thought they were the best ;) (yeah, yeah, I'm suckin' it up!) face it, what people really want is for ze to do the thinking. fabuloso friday in any form is unique and ze could certainly get along without it. however, maybe this will inspire a spin off of the idea somewhere else on the net, never know... kudoz to everyone who stuck it out. grape?

  • Remember the first fabuloso was the whole show, so clearly that was thought a good idea by Ze (at least at one point) - i think it would have been better to let that concept work itself out before the format was changed. There was, after all, a lot of content created and edited. You may be right about a spin off idea as i can see that some of us might be inspired to try out our own vblog (hate that word) but I am not sure that all skits can be reduced to 15 seconds without destroying the gag. Zube 08:56, 26 June 2006 (GMT+3)
  • "...thought a good idea..." Was it? I got the impression from the beginning it was more of, "Let's see what happens? (evil laugh)"

"...let the concept..." I wished he had built it up before handing over the whole show; lay some ground work, set some limits. But I'm from the old school when it comes to things like that, but doesn't make it wrong. "...15 seconds without..." I think he took that into consideration when he performed the show, which is why there were only 3 instead of 4 bits. Or maybe he thought all the other pieces just really sucked. Or, on a positive note, perhaps, he felt they just didn't fit his persona. I don't know why he did what he did or picked what he picked. The the lack of intercourse and distance makes it hard to understand the real reasons; there's no feed back or critique from the performer. Have to get James Lipton to ask. In the end, it is what it is and that's ok too. It was an interesting thing to try over the net. I tried to work with a few ideas people submitted here and some of the things I alone submitted people tinkered with, but the stuff that I enjoyed working on most were the bits written with my mates here at home. So from MPOV real was more fun than virtual and I was looking for sum fun and we all had plenty of that, along with a few too many lagers ;) We should have filmed that, damn!

Last Minute Stuff and Hot Topics

See Voting Quick Read!

See Gelbi Rules! This Too!

See Last Minute Stuff click me!

Organization

As the project grows, please use subpages (they start with a /) to help keep things organized. These pages automatically get a link back to the main page so it should help people from getting too lost. muyfabulosotalk 08:54, 15 June 2006 (PDT)

(archived discussion in the discussion archive)

Media for FF2

One of the issues with the first FF is that a lot of the media people uploaded didn't make it into the show. Maybe this part of the discussion can help that out. Some multimedia basics:

  • It sounds like FF2 is going to be very dependent on these short segments. Media will most likely have to be matched up with a segment to make it into the show.
  • Keep file sizes small enough to be managable, but not so small that it's impossible to use the media.
  • Think about how the final piece of media gets to Ze so he can use it. The sports racer gallery and FF page have places to upload your media.
  • Note that video has special requirements. There was a big push to do a 'ticker' last show. If that idea had made it, Ze would have had to create this himself, or would have had to receive a relatively large file (several hundred megabytes) and needed special software to place the file correctly. He's a web guru for sure, but I don't see any evidence that he's doing 'the show' on anything more than iMovie. That piece of software can't handle compositing a pre-made ticker.Bobbie mac 13:18, 14 June 2006 (PDT)

I've uploaded a logo for ff2, should we put it in the article or not? you can take a look at it here: friday fabuloso 2 --Mischa zog 01:37, 14 June 2006 (PDT)

I like it. If there is an intro section for FF2, maybe this could be matched to it.Bobbie mac 13:18, 14 June 2006 (PDT)
Haha - we definitely have to keep the "spoiling the broth so you don't have to" tagline. - NightThree 16:55, 14 June 2006 (PDT)

Hawaiian fire

"ze wears a hawaiian shirt since it is Hawaiian Shirt Friday." - I think it would be hilarious if Ze could pull this off:

He wears a hawaiian shirt for the first half minute or so, then at random he performs a seated power move that changes his hawaiian shirt to a normal shirt, and transports a burning hawaiian shirt in the background of where he is sitting. It could remain there seen later as charred remains. 68.6.101.96 15:53, 13 June 2006 (PDT)

Overall structure

(Brainstorming discussion moved to /Brainstorming)

Current News Discussion

This is the discussion page for this section. If you have any current news to add, put it here.

Fabuloso Friday is like...

This is the discussion page for this section. If you have any lines for FFIL, put them here.


Ze: Fabuloso Friday 2.0 - 2.1 - 2.2 - 3.0 - 3.1 etc... (each month gets a new set of numbers).

Yeah, funny numbers like pi (3.14) and 99 44/100ths. Bobbie mac 09:22, 15 June 2006 (PDT)

Fabuloso Friday is like... extremely confusing.

So, is there a page just for everyone to upload random 15 second bits too? It seems right now that, to send up a mini-script, first you would have to put the "idea" behind your random 15 second bit onto the ideas page, then link to a seperate page created just for your idea. That sucks.

Well, that was made like for last weeks format. I'm going to simplify this to next week format by trying to keep some organization for people who like that, but also having a very simple "just upload your 15 sec segment" on the main page. If I mess something up, here is backup of the state before I charged at it. --Gelbi 07:14, 15 June 2006 (PDT)

Anyway, so I think we need to support the following use-cases:

  • Somebody wants to upload a 15 sec segment that is almost complete and would prefer people only commented. So only the author modifies the content.
  • Someone has a great idea, but needs help in formulating the segment and creating artwork for it. So people who like the idea are welcome to edit it!

Anything else?

I think the first page should mainly collect candidates that are nearly complete. So people do not edit heavily on the main page, but move their stuff there from the brainstorming, once it's nearly done. This means almost all current snippets need to be moved, which is not a good idea...

  • I agree with the notion that the 'author modifies the content'. Should they wish to, they could 'open' their idea for modification? Also, commenting/suggestions/critique should be allowed for each segment. CeruleanNinja 07:54, 15 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Yes, yes, that is a good idea... That way, we can keep it all on the main page (that's good because I think auxilliary pages get less exposure) and the section author indicates the status of the section. However, we should make each suggestion a separate section to avoid too many edit conflicts. --Gelbi 08:00, 15 June 2006 (PDT)
Cool, I'll take the liberty of plonking those in. You guys can unmodify the thing, should you disagree? CeruleanNinja 08:05, 15 June 2006 (PDT)
Yes, I think you are moving in the right direction... I also wanted the named contributions!! I will look at it when you are done... --Gelbi 08:19, 15 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Yeah, this looks like a good idea. I did the one about internet neutrality which is pretty important right now, but I just can't write as witty as someone like Ze. I'm more an idea guy. It'd be great if someone went with that important notion and made it better. --ThinkBig

Stop imitating Ze

Be original, for god's sake. Ze can do a perfectly good Ze by himself. This is our chance to make him do something new and interesting. If you like it when he says "Asshole" or "Duckies" so much, there are plenty of episodes you can go back and watch. --Kazz 14:20, 17 June 2006 (PDT)

I wanted to say something nasty in defense, but damn it, you do have a point... ducky! --Gelbi 14:38, 17 June 2006 (PDT)
  • all I have to say is "duckie?"
  • I say imitate Ze if you want to, don't if you don't - but let's not proscribe for others based on our own preference. --Zube 16:09, 20 June 2006 (GMT+3)

Won't a Good Sports Racer post Instructions on How to Upload Images?

Click on link on left hand side, "Upload file" and follow instructions.

More Instructions?

  • it was so obvious I was mystified. you rock.

Fabuloso Friday 15

Opening the show with a minute of Fabuloso Friday and then ze, asking, "Are the new viewers gone yet?" sounds like it could be a great regular, weekly, bi-monthly, or monthly thing. Not too hot, not to cold, juuuuuuuuuust right.

ARE ALL THE OLD AND NEW VIEWERS GONE YET?

Well, are they???

  • are the fabuloso contributors gone yet?
  • Is the wiki down yet?


Fabuloso Viernes Dos

WARNING: This page is 42 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections.


The Main Page

I don't possess too many wiki skills, but here are a few ideas for the main page.

Starting from "How do you work this thing?"

welp, I moved it to the main page, I hope I didn't (family show) too many people off. Needs some tweaking, but I think I found all of the submissions.

errr... except I lost the Limericks, I'll look, sorry :( and the links for Brainstorming, but I think I can find those.

I did several cross overs of submissions because some of them just seemed to fit in a several places. I'm assuming if people do not like where I put their stuff, they would just move it where they think it should go.

I created a TOC for easy viewing of all the pages and I will try and keep it updated. pretty industrious, eh ;)

Never did this before, was fun :)

Think I found all the lost stuff, whoopie!


  • dude nice job :)

tanks

  • Yes, I think you did well! I'm going to add those "add new section links", feel free to take them away.... --Gelbi 00:27, 20 June 2006 (PDT) (oh, you can edit the top of the page by adding "section=0" to the URL, like: this)

thanks I just copied yours :) I like the up date that Muyfabuloso did makes the page look cleaner, even if s/he took the photo of ze down ;p


  • You no like ze's picture? I bet his mom does. (moved)


whaaaa? it's funny!
alt tag

I do it for you...

15 or 25

Some of the suggests seems longer than 15 seconds so I think the 25 seconds or more is good place for people to work on them, refine them, but if people think ze can do them in 15 seconds they can just move them to the 15 seconds link or add an additional page later.

same with the misc, area, some of the ideas aren’t finished and if they are making the page too long for people to read they have to go somewhere.

I like the TOC are you going to update that every day?

Maybe create a "15 seconds flat" page or 15 seconds or less page 2?

I see that some of the suggestions are in two places depending where they fit. There's so much to read this was a good idea, because there's so many cross overs. I like it broken up, I barely made it through 1/2 of the page last week, was too long and too much to read in one sitting.

yeah, I like it.

whenever I can

Okies, people. It's a good idea to have two 25 and 15 seconds sections. The thing is, it may be too early to title them as 15 seconds FLAT, since many sections are still being worked on and may change duration-wise by Fabuloso Friday. CeruleanNinja 08:50, 19 June 2006 (PDT)


well I changed it to 15 seconds or more in the title, but I read through a couple and they are way more then 15 seconds. But if people want to work on them and move them to 15 or less I think they should. There are a couple that are in two place 15, 25, misc and are the new viewers... , so there seems to be a lot of potential on many fronts. The main thing is that the page was getting too long.

  • hmmm, i may have took a little to heart the fact that Ze include the 15 second limit in "M-m-m-meaningless guidelines" :( I did not appreciate that the 15 second thing was a real limit (my bad). Zube

VOTE

So how is this going to work? When is something ready?

Frankly, I think the whole voting thing is silly Ze should pick what works for him. Just like the comments.

I vote Ze should picks what he likes.

Let's put it to a vote, you vote for voting or vote for ze picking. Can we put a poll on the page?

  • I don't know how to do a poll, I looked on the Meta and it's a little out of my league. But, I was wondering what if no one voted? So many people do not vote in the regular US elections, what if everyone just decided to stay home or in this case refrain? what would happen? Would it force his hand to do something or just not bother, that gives me an idea....
  • If I recall correctly, Ze seemed to indicate that 'we'll all vote for our favourite segments', so perhaps he is planning to vote anyway? Whilst it would be a mega-ego boost to all those, whom 'The Master-Decider' votes for, we have to remember that Fabuloso Friday is still mainly about the viewer-writers' voices. Besides, who could possibly resist VOTING?! I love those collective votes... although it's been deathly silent here... Perhaps it's still a way to go till Thursday voting Frenzy? CeruleanNinja 13:00, 20 June 2006 (PDT)
  • We probably need to set this up Wednesday sometime. One of the complaints with FF1 was that the voting period was too short. If we need to turn this in by midnight Thursday like last time, then we probably should look to open voting up by midnight Wednesday. (And I guess this is my vote to have a vote). Bobbie mac 16:56, 20 June 2006 (PDT)


  • I was hoping to avoid the mess by adding the "completed area."
  • I have to agree that I don't like the voting at random option, other than voting about the voting. As a contributor and stock holder I say we turn this into republic rather than mob rule and purpose we take a vote from all contributors about the voting issue? IOW, if you contributed do you want to:

1. let anyone who wonders in vote?

or

2. let ze (the professional) pick what he thinks will work for him.

Can we do this all in 24 hours? Can we get ze to say something quick on today's show?

ze? are you there? zeeeeeeeeeeeee! i know you are reading this. icu ;)

  • Yes, the voting period should definitely extend to include the European Fabulosos. It should begin once the majority of contributors give theirs the go-ahead. Minimal editing should still be allowed to occur during the voting, especially if a voter has a cool last minute improvement suggestion. As I'd mentioned above, as it may appear in the wording of the challenge, Ze was planning to cast his vote aswell... although should he do so, the amount of smugness (on the part of the chosen fabulosos) would be untold! Also, this might sway the votes somewhat. CeruleanNinja 07:01, 21 June 2006 (PDT)


  • A smug Ze, how delightful! Really.

I still say Ze should have the final choice forget this voting crappola dammit! Too many poll stuffing democrats and corrupt republican geeks!

Can't we just post a time all submissions should be entered and hope for the best? Because you know there is always someone who will ignore any rule or suggestion.

"contributors give theirs the go-ahead" how do you plan to monitor or set this up?

  • *giggle* Smug Ze, that made me smile (read above). As per the go-ahead, couldn't be easier! The peeps could type 'Ready for Voting' in each of their sections, in bold? How about that?...:) CeruleanNinja 07:58, 21 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Yes, well, let's see what Ze has to say on todays show. Voting is easy if everybody behaves well and don't mess around with other people's votes. --Gelbi 08:24, 21 June 2006 (PDT)
Yes, there seemed to be problems last time, as someone hard-charged some votes to shift the outcome. Some smart person caught it, and corrected it, though? If push comes to shove, Ze can always pick and choose, to resolve any disagreements. CeruleanNinja 09:16, 21 June 2006 (PDT)
Hopefully we'll have some guidance, but if none is forthcoming, I say vote. What's the worst that can happen? In Defense of Anarchism Bobbie mac 10:25, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

Wiki has a bunch of articles on the problems with voting and polls on the Wiki.

Let's see what the Maestro has to say...

  • He's G-g-g-gonna say nuthin'! Someone ought to fix and make his Bankcrupt-Delta bill better.
  • I say let him do the pickins' and work to make all the projects better.
  • I also think Ze should pick the best ones. Democracy isn't as perfect as they would like us to believe. I mean, have you seen the kind of presidents being chosen arround the world lately?

Choose Knowledge Choose Limaiku

  • Hello, peeps. As we are approaching the deadline, may I propose that we begin voting for favourite Knowledges and Limaukus? I'll begin organising the thang, but feel free to dismantle it, should the majority disagree. CeruleanNinja 01:48, 22 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Do we even want a knowledge and or poetry? I will start a semi-structured voting page, where I'll put my ideas, you then decide if you like that idea. The page will appear here! --Gelbi 03:13, 22 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Hey. :) Even if Knowledge or Limaikus don't make it to the final (they're are fun sections, in my opinion), at least we'd have given them a chance to be chosen for the Fabuloso Friday. Should we begin organising the voting for the Finished sections, as suggested in the VOTE section?... CeruleanNinja 03:45, 22 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Yes, of course, they are nice indeed! And I'm all for a limerick contest, so YES, it would be good to have a voting there as well. About the Finished sections... the thing is, I like the idea of frozen nominations, I remember last time sections changes and stuff like that. You go to sleep and you don't know what you voted for, so that's why I did a nomination page... and while most stuff would probably come from the finished page, it isn't necessary... and people can nominate different versions of the same thing. --Gelbi 04:00, 22 June 2006 (PDT)
  • I noticed that I'm the only person that linked to the history version of a page (freezing it). If you don't want freezing, we don't really need a nomination page at all. Well except nomination is just the opposite of moving stuff stuff to the magic dumpster, so it might be less offensive ;) Anyway, we could just vote on the nomination page (or its discussion page), so tracking the history and catching cheaters would be easier. Ah well, I really liked the idea of freezing stuff, but it really isn't as necessary this time when the finished page probably will not change that much... --Gelbi 04:46, 22 June 2006 (PDT)

Gelbi

nice job!

Thanks! And now that I have my own section here... let's start a word association game about the Show, except it doesn't have to make sense or anything, it's just a game... --Gelbi 03:17, 21 June 2006 (PDT)
  • can you leave a few examples
  • You are doing fine! :) --Gelbi 08:15, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

The Rules

  • Relax and breath deeply.
  • Picture the Show with Ze Frank in your mind.
  • While focusing on Ze, read the last word/phrase from the sequence below
  • Still keeping Ze in your mind, click edit and add the first word or short phrase that you hear the imagined Ze say in your imagined Show.
  • Since "poop" and "ducky" associate with everything, use them sparingly!
  • Don't delete previous entries! (There is no right and wrong!)

The Word association game

  1. Church of Scientology
  2. space alien Tom
  3. chef religion closet
  4. Darwin's dad was a monkey
  5. Doodling drawing a blank
  6. Cock-a-doodle-doo
  7. Cockerel Peacock Rainbow
  8. Rainbow Coalition
  9. Revolution Che Guevara 'Tache

Can You Believe People Even Get Paid For Having This Much Fun?!

Get it done???

Well, well... we need to "get it done" and I'm thinking about a switch to individual pages for the final candidates. Some of the COMPLETED sections could be improved, and we need to intensify their editing and discussion. I prefer the approach where rather than editing something significant in place, you branch into different version; but that will cause lots of clutter... The current system has worked very well in generating many many ideas, but if there is any voting, all segments that are candidates for the show deserve their own page. Any ideas??? --Gelbi 11:10, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

Many of the 'completed' sections could absolutely be sharpened, with the 'beta-final' version being granted its own page. Organisationally, I can guarantee that it will get messy, pretty quickly. Could I suggest we filter through the Fabuloso Friday 2/FINISHED, Magic-Dumping sections, to concentrate on improving the ones that stick? Fewer pages equals less of a confusion... Even then, who decides what's to be dumped? Fabulosos failed to come to a unanimous 'this is funny, and that ain't' opinion last time. CeruleanNinja 12:32, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

ga doon, ga doon, ga doon, ga doon,

suck it up, (ga doon, ga doon, ga doon)

suck it up, (ga doon, ga doon, ga doon)

suck it up (ga doon, ga doon, ga doon)

suck it up (ga doon) en' get it dun!

ga doon, ga doon, ga doon, ga doon...


I take the meaning of that message as, we're on the right track, so brotha' an sistah keep on keepin' on.

Last Minute Stuff

Can we get a new FF Is Brewing pic?

a pic is easy, but this isn't really a fabuloso 'show.' it's Ze's normal show with a fabuloso segment. 208.60.177.13 14:39, 21 June 2006 (PDT)


yes and no - it's still an event here

Iraq War Screed

As the freakish Jr. High Popularity Contest we Americans call “Election Time” draws nigh, it’s time for me to sit in my air-conditioned office on my fat ass and weigh in on the Iraq war.

The Republicans want to stay and fight. Fine. Rich congressmen and their spawn don’t have to worry about it, because they are too old and their children are to wealthy to fight a war. They are too busy with school and careers and things like that to fight for “freedom.” Let the less fortunate get their arms and legs blown off in the name of Freedom. (The freedom for rich folk to fill up their Hummers! Hoo-ya!)

Of course, I generalize here.

The Democrats want to say they are against the war, but they also have to worry about their careers. While they want the war to end, they can’t say the “T” word (timetable) because they will be painted as cowards. Since they need to save their seats more than stand by a principle, they too have to say we need to stay, otherwise Iraq will fall into the wrong hands. They are too scared to just come out and say, “Let’s get the f*ck out of there now!

Damned if We Do, Damned if We Don’t.

Again, I generalize here, because I’m typing this off the top of my head, with no real research or facts to back up what I type. Stop reading now! It gets worse!

Here’s the problem with “winning” in Iraq: The only success we can have in Iraq is digging ourselves out of a hole we dug ourselves into.

So we can only hope to break even, which is looking less and less likely.

Of course the contractors in Iraq are winning CA$H, but rich people and their cronies tend to do that. Good for them. War profiteering isn’t that much of a crime, is it?

Saddam would have had to work overtime torturing and killing people to keep up with the lawlessness we’ve spawned over there. We’ve brought torture and beheadings and bombings to a fever pitch. We’ve created a lawless hellhole that is FREEDOM! Taste the Freedom and Democracy.

I feel bad for the soldiers. They joined the Department of DEFENSE. Defense means defense. Not offence. So. I feel bad because they aren’t being allowed to do their jobs.

The Military has only two functions:

1. Kill people. 2. Blow shit up.

That’s it. We have the best military in the world, but you can’t expect them to play referee in a Civil War we set off.

At least the VFW can continue to make money selling beer to bitter guys in wheelchairs for decades to come! That will help our economy a little, won’t it?

I mean if we really “liberated” Iraq, set them free: Get the hell out of there and let them kill each other. Who cares? They are FREEEeeeeee! Weee! Isn’t Freedom great? Turn em loose and watch em go!

When we invade a country, let’s come right out and say it: “We’re invading Iraq for its oil and strategic military bases in the region.” Go in guns blazing, hole up in walled fortresses, and let the natives fend for themselves. Kill anything that moves. That’s how you invade a country.

Don’t have the stomach for it? Then don’t invade. Go big or go home . . . Pussies.

There, that is my misinformed, reactionary, belligerent screed about Iraq. Enjoy.

Nomination

I like all the submissions in

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