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Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---


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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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1. d4

What's it called again when you take your arm and swipe all the pieces off the board?

Alright, Ze started with the Queen's pawn. What do we do?

Pawn Moves

  • 1. d4 d5 - likesforests - aiming for 2. c4 c6, the tactical and fun Slav or Semi-Slav defense
  • 1. d4 e5 - mayorcj 11:05, 23 June 2006 (PDT) - losing a pawn?! - if he takes the pawn he exposes his king and is underdeveloped
  • 1. d4 e6 -
  • 1. d4 f5 -- highly tactical fun game ahead
  • 1. d4 e5 jesse cooper, Nashville Juniors Champion, 2004

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  • 2. c7-c6 jesse cooper, Nashville Juniors Champion, 2004
  • 2...e6 for a Queen's Gambit Declined...I prefer the Tartakower variation [1]

Knight Moves

  • 1. d4 Nc6
  • 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 into a benko/volga gambit


1. ... d5

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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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1. d4 d5

Discussion

  • I think d5 is the best course of action. It threatens the center without allowing Ze to do anything crazy like capture the king pawn on an e5 move. Follow that up with e6 and we have open diagonal with a good position. BTW is anyone concerned that Ze can read all of our strategies? ~Mec

(good point, Mec... can we make a password protected page? haha ;-) -adam)

  • 1. ... d5 blah!!! This is a fun game, let's pick a fun opening. A gambit, or something out of the ordinary. Benko, Open Lennengrad, anything but aiming for conventional play territory.
    • d5 is a good move and playing collaboratively will be hard enough. Why not postpone the wacky options for a couple of moves so we don't lose horribly?
      • d5 probably should be our move, yes, collaborative chess, hmmm, perhaps we should nominate a few good chess playing sports racers who know what's going on with the game, rather than collaboration - too many cooks really do spoil the broth after all Mayorcj 14:54, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
        • d5 all the way. winning IS fun.bobbie_mac
          • Totally. Dot dot dot d5! Yeolde 18:07, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
            • I vote d5 as well! ruff_ruff 20:10, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
  • I don't play alot of chess, but this move seems logical, have our pawn meet his.
  • I think this is referred to as the "Sportinski Kozimov Hard Charging Opener Blitzkrieg".

-adam


Continuations...

2. c4 c6

Aim for a Slav or Semi-Slav defense. This often leads to tactical, fun games. -- likesforests

2. e4 c6

It might transpose into the caro-kann defense, which should give Ze a headache. ~NaMorris

1. ... Nf6

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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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1. d4 Nf6

Discussion

  • I like 1 ... d5 as well, but moving the Knight to f6 will prevent Ze from moving to e4, and set up a fianchetto for our kingside bishop. A lot of possibility there without too much risk.
  • I agree with the Nf6 response. Queen's Gambit is too risky for my taste.
  • Put me down for this, too. d5 is boooooring. We're fabulosos, damn it. --HelloMike 23:50, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

So this is the kind of hypermodern opening where we let Ze develop on the center, but we'll come hard-charging from the side later on. It's good stuff... --Gelbitalk 16:15, 25 June 2006 (PDT)

d4 is the most often played of all tournament opening moves, due to the range of strategies it can invoke. Traditionally answered by a closed 1..P-Q4(d5), but in most modern-day QP Openings Black cedes control of his/her K4(e5) and replies 1..Kt-KB3(f6) instead, planning one of the many Indian Defences so as to contest the centre by slower, more indirect means than straightforward pawn play.

If we reply with d5 the next several moves are robotic. If we choose Knight to f6 we invite alot more dynamic play. So I say Knight to f6, it is leaves many possibilities open and is a strong aggresive play.

-->Brigade (USCF Ranked 1600) Keep it simple .. since Ze's on White, and it's the masses vs. him, play it d5. We have no idea what kind of game to expect, it's only one game (not a 5-game match), this gives us options to adapt.

Playing black, advancing Nf6 sacrifices space and time. 1. d5, Nf6 2. d6 is the standard response, and white owns the center (not to mention you lose time on moving the Knight away from threat, he gets another pawn developed [3. e5] and you're fighting an uphill battle) .. the same issue arises with Nc6. Opening rules of successful chess: Get those pawns out THEN develop your pieces.

Bear in mind that if you are to win, keeping it 'robotic' and along book openings allows us time to wait him out and respond accordingly .. Ze's a random kind of guy, he'll try something creative and then (hopefully) we can take him apart.

Wait until the middlegame .. pick up some pawns (or a piece) and then win it in the end. 1-man endgame vs. 'the world' .. it's almost guaranteed.

In conclusion, d5 would be the best, most direct, and easiest. <--



Possible continuations

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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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King's Indian Defence
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Nimzo-Indian Defence
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Queen's indian defence.

1. ... e5

  • First!! How are we going to do this? We're white right? KP2 to KP4 Will that work?
    • The Problem with this move is that we are not white, Ze is, also, in Chess notation, whichever notation we use, it will be numbered 8 to 1 - meaning your move would be described as KP7 to KP 5. That would also give Ze an easy capture, so I'm going to say no on this one.
      • so you're saying you don't like that move then?
  • I dunno... my middle name isn't "checkmate" or even "it's a contact rash", but I have always been partial to KP7 to KP6 in order to keep the lines open for both the queen and the bishop.
  • i think that sounds like a decent move KP7 to KP6.

1. ... f5

good solid move its way to early in the game to matter anyways

  • I doubt if f5 is solid -- it weakens the king side -- and is difficult to play properly. Might be fun, but I think it's taking a risk. And what you do early in the game matters a lot. ~NaMorris

1. ... c5

This might show how long it's been since I played chess, but if C7 moves to C5 and then D4 takes C5, the queen has a very good move on the next turn. Again, it's been years...

  • This wouldn't work because it is unlikely the opponent would actually take your piece. Most likely they would reinforce their position incase you take theirs which would leave you in the open and without initiative instead of the opponent. ~Mec

Suggested openings or strategy comments

An alternate strategy to collaborative decision making would be to send Ze's moves to a good chess program (with the recognition that he may well be doing the same thing...) Hokie

An ├╝ber-geeky strategy would be to first let the chess program identify the best moves, and assuming we have a few people who have the same chess engine, we distribute the task and let the engines work for the remaining time in paralell, we put evaluation value on the wiki for each move and pick the best. :) --Gelbitalk 03:39, 25 June 2006 (PDT)

Based on the three choices above, I'm rather interested in the Queen's Indian defense. I'd like to see where that takes us. Sunnybunny

I'd like to play!

A favorite opening move of mine is bringing out the knight. So, g8 to f6. ~Sara

Yes, we hear you :) I'm also all for it... If you want you can edit the section above that describes the move Nf6 and that might encourage more people to vote for it. --Gelbitalk 16:10, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
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