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	Ze	Us	consensus
1	d4	d5	56%
2	c4	e6	66%
3	Nc3	Bb4	48%
4	Nf3	Nf6	82%
5	e3	Ne4	56%
6	Qc2	f5	62%
7	Bd3	O-O	83%
8	O-O	b6	61%
9	a3	Bxc3	57%
10	bxc3	Ba6	65%
11	Ne5	Nd7	37%
12	Nc6	Qf6	89%
13	f3	Nd6	100%
14	e4	dxc4	100%
15	Be2	e5	100%
16	d5	Nb8	55%
17	Nb4	Bb7	93%
18	a4	a5	100%
19	Na2	Nd7	50%
20	Ba3	Rac8	50%
21	Rab1	Qg5	60%
22	Kh1	fxe4	61%
23	fxe4	Qg6	89%
24	Rxf8+	Rxf8	100%
25	Bxd6	Rf2	100%
26	Rg1	cxd6	100%
27	Qd1	Nf6	73%
28	Bf3	Nxe4	93%
29	Nc1	Rd2	53%
30	Bxe4	Rxd1	100%
31	Bxg6	Rxg1+	100%
32	Kxg1	hxg6	100%
33	Resign	---

Voting Closed (Nd7 confirmed. No more tie.)

Today's Suggested Moves will be posted after Ze's broadcast, and the voting polls will open @7PM EDT and close at 12AM EDT, in order to give time for enough deliberation before the votes are cast. Don't have a username/Id yet? Get one here! and take some credit for your contributions!

• People casting more than 1 (ONE) vote below will forfeit ALL VOTES. Make your choice and stick with it. Don't vote for 3 separate moves.
  • Says who? I don't remember there being any discussion or agreement about the voting system. Moreover I can't think of any reason to want to disallow voting for more than one move. Jeff 20:56, 12 July 2006 (PDT)
    • It was established in the beginning. ßrigade^rant
      • I don't disbelieve you, Brigade, but where in the beginning did we decide this? I've checked back through the wiki and can't find it. I'm also not sure what the problem is with changing it. Do you think multiple votes are less representative of what the group wants?bobbie_mac^{rap at me}
        • with multiple votes we're more likely to get a move that everyone is happy with to some degree, compared to single votes where it's the one move we're forced to support against 2,3, 10 others. Kingpatzer 06:47, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

'The move' bitch fest

I don't know how you guys feel, but the arguments about our moves and the adaptive strategies we're forced to try as a result of playing collectively are making this the most fun game of chess I've ever experienced.

On sending the move

This can be deleted whenever - but it turns out that we don't need to be worried about sending Ze our move.

e-mail from Ze

:)don't have to send this to me - I look at the wiki board...that's where we are playing after all :)

To Answer the Question

yes, Ze is reading the wiki, at midnight, someone, anyone, just needs to update the board with our move on the main chess page.

Where's the main page? V 21:12, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

HAHA 15 min late. Is midnight a HARD deadline? Tomorrow's show will be interesting. I hope Ze was out getting sh*tface or something. Man, a beer would be so much better.

I've updated the board late .. I used to rely on someone else to E-mail off the move for us. Don't sweat it .. if it's up a bit late should be no huge deal, but just try and get it up as soon as possible. ßrigade^rant

Vote For More Than One Move!

I can see no reason to vote for one and only one move when there are multiple moves that seem nearly equal. It is well known that in elections with more than two options, single-vote winner-take-all does a very poor job of representing the desires of the voters. Voting for more than one move is also known as Approval Voting. Another alternative with be Condorcet but that involves a lot more work.

• We need to settle this now. One vote or many?
  • Voting for more than one move was never prohibited AFAICT. Range Voting would be another interesting alternative but that would be a distinct departure from what has gone on before. Jeff
  • Approval voting: Brilliant! Besides, who wants to be the hard charging vote police? I vote for multiple votes. voodooboy 21:10, 12 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Actually .. voting for one move was established around move 1 or move 2 of the game, before you came along Jeff. ßrigade^rant 23:42, 12 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Brigade appearantly is standing up to be counted as the hard charger in question :) Kingpatzer 10:04, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I vote for more than one vote as well. It will probably reduce the number of these ties we're having. 64.7.149.152
  • I vote for only one vote. More than one vote could lead to complete chaos. 64.7.149.152
    • i'm so glad i read that slowly enough to get it. : )

• More than one vote? Ok, I vote both for and against this idea. See! Useful! He who says zonk 06:37, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

• Haha, I posted before reading the other comments and then realised what the above two are saying. Curse it! :P He who says zonk 06:46, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

• • Do we only get one vote to vote for multiple votes or not? This seems silly. If it was decided already, let's stick to single votes. -christian 09:25, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

Use the following tags to help suggest moves, and remember if you want to throw up an example speculative board in the discussion, please refer to the Edit Guide on how to properly format it.

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Just follow the instructions, and completely delete those lines .. and don't forget to replace 'Speculative Move' with the actual move name. Also bear in mind that anything after the clear tag won't be visible, so don't enter any text underneath it (unless you're adding another section)

Cut and paste the following to vote:

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Strategy Discussion

Contents 1 Voting Closed (Nd7 confirmed. No more tie.) 2 'The move' bitch fest 3 On sending the move 3.1 e-mail from Ze 3.1.1 To Answer the Question 3.2 Vote For More Than One Move! 4 Strategy Discussion 4.1 Suggested Move Summary 4.2 Speculative Move Discussion 4.3 Qe8 4.3.1 Possible Board Positions 4.3.2 Votes 4.4 c6 4.4.1 Votes 4.5 dxc4 4.6 c5 4.7 Ng5 4.8 Nd7 4.8.1 VOTES 4.9 Rf6 4.9.1 VOTES 4.10 Qd6 4.10.1 VOTES 4.11 f4

• Why did Ze put the knight there? The only two plausible reasons I can see are to cover something later (f7,g6) or to cover something now (c4). When we determine the purpose of his move, or a plausible facimile thereof, we can act intelligently against it. -AnonHC
  • There are multiple reasons. First, it puts pressure on f7, which is the weakness in our king defence. Secondly, it temporarily pins our queen's knight. -- Pseudonym 17:54, 12 July 2006 (PDT)
  • That is the sort of move most good chess players see immediately as "good" even if they don't see quite how to make use of it immediately. The knight controls some key squares in black's territory, it is hard for use to get rid of without weakening our position, etc. He doesn't need a good reason beyond those, really. Kingpatzer 18:33, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

Suggested Move Summary

Speculative Move Speculative Move: 11. Ne5 Qe8	Speculative Move Speculative Move: 11. Ne5 dxc4	Speculative Move Speculative Move: 11. Ne5 c6
Speculative Move Speculative Move: 11. Ne5 c5	Speculative Move Speculative Move: 11. Ne5 Ng5	Speculative Move Speculative Move: 11. Ne5 Nd7