Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move19
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| Ze | Us | consensus | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | d4 | d5 | 56% |
| 2 | c4 | e6 | 66% |
| 3 | Nc3 | Bb4 | 48% |
| 4 | Nf3 | Nf6 | 82% |
| 5 | e3 | Ne4 | 56% |
| 6 | Qc2 | f5 | 62% |
| 7 | Bd3 | O-O | 83% |
| 8 | O-O | b6 | 61% |
| 9 | a3 | Bxc3 | 57% |
| 10 | bxc3 | Ba6 | 65% |
| 11 | Ne5 | Nd7 | 37% |
| 12 | Nc6 | Qf6 | 89% |
| 13 | f3 | Nd6 | 100% |
| 14 | e4 | dxc4 | 100% |
| 15 | Be2 | e5 | 100% |
| 16 | d5 | Nb8 | 55% |
| 17 | Nb4 | Bb7 | 93% |
| 18 | a4 | a5 | 100% |
| 19 | Na2 | Nd7 | 50% |
| 20 | Ba3 | Rac8 | 50% |
| 21 | Rab1 | Qg5 | 60% |
| 22 | Kh1 | fxe4 | 61% |
| 23 | fxe4 | Qg6 | 89% |
| 24 | Rxf8+ | Rxf8 | 100% |
| 25 | Bxd6 | Rf2 | 100% |
| 26 | Rg1 | cxd6 | 100% |
| 27 | Qd1 | Nf6 | 73% |
| 28 | Bf3 | Nxe4 | 93% |
| 29 | Nc1 | Rd2 | 53% |
| 30 | Bxe4 | Rxd1 | 100% |
| 31 | Bxg6 | Rxg1+ | 100% |
| 32 | Kxg1 | hxg6 | 100% |
| 33 | Resign | --- |
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Strategy Discussion
I'm worried about the following line and I'd either like someone to either demonstrate that it isnt as bad as I think it is, it could go a different way, or else suggest a move to defuse it.
19. Na2 ... 20. exf5 Nxf5 21. Bxc4 at which point our supposedly secure middle position is suddenly very tenuous
He may not play that way, but the weakness is there. He who says zonk 01:49, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
- We could respond to exf5 with BxD5 and let him stay at f5, in which case I think our board position actually improves, or we can be suicidal and trade queens. 20.exf5 qxf5 21. qxf5 rxf5. These just came to mind, they may contain massive flaws Wophugus
- I think Bxd5 is the best solution if he moves exf5, yes. I don't think there's any reason to want a queen trade at this point. He who says zonk 22:44, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
- There's nothing wrong with or suicidal about a Q trade on f5, though Bxd5 is indeed stronger, in the unlikely event that Ze takes ef. Axl
- I would posit that there is always something wrong or suicidal about making the worse of two moves, but I catch your meaning. "Adventurous" may have been a better word. Wophugus
We have a good position. Ze taking on f5 would be a positional blunder, weakening d5. Long term we should pile up on e4 to encourage him to take ef. For now we need to complete our development by 19...Nd7, threatening 20...Nc5. Instead, 19...c6 would allow unnecessary counterplay and weaken b6. Taking on e4 now would let Ze open the f-file with tempo. Ze has very little he can do to improve his position. He'll probably develop his bishop to a3 or e3 to prevent Nc5. Neither of these is particularly worrisome. Axl
- The only reason I see why Ze played 18. a4 is to move his Bishop to a3. If so, that would weaken our pawn at c4 because the Knight (d6 ) can not move without sacrificing the rook. And I can't see any good move to prevent this. -- Oeny 13:23, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
- Ba6 protects that pawn and keeps Ba3 a trade (knight for good bishop isn't horrible). -- Jason
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