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Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---

Voting Closed (Nd7 wins)

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Strategy Discussion

I'm worried about the following line and I'd either like someone to either demonstrate that it isnt as bad as I think it is, it could go a different way, or else suggest a move to defuse it.

19. Na2 ... 20. exf5 Nxf5 21. Bxc4 at which point our supposedly secure middle position is suddenly very tenuous

He may not play that way, but the weakness is there. He who says zonk 01:49, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

  • We could respond to exf5 with BxD5 and let him stay at f5, in which case I think our board position actually improves, or we can be suicidal and trade queens. 20.exf5 qxf5 21. qxf5 rxf5. These just came to mind, they may contain massive flaws Wophugus
    • I think Bxd5 is the best solution if he moves exf5, yes. I don't think there's any reason to want a queen trade at this point. He who says zonk 22:44, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  • There's nothing wrong with or suicidal about a Q trade on f5, though Bxd5 is indeed stronger, in the unlikely event that Ze takes ef. Axl
    • I would posit that there is always something wrong or suicidal about making the worse of two moves, but I catch your meaning. "Adventurous" may have been a better word. Wophugus

We have a good position. Ze taking on f5 would be a positional blunder, weakening d5. Long term we should pile up on e4 to encourage him to take ef. For now we need to complete our development by 19...Nd7, threatening 20...Nc5. Instead, 19...c6 would allow unnecessary counterplay and weaken b6. Taking on e4 now would let Ze open the f-file with tempo. Ze has very little he can do to improve his position. He'll probably develop his bishop to a3 or e3 to prevent Nc5. Neither of these is particularly worrisome. Axl

  • The only reason I see why Ze played 18. a4 is to move his Bishop to a3. If so, that would weaken our pawn at c4 because the Knight (d6 ) can not move without sacrificing the rook. And I can't see any good move to prevent this. -- Oeny 13:23, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Ba6 protects that pawn and keeps Ba3 a trade (knight for good bishop isn't horrible). -- Jason


Current board position (flip me)
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Last move: Na2

Contents



Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: c6
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: fxe4
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Nd7
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Na6
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Qg6
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: f4


Na6

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Na6
  • What about this move? It does the same as Nd7 in getting the knight off the back row, and it allows another place for the knight to move in the next turn.Jes ter23
    • It's not it's a bad move, it's just that moving to the center is more useful as it allows the knight to reach many more squares. The squares that Na6 allows the knight to move to are pretty useless, except for one square which is also reachable by a Nd7 move. - arc
      • That's true, but currently there is only one place for Nd7 to go, and, like you said, it is also reachable by Na6. I just think that the way the board is layed out right now, it makes more sense to move here and back up the b4 square, just in case.Jes ter23
        • I don't think "just in case" is a valid reason to move the knight onto the edge, but we can just agree to disagree on this point. Arc
        • We already control b4. Nd7 is more flexible and has no down-side. Axl
        • Nd7 also covers f6 and e5 which could be really useful a few moves down the road. Reaching b4 is pointless because that pawn on c3 isn't going away anytime soon. Jeff 12:34, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
        • I see your point. Jes ter23
        • As said before: A horse on the rim is dim. Bad move Theroachman 18:22, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  • This is a crazy move with no point. It only allows one N move, the same one Nd7 allows but Nd7 also lets the N contribute to the fight for the center. Snark 14:02, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

f4

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: f4
  • Closes out his white bishop and prevents him from opening the center with exf5, activating his bishops. We follow up with Nd7 and then, perhaps, Nc5. Ze has fewer and fewer moves that don't hurt him.--Macgabhain 12:31, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Also makes it harder for us to attack his pawn chain. This move helps white. Jeff 12:37, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Jeff is right. While keeping his Bishops restricted is a laudable goal, we need to keep pressuring the e4 pawn. Since Ze can prevent 20...Nc5 (after Nd7 or Na6) with Ba3 anyway, controlling e3 isn't all that useful. Once we complete our development we may be able to launch a kingside attack at which point locking the center with f4 may be worthwhile, but not right now. Axl
      • I agree. I like this move, but I think it's too early. The knight has to come out first.Jes ter23
      • To what end do we wish to attack his pawn chain? Opening the center is white's only hope. While the pawn chain is there he has virtually no play. Meanwhile, we have a 4-2 pawn majority on the queenside and all the time in the world to manoeuver our pieces to take advantage of it.--Macgabhain 12:45, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Or, if we wish to pursue a kingside attack, after f4 now is the time to do it. Bc8 and Qg5. We can easily bring any of the rest of our pieces into the attack and Ze can't defend without critically weaking his kingside pawns. Qg5 20 Ba3 Rf6 21 Bxd6 cxd6 22 Bxc4 Bc8 +- --Macgabhain 12:50, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
        • In your analysis we've cut White out of a move (I assume you didn't suggest 19...Qg5 now because that's met by 20. Bxg5). What will he play after 19...f5 before you play 20...Qg5? Suppose it's 20. Rb1. Then after 20...Qg5 21 Ba3 Rf6 22. Bxd6 cxd6 than 23. Rxb6 Bc8 24. Bxc4 and Black is getting his butt kicked all over the board. We need to develop some pieces here. Nd7 is the move. Snark 15:16, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
          • True. Mental slip I make over the board far too often as well. In that particular case we clearly take back on d6 with the rook. There are other reasonable white moves as well -- 20 Ba3 Qg5 21 Bxd6 cxd6 22 Rb1 Nd7 22 Bxc4 Bc8 (or Rf6). The center is still closed, white still has no activity, and black still has time to build a kingside attack that white can't effectively defend against. The point Jason makes below is still very relevant. White can reply to anything else we do with exf5, most likely dropping a pawn but activating both of his bishops and his queen (if it isn't traded off) with kingside attack possibilities for white rather than black and very few targets for black's newly developed knight. Also keep in mind that if his response merits it, we're better positioned to slug it out on the queenside as well with Nd7, Ba6, and Rfb8. --Macgabhain 15:30, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
            • I just don't agree with your evaluation, Macgabhain. In your line White wins back his pawn, gains more space, gets more room for his bishop, and controls the only semi-open file (b-file) on the board with a juicy target (b6) at the end. I think Black can mount a K-side attack but I don't agree that it's very powerful. After an eventual h3 to defend against Black's Q and R stacked up on the h-file, Black will have to advance his pawns to continue the attack and he'll become exposed himself. And White can bring more pieces to defend the attack (his knight and rooks, for instance) than Black can bring to push it forward. White is at least even here, if not better. Snark 15:48, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
              • Why would we stack on h rather than g? (edit: I don't mean we would push the attack along g; I just mean there's nothing compelling a premature attack along h. I'm not advocating a particular line, I'm just advocating the idea of locking up his pieces). And why wouldn't we cover b6 with both Nd7 and Rb1? We have matching or superior firepower queenside and we have access to his kingside. I don't see the downside of locking in our current positional advantage. --Jason
              • Once again, we don't have to attack on the king side, and Nd7 is available next move. None of the potential positional disadvantages you list are tied to f4. They exist after 19 ... Nd7 as well. Letting white open the center with exf5 is at best unclear.--Macgabhain 17:03, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
          • You're right, that's a horrible line. Why would we follow it? 19. ... f4 20. Rb1 Nd7 21. Ba3 Ba6
        • If we can get Nc5 in then we can win big with fxe4. So he'll prevent it with Ba3, but that gets his bishop away from the kingside. You can still try to advocate 20. ... f4 at the that point but I think fxe4 will be better. The other possibility is that he will hope to gain some initiative by playing exf5 which will immediately isolate his d pawn. Jeff 13:04, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
      • I haven't voted before, but I really like this move. It locks in white and funnels his attack to our queenside. White is pretty miserable right now, and I think we can start being aggressive in pursuing an attack on his kingside. This is the only move suggested so far that a.] shows direction towards a goal (kingside attack) and b.] can't be guaranteed to be available next move. --Jason

Voting

  1. VOTE by Macgabhain 17:03, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  2. VOTE by Jason 19:24, 25 July 2006 (CDT)
  3. VOTE by Cubzas 19:22, 25 July 2006 (PDT)-- I like the fact that we immobilize Ze's bishops

Nd7

Suggested Move: Nd7
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Nd7

This is a solid way to get our knight back out there and open up the backrow. It's also pretty boring. - arc

  • c6, followed by dxc, gives us the option to get the knight back out with Nxc6.Shadowcrash 12:06, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • It also blocks our bishop from doing anything effective, and our knight can't move forward from that position due to white's pawn at c3. - arc
  • This move may be boring but it's essential to get the Knight into a good positions before the sparks start to fly. It supports future Nc5 or Nf6 if the situation calls for it but in the mean time it can also defend the pawn on e5 which will likely soon be isolated on a half open file. Also it lets out the rook. Jeff 12:19, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I never said boring was a bad thing. :) - arc
    • I think that Na6 is a better move. Jes ter23
  • I think this is the best move and was the plan. There's no need to hurry with fxe4. BTW, if you're worried about a future 21. Bxd6 Qxd6 22. Bxc4, that fails to 22...Qc5+ followed by Qxc4. Keep that motif in mind, it comes up often.
  • Nd7 is solid, but we can make this move just as easily in the future. If we do f4 now, we lock in our current positional advantage and begin to set up a kingside attack. Sure, f4 means we can't attack his pawn chain, but that begs the question that was asked by M above: why do we want to attack his pawn chain? Right now it's only functioning to hem him in and funnel him towards our queenside. The less mobility he has now and in the future, the better. --Jason
  • White's dark squared Bishop has no future on the c1-h6 diagonal. Locking the center now would relieve the pressure on White. White's exf5 would be a mistake, so that is not a threat. Ergo, we can lock the pawns with f4 later. Nd7, by contrast, all but obliges Ze to play Ba3, or else Nc5 (threatening Nb3) is strong. Plus, any k-side attack will be stronger with full development including our Rook on a8, which is currently doing nothing. Axl
    • I'm not worried about his dark bishop. I'm worried about keeping his light bishop bad, his queen hemmed in, his knight all but immobile, etc. Nd7 isn't a bad move, but we can make it either now, next move, or after the sequence that gets set off if Ze does Ba3. I'm also not saying that we're in trouble if Ze does something to take away f4 (either now or on the tempo move he gains by setting off Ba3), only that it then becomes a more open game. Nobody (including me) has been showing lines longer than about 4-5 moves out, so it isn't automatic that we're better off long term giving Ze the option to open things up. --Jason
      • How is Ze going to open things up? Long-term, we can keep the pressure on d5 such that if exf5, the d-pawn hangs and there's no reasonable way to protect his f5 pawn (as is the case now). Short-term, with exf5 not a real threat, playing f4, now, just commits to a closed center prematurely.Axl

Voting

  1. Vote by -874 13:26, 25 July 2006 (PDT): I'll be asleep before the polls open. Stupid time-zones!
  2. Vote by Snark 14:40, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  3. VOTE by Otis 14:54, 25 July 2006 (PDT):
  4. VOTE by Geedubber
  5. VOTE by Jeff 16:16, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  6. VOTE by Axl 19:24, 25 July 2006 (EDT)
  7. VOTE by Mick129 16:36, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  8. VOTE by SalMancini
  9. VOTE by JudiciousH 18:54, 25 July 2006 (PDT): Develops our pieces while Ze is hemmed in.
  10. VOTE by bobbie_macrap at me 19:34, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  11. VOTE by Tramtramtram 22:11, 25 July 2006 (EDT):Attacking can wait!
  12. VOTE by MJTisMe23 20:56, 25 July 2006 (PDT): This move is right for so many reasons.

c6

Suggested Move: c6
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: c6

c6... start the pawn exchange from this end and keep our queen out of jeopardy. MalteseFalcon

  • I don't see why we are in a hurry to start the pawn exchange when Ze is a bishop up. I think it'd be better to create an opportunity for us instead of giving an opportunity to Ze. arc
    • Ze's not up a Bishop, we're up a pawn. Shadowcrash 12:07, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Yeah, but we have two knights and a bishop, and he has two bishops and a knight. At this point in the game, more pawns (and a more crowded board) tends to favour the knights.64.7.149.152 12:11, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Since you insist on being literal, we're up a pawn and he has two bishops and a knight, and us 2 knights and a bishop. I don't think that us being a pawn up means we need to obliterate the entire center for no practical purpose that I can see, other than giving Ze more mobility. - arc
  • I like this. He can either take c6, which means we can get our knight off the back row for free, or do something else, at which point we can take d5, and really mess up the center with all those supported black pawns. delta407 12:13, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I still don't see it as a free move because we have to move the bishop to make her useful again. - arc
  • We want to win White's d pawn, not trade for it. Nd7 is a better move for this reason and to a lesser extend so is fxe4. Jeff 12:22, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  • After ...c6 Black get his pawn back: 20 dxc6 Nxc6 21. Ba3 followed by Bxd6 and Bxc4. The point here is that Bxc4 will be with check now so we can't respond with the tactical bit of Qc5+ followed by Qxc4. ...c6 gives away most of our advantage. Snark 15:25, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

Voting

  1. VOTE by Geedubber 14:54, 25 July 2006 (PDT): I don't want to start stuff on the other side of the board with our Queen in the position that she is in. This bypasses all that.
  2. VOTE by Cubzas 19:15, 25 July 2006 (PDT)-- : I like the move. It wins the middle for us.

fxe4

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: fxe4

fxe4... aggressive, no? MikeRapin

  • The problem that I see with this one is that he will just retake with his pawn and now we are in a queen rook skewer.Jes ter23
  • It also lets his bishop into the game. Not to blindly follow positional principles, but he's got the two bishops. Opening up the position gives him considerable compensation for his pawn, and should only be done if we have something concrete to gain by it.--Macgabhain 12:16, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I can't help but think this is the wrong move. As others have pointed out, it effectivly lets him have the f file. It is in our best interest to just hold his pawn there, where it's in the way of his bishops. We need to start moving up while we still have momentum. SaintPeter 12:18, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I think this move is OK, but I'd rather threaten to get Nc5 in first (i.e. play Nd7 now) so that White will play exf5 and isolate his d-pawn. Jeff 12:24, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I think this move would be disasterous. We sacrifice position for a trade of pawns (why?) and follow it by losing our queen in exchange for a rook. He who says zonk 22:29, 25 July 2006 (PDT)


  1. VOTE by ecd 17:25, 25 July 2006 (PDT): Mate. 19. Na2 fxe4 20. fxe4 ...

Qg6

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Qg6

This move has been suggested for the last two moves and now might be right time to play. Gets our Queen off the f file so that when the e4 fireworks happen she isn't being threatened by a rook, yet she is still providing support for e4-f5 Geedubber 13:45, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

  • How would you respond to exf5? Jes ter23
    • We could capture with the rook(Rxf5) or move to Qf7 which forks his d5 and f5 pawns(that might prolong the capture, but i think we'd still get the pawn back). Geedubber 14:28, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • More to the point, how would we respond to exf5 if we *haven't* moved the queen? If we have to play Nxf5 instead of Rxf5, we're abandoning c4 without benefit (trading pawns) and giving Ze an easy opening to gain mobility and initiative, both of which he currently lacks He who says zonk 22:38, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
      • We would take Qf5 and go for exchange. At the end we end up with his 3 pawns and his queen and he gets 2 pawns and our queen and we still keep our positional advantage.
  • This move is still too early! Let's finish developing our pieces. We're not in a hurry. Snark 15:08, 25 July 2006 (PDT)


Voting

  1. VOTE by Geedubber 14:55, 25 July 2006 (PDT):This move works now.
  2. VOTE by Otis 14:56, 25 July 2006 (PDT):
  3. VOTE by He who says zonk 22:38, 25 July 2006 (PDT) - While not ideal, it deals with a potentially dangerous weakness around our pawn structure.
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