Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move22

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Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---

Voting CLOSED (fxe4 wins)

Current Tally

Nf6 2 votes
fxe4 11 votes
Rf6 5 votes
Qg6 3 votes

11 votes divided by 18 voters equals 61% support.

Today's Suggested Moves have been posted, and the voting polls will open at Friday 7PM EDT and close at Monday 12AM EDT(Sunday night), in order to give time for enough deliberation before the votes are cast. Don't have a username/Id yet? Get one here! and take some credit for your contributions!

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  • When voting closes, the move with the most votes wins.
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Vote for or against anti-voting

... it seemed that it was overwhelming (15-2) that fabulosos didn't like this idea, i've moved it to the article section so that if anyone wants to look at it, they can. otherwise, i thought there was no need to clutter the page. mayorcjSR 12:50, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

Actually it was either 15 - 0 or 15 - 1, I anti-voted for anti-voting. Since the result means my vote doesnt exist, I suspect it was 15 - 1. Not that it's really relevant. I was just amused at myself, that's all. I'll go over to that corner and giggle. 203.28.159.168 12:04, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
For the record, I thought your anti-vote was pretty funny. PTWhipplebang 12:47, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
i saw your antivote, i just refused to acknowledge that it exsisted.... wait, wouldn't it be 16-1? oh my... all these numbers... i need something to drink 68.238.11.207 17:13, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

Waiting on Ze's move

You know, even before this happened I thought that to be fair we should allow him until Saturday to post the weekend move. He's been giving us an extra day per week to think about things. (bobbie_mac...not signing in)

Formatting idea

This may be the wrong place to put this, but I thought that it might help people to add a section above the current move proposals that discusses the implications of Ze's last move. A lot of this seems to happen within the move proposals, but it might help to start a thread so that people bopping onto the page at 11:30 PM can see where the major threats are and get an easily perusable debriefing on what we need to respond to and what defensive holes have been opened up by Ze's play. I get a feeling people sometimes see the page and then make a decision based on what has the most votes or the longest thread, which could turn the tide against a good move if a few people do this early (ex. what was once a 3 to 1 vote might jump to 15 to 1 for no reason in particular). I don't know how big of a problem this is, but it seems like it would keep people better informed at the very least. Just a thought for consideration. Ess 09:01, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

  • Makes sense to me, although I think that's what the "Strategy Discussion" is supposed to be (not that it really gets used that way). PTWhipplebang 09:54, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

A plea

Guys, can we please get rid of the right to vote on multiple moves? That just doesn't make any sense to me and its devaluing the collaboration here. In chess you have to make *one* move. We should each be able to decide which move is the best and vote for it. What we have here now is a loosey-goosey analysis in which people say "I like move A" and then later say "but I guess move B is okay, too. They're both fine. Hey, move C is cool, too!" That's a very casual analysis of a chess position and is not how you should be analyzing your own games you play. Since neither move A or B or C is backed with much conviction, it makes it harder to uncover the strategic theme for the position. Snark 12:12, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

We already discussed this at length and voted on it.
--Jeff 12:51, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
I know we did but I think the practice has shown itself to be a bad idea. Thus I'm asking for a reconsideration. Snark 13:34, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
Snark, most positions can have more than one viable plan. While there may be one move I consider vastly superior to another, I can still say that the plan in question has some merit. By voting for it as well as the move I consider superior, I increase the possibility that the winning move is one I do in fact support in some fashion. When there's only one move I can support, I only vote once. It increases, not decreases collaboration -- and in fact can be shown that in multicadidate races, multiple votes increases the chance that a good candidate is elected over a poor one. 70.97.22.122 18:36, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
The point is not to maximize the chance that a move we individually vote for gets picked; it's to maximize the chance that we collectively pick the best move. Allowing multiple voting reduces the deterministic likelihood of that happening. This is not an election where so long as we get a "good" candidate we're happy. We want the best one. (This is also not a blind election; it's an election where we each get to see everyone else's votes before we place our own.) If we have an advantage in a given chess position, like we do now, then it's likely the case that there are many moves that are "good," or at least not "bad". But the whole point of strong chess is to find the best move, one that follows a strategic plan from move to move. Suppose we have three suggested moves, for instance, and we take multiple voting to its ultimate conclusion: suppose that each gets the same number of votes because everyone agrees "they're each playable." Then our collective choice is essentially random, unless a crank like me refuses to go along with multiple votes and picks one particular move. And, by the way, that makes us cranks very powerful. When many people are multi-voting, that increases the value of the singular voting indviduals. Another reason to dump the system. Snark 19:44, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
No one said that you need to vote for a move just because it's "playable". In fact I specifically didn't vote for Rf6 this round because I felt fxe4 was superior even though I could tell Rf6 was still a winning move. But suppose we had single voting and f4 had garnered a bit of support. We could be in the position where 4 strong players liked fxe4 and 5 other strong players liked Rf6 but 6 or 7 weaker players went along with f4. At some point the people preferring fxe4 would have to give up on what are sure is the best move and switch to Rf6 to avoid disaster. This means constantly monitoring the board and also making politicial calculations and a lot of extra effort. Jeff 08:20, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
Boy, I wish the people who voted for Nader in 2000 had paid that close of attention. Or that we DID have multi-voting then. :-) 68.43.125.79 08:28, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

Strategy Discussion


Current board position (flip me)
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Last move: 22. Kh1

Contents

The Predictions are now moot. I put them in the magic dumpster. PTWhipplebang 06:52, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: Rf6
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: f4
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: fxe4
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: Nf6
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Qg6

















Nf6

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Nf6
Speculative Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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22. ... Nf6
23. Bxd6 cxd6
24. Rxb6

I just really like this move. It adds another threat and allows our queen to stay on that particular diagonal. Not a lot of time to ellaborate, or add a lot of discussion. This move just "makes sense." Ze essentially gave us an extra move with his king move, and i think it is wise to push our knight out.

  • This kind of throws away our current advantage. After 22. ... Nf6 23. Bxd6 cxd6 24. Rxb6 we're not losing but we're no longer clearly winning either. Jeff 10:45, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I agree. If we move our d7 knight, he'll just take the other one and then slam his rook into the middle of our pieces. Then we'll be responding to his moves. Jes ter23 10:59, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I agree also, Rxb6 after the Bd6 exchange is what makes this move dangerous, and inferior to other suggestions. Otis 11:50, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I'm removing my vote after considering the above analysis. PTWhipplebang 12:28, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

Voting

  1. vote by 4.224.246.144 10:04, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
  2. VOTE by mayorcjSR 10:08, 30 July 2006 (PDT): I think fx is too soon and we shouldn't be moving our queen from that diagonal.


fxe4

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Kh1 fxe4


Pressure on e4
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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22. Kh1 fxe4 23. fxe4 Rxf1 24. Rxf1 Nf6 25. Bf3 Qg6 Threat on two pawns at once.

26. Re1 covers e4 pawn. We've no way to make progress.
Re1 has been taken into account and is in fact expected. It changes nothing and is still VERY favorable to black. -V
White's best response is 26. Bxd6 cxd6 27. Qb1 and Black's position is weakened from where it was three moves earlier. 27...Nd7 is forced and and after 28. Qb5 we will now be on the defensive. 25...Qe3 is the move to make, not 25...Qg6. It still puts pressure on e4 (and c3 and e1) but also protects b6. Snark 19:58, 30 July 2006 (PDT)


Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: 22. ... fxe4
23. fxe4 Qg6
24. Bxd6 cxd6
25. Rxf8+ Rxf8
26. Bxc4 Nc5


Alternate Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: 22. ... fxe4
23. fxe4 Qg6
24. Bxd6 cxd6
25. Rxf8+ Nxf8


Alternate Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Continued from directly above.

26. Rxb6 Bxd5
27. Bf3 Nd7
28. Rb5 Bc6 (or Rc5)
29. Rxa5 Nc5
30. Ra7 (or Nb4) Bxe4
31. Bxe4 Qxe4
32. Qxe4 Nxe4
Many variations, but looks good for black AFAICT

  • Since this one is so popular, I've got to ask you guys, what's stopping 23. Bxc4? Isn't that the move for white to make before he does Bxd6? (- WHO? WHEN?)
    •  ??
      • If he 23. Bxc4 then Nxc4. That's the whole point of keeping the knight on d6. Even if he takes the rook, we would have both his bishops for a rook and a pawn. I think that's worth it. Jes ter23 11:03, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Yeah, the knight on d6 is also putting pressure on e4, that's why it's really in white's best interest to take it. Clearly 23. Bxc4 doesn't work and anything other than 23. fxe4 allows for 23. ... exf3 and then white would be really hosed. I think if you look at all the variations, the sequence 23. exf4 Qg6 24. Bxd6 cxd6 will come out as clearly the best for both sides. At that point white has to worry about Bxd5 and his best remedy for that is the rook exchange followed by Bxc4. It's all pretty inevitable. 22. ... fxe4 is the winning move (although I think 22 ... Rf6 is also a winning move, it just takes longer and isn't as clear) Jeff 11:18, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
        • What they said. Otis 11:55, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I feel like this is an extremely dangerous direction to take the game. Until now we've been playing defensively and our entire board setup is geared towards strong positions and preventing Ze's movement. If we start trading in the centre we are not trading equally because we are losing a position + a piece and he is only losing a piece. None of the exchanges started by this move show a clear benefit for us. At best they show attrition, with both sides losing a fair number of similar pieces, which is BAD for us because our advantage isnt by numbers (in which case attrition would benefit us) but by position. This exchange will feel even the whole way through but at the end of it Ze will have re-opened the board and taken away our positional advantage. The point of developing a good position is to force him to begin exchanges and to make him pay when he does. He who says zonk 12:25, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Can you please give a variation or two to suggest what you're worried about? How are we losing a position? And, by the way, we do have a material advantage so attrition is not, in and of itself, a bad thing. But we want to do fxe4 to take advantage of our better position. Snark 13:41, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
      • I agree. What exactly do you see that is "extremely dangerous?" It's hard to reconsider my vote based on your worries if I don't know what it is you're worried about and what you think would be a better course of action. PTWhipplebang 13:47, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
  • What would be a safer direction? To me, this seems like the best idea suggested so far, but I'd be open to considering other, safer options. PTWhipplebang 12:33, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I would have preferred the queen on g6, but this works just as well. 23. fxe4 and now we apply pressure on the e pawn. If we can get the queen to g6, we get the advantage because we can take the d5 pawn and white can't take back without losing his queen. 23. ... Nf6 24. Bf3 Qg6 and now things are very bad for white. Note that the black bishop can take the e5 pawn and even if white tries to trading for our black knight on e6, it only helps our position. Trading rooks beforehand is also an option, but we temporarilly lose the f file. I've only quickly looked over this, but there are lots of traps against white. V 09:58, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Or, 22. Kh1 fxe4 23. fxe4 Rxf1 24. Bxf1 Nf6 25. Re1 Nxe4 26. Rxe4 Nxe4 27. Qxe4 or Bxc4. Otis 10:56, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Before taking with the knights, I'd play 25. ... Qg6. If we don't play Qg6, forget about it. Qg6 can be played at any point, even be played on our very next move. V 10:41, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Ok, so 22. Kh1 fxe4 23. fxe4 Rxf1 24. Bxf1 Nf6 25. Re1 Qg6 - this looks ok, too. Ok, it's getting late here and I have to go, so please count this as a VOTE for me when the polls open. Otis 10:55, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • I think this is the right line but I'd play 25...Qe3 instead of ...Qg6. I don't see the threats on two pawns. But we're in a great, great position after 25...Qe3. 22...fxe4 is THE right move. Snark 11:37, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • The threats on two pawns after 25. Re1 are Bxd5 and either of our knights at Nxe4, compounded by Qg6 against e4. This is getting way ahead, but if 25. Re1, Qe3 invites Rxe3... Probably not the best way to go. Qg6 would seem better at that point. Nevertheless, this line is ok to that point. An excellent move, unless someone sees something I don't. Otis 11:51, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Sorry, I was looking at the position in the diagram and didn't realize that variation was different than the one beneath which I commented. I was looking at the R on f1, not e1. But the line quoted above (22. Kh1 fxe4 23. fxe4 Rxf1 24. Bxf1 Nf6 25. Re1) loses immediately to ...25...Nfxe4. For instance, if 26. Rxe4 then 26...Qf5 wins big material. No matter, point is: fxe4 is the way to go! Snark 12:16, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • BTW, re: the position in the diagram, I still think 25...Qe3 is the way to go after 22. Kh1 fxe4 23. fxe4 Rxf1 24. Rxf1 Nf6 25. Bf3. The "two threats" are resolved by White by 26. Bxd6 cxd6 27. Qb1 and our position is not as good as after 25...Qe3. Snark 12:21, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Kh1 was a mistake for Ze. The line I want to play is 22. ... fxe4 23. fxe4 Qg6! which keeps white defending that e-pawn while we build up more of a kingside attack. Notice how in this line the e-pawn is actually pinned against the queen possibly allowing Bxd5. Jeff 12:09, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Concur. Kh1 was not Ze's best move. He's worried. There are still things he can do, but we've got a clear advantage king-side right now. Otis 12:20, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • It could go down, 22. ...fxe4 23. fxe4 Rxf1 24.Rxf1 Qg6. I'm not sure if it's better or worse, just another variation. Jes ter23
        • Yeah, that works too except white ends up in charge of the f-file and then with 25. Qd1 threatening a later Bg4 he's kind of slowing us down. The line I'm looking at right now is 22. ... fxe4 23. fxe4 Qg6 24. Bxd6 cxd6 25. Rxf8+ Rxf8. He can win the c-pawn but 26. Bxc4 Nc5 and we're going get his e4 pawn and have a protected passer in the middle. After that we trade down and he's hosed. Jeff 12:53, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Yeah, I completely agree with Qg6 whether on our next move or the one after. That is what this is all about. But there are many variations that look good too. V 13:58, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Jeff, look at the alternate position (taking with the knight instead of the rook). Wouldn't that be better than the line you were looking at? We're threatning to get the d5 pawn with our bishop and other discovered nastiness on the queen and rook. V 14:10, 29 July 2006 (PDT) : I looked at it some more and if he takes the black pawn on b, a flurry of trades will make sure we still end up with a pawn ahead in the end game with his pawns all disconnected while ours are in the center all together. No matter what, I can find nothing wrong with fxe4.
            • The thing I don't like about that variation is that we no long hold the f-file and we don't have Nc5 to play anymore. In that case white would probably just try to hold things together with 26. Rb2 to protect his queen. Of course he's still losing :-) Jeff 15:04, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • 22.Kh1 was a mistake because it weakens the f2 square and, potentially creates threats to Ze's bank rank. Jeff's line above is best:
    • 22...fxe4 23.fxe4 Qg6! 24.Bxd6 cxd6 25.Rxf8+ Rxf8 26.Bxc4 and either 26...Nc5 (threatening Nxe4 and then even Nf2+!) or 26...Rf4 will do nicely. This line is nearly forced (all other moves for White are clearly worse). -Axl
    • (N.B. Moving the Q to g6 is not redundant because had we done so earlier he would have traded on f5 favorably. Now, AFTER we exchange on e4, it becomes useful to have the Queen on g6.)
      • Also Qg5 was what prompted him to make the Kh1 mistake to begin with. BTW, I looked at the position after 26. Bxc4 and I'm pretty sure our best is 26. ... Nc5 27. Rxb6 Rf4 28. Kg1 and then we initiate a trade-down with 28. ... Qxe4 29. Qxe4 Rxe4 after which I don't see any way for white to avoid losing and like you said, everything else looks even worse for him. Jeff 11:00, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

Voting

  1. VOTE by Otis 10:55, 29 July 2006 (PDT): Ok, so 22. Kh1 fxe4 23. fxe4 Rxf1 24. Bxf1 Nf6 25. Re1 Qg6 - this looks ok, too. Ok, it's getting late here and I have to go, so please count this as a VOTE for me when the polls open.
  2. VOTE by PTWhipplebang 19:27, 29 July 2006 (PDT): May as well get this started. (In the event that we decide to eliminate multiple votes as per Snark's suggestion, this is my first choice.)
  3. VOTE by Snark 19:30, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  4. VOTE by V 19:36, 29 July 2006 (PDT) : I like being on the offensive for a change!
  5. VOTE by Jeff 23:59, 29 July 2006 (PDT): My first choice.
  6. VOTE by Thebigjc 08:39, 30 July 2006 (PDT): We've been patiently waiting on this move forever, but now is the right time. Ze end is near!
  7. VOTE by Jes ter23 11:16, 30 July 2006 (PDT): Works for me.
  8. VOTE by Axl 14:30, 30 July 2006 (PDT): It's good.
  9. VOTE by JudiciousH 16:16, 30 July 2006 (PDT): Sounds like fun!
  10. VOTE by Kingpatzer 18:41, 30 July 2006 (PDT) : this is actually a very sound plan at this point in the game. We have superior mobility now, so let's use it!
  11. VOTE by salmancini 71.232.36.140 19:04, 30 July 2006 (PDT)


Rf6

Suggested Move: Rf6
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Rf6
  • I like 22. Kh1 Rf6 here. A strategy involving attacking Ze's pawn chain at the base seems right to me. It's the tactics supporting that strategy we need to be careful about. Otis 08:42, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I like the idea of getting our rook more heavily involved. PTWhipplebang 08:52, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Several people have advocated attacking Ze's pawn chain at e4. Can anyone tell me to what end? Doing so opens up the center and gives his bishops considerable play, whereas now the only plan he can implement with them is to win back the c4 pawn at the cost of his dark square bishop. If he does this, then opening the center could make sense for us. (Although even in that case a closed center isn't bad for us, as we still have a better ability to move from the kingside to the queeenside and back.)--Macgabhain 09:54, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • The idea is win some of white's pawns or force him into a disadvantage defending them. He's already a pawn down and if he doesn't defend things just right he will end up being 2 or 3 pawns down and with black having a passed pawn in the center. His bishops don't really get to play around much because he will need them to hold things together. Jeff 12:22, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Actually I'm advocating attacking Ze's pawn chain at g2 and h2 and not e4. Rf6 is a staging move for that attack. It's getting late here and I have to go, so please count this as a VOTE for me when the polls open. Otis 09:59, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Ze's king seems to be pretty pinned in that corner; this seems like a weakness we might exploit. If we get the Rook behind the queen (Rg6), Qg2 could be a deathknell for his King. Since I'm not so hot at chess, though, what are some potential lines he could do to throw a wrench in the plans? --FuIru 11:42, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Rf2. But we can plan for it now that we know it is there. Rf2 accounts for the g-file but not for the h-file. A coordinated attack against his pawn chain base (h2 in particular) is still attainable with Rf6, however. In other words, if Rf2, then Rh6, followed by Qh5. That's a lot of pressure against h2 and potentially his king. If he counters with Bc1 or Qc1, we can still move f4 to protect. Otis 11:57, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • This move is building up to a kingside attack. It looks like it will take a while but I'm pretty sure it's impossible for white to do anything about it. I can't decide between this and fxe4. Jeff 12:11, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • lol that's why I voted for both! I think we're ok either way. f4 even looks okay to me. Ze's in trouble king-side, to be sure. You can tell he's thinking about it because of the Kh1 move, which I agree was not his best move. Otis 12:14, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • You voted for both? Past tense? I don't see any votes. Jeff 13:09, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • I have to pre-vote due to time-zones, and I like all three of these moves, though I'll say I like fxe4 and Rf6 better than f4. Otis 13:14, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I like this move, but the problem i see with it is 23. f4 . He opens up his light bishop, and forks our queen and pawn. We can't take with the queen because of the rook, and if we take with the e pawn, then he can move 24. e5 and now we have to move our d6 knight, allowing him to take c4 with no problems. Jes ter23
    • If 23. f4 exf4 24. e5 Nxe5 - that is d7 knight, d6 can stay where he is, protecting c4. Otis 12:27, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • then maybe, 25.Bxd6 cxd6 26. Rxb6 and now we can't defend. if we move bishop, he can take d6, or if we move the rook to protect the bishop, he can do the same, and if the rook moves, he takes c4. Jes ter23
      • Excellent point. But, if 25. Bxd6 cxd6 26. Rxb6 Rb8 27. Bxc4 Nxc4 Otis 12:41, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Good catch. But he still gets 27. Rxd6 and that still causes problems for us. BTW Otis, did you vote for all three? lol Jes ter23
        • 27. Rxd6 Rxd6 and yep, I voted for all three lol. Otis 12:52, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Oops. I forgot that our rook will be on f6 and will be able to defend. Hmmm... If he does Bxd6 then we could Rxd6 and we'll lose c4, but that won't happen if he does e5 first. Complicated. This one is definatly better, but I hope there is something in our favor that i'm not seeing. Jes ter23
          • It all depends on Ze's reactions. But we are forcing his movements, he's not forcing ours. I prefer being in the driver's seat, as we are right now, in my opinion, with any of these moves. Otis 12:58, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

I like this because it stops the pin on our knight. Can someone tell be what is preventing Bxc4 on the next move? Our knight can't retake c4 without exposing our rook unless we do something like this move.

  • If Ze plays 23. Bxc4 after we play 22...exf4, then we play 23...Nxc4 24. Bxf8 exf3! 25. Rxf3 Rxf8 and we've got a big material and positional advantage. Snark 12:05, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Snark's right, here. 24. Bxf8 exf3 is a good response to this problem - this issue is discussed in the fxe4 discussion above. Otis 12:35, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
    • In response to Snark's plea above, I've decided to remove my vote for Rf6 and go with fxe4. I simply think fxe4 is the best of these two moves. Otis 12:15, 30 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Thanks for the support, Otis! The system works! :-) Snark 13:46, 30 July 2006 (PDT)

Voting

  1. VOTE by PTWhipplebang 19:30, 29 July 2006 (PDT): This works for me too, I think.
  2. VOTE by bobby_macnew gender specific spelling! 10:59, 30 July 2006 (PDT): I like fxe4, but I don't see what keeps him from 23. Bxc4 if we don't do this.
  3. VOTE by Jes ter23 11:17, 30 July 2006 (PDT): This one too.
  4. VOTE by Kingpatzer 18:42, 30 July 2006 (PDT) : I think fxe4 is more to the point of the position, but this is good as well and certainly playable
  5. VOTE by Animegod 23:30, 30 July 2006 (PDT) : Guys! This is the power move we need! Put Ze on the Mega defensive! Back this move up with Rg6 followed by Qxg2 and we have a possible check situation! FIRST BLOOD!

f4

Suggested Move: f4
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: f4
  • I think a good argument could be made for f4 as well. Ze's pawn chain restricts diagonal support, f4 adds to that. Potential trouble for the f4 move is g3, but Rf6 after g3 looks safe. Bc1 is still an option for him if there is an f4 exchange, and his rook to the g-file could be troubling as well after an f4 exchange, but Qh5 gets us out of that immediate danger, while leaving the g- and h- files exploitable, if we are careful with our rook and queen and make sure they support each other. Bc1 would bring a little relief on our queen-side, opening up a potential Nc5. Otis 08:40, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I added the f4 move. A bigger concern with f4, rather than g3 which I think would actually win us the game, is g4. g4 effectively forces us to move our queen around that g4 pawn and prevents getting any support/protection to the queen. It will be something we can deal with, it will just take longer. Hooray for my first contribution!! Ross 08:42, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Good point, Ross, and thanks for the wiki-work. I can still vote for f4, but I'm not sure if it's the best of possible moves king-side. Otis 08:46, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Moments afterwards I realize that g3 and g4 are basically the same move, so my previous discussion is rather useless. But, I still like f4 mostly because it cramps his position Ross 08:53, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • One of our bigest plusses is that we can freely move our pieces from the kingside to the queenside and back again. Ze can't. Ze's biggest potential plus is his two bishops, which so long as his pawn chain is intact are useless. f4 helps preserve both of those. If Ze wants to keep and activate his bishops, he has to critically damage his king's position.

Whether our appropriate follow-up is an attack on the king or activating our 4-2 queenside pawn majority, f4 is the right move to solidify our advantage.--Macgabhain 09:50, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

  • Please avoid this move like the plague. It's just awful. It locks up the king side where we are more powerful and have more mobility. Locking this up is like playing for the other side. V 10:01, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • What do you mean, locks up the kings side? Please explain, and if you can, show moves to prove the point. Jes ter23
  • I think this move let's white equalize too much. He can easily defend his kingside now and it gives him time to manuever his knight back into play. If someone wants to seriously support this move, I'd like to play the white side of the position in the area below. My first move will be 23. Rg1 Any takers? Jeff 13:16, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Could you just quickly show us the line and obvious pitfalls? I'll gladly withdraw support for this move if show you me the difficulties, please. I think you are an excellent chess player and greatly value your commentary. Otis 13:47, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • There are a lot of variations and nothing particularly bad happens to either side for quite some time with best play. That's my point. f4 doesn't throw away the game for black but it throws away the our current advantage. The other two moves lead to bad things for white much more quickly. Where do you think black should be going with this line?? I don't see that it leads black anywhere except muddling through an even game. Jeff 13:52, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • The thought was that working against the base of his pawn chain king-side might be good. This move is inferior to both Rf6 and fxe4, in my opinion, but still playable. Otis 13:58, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Why not play through a variation or two with me anyway just for fun? Jeff 14:01, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • lol well for one thing it would be pretty embarrassing to get my butt kicked by my own team-mate... Your point is well-taken without having to go through that, this move is inferior to both of the other moves available, and as such, supporting it seems kind of odd, come to think of it. Otis 14:05, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • I don't mind getting my ass kicked. I'm not great, but I don't mind practice. Only thing is, i'm going to be leaving right now. I'll be back in an hour or so. You still going to be around Jeff? Jes ter23
          • If you're up for it, my first move is Rf6. I'll be back in an hour. Jes ter23
  • Question: How do you make it so that it posts the time after your name? Jes ter23

f4 showdown

Jeff vs Jes ter23
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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22. ... f4
23. Rg1 Rf6
24. g3 Rcf8
25. gxf4 Qxf4
26. Bc1 Qh4
27. Bg5 Qh5
28. Bxf6 Rxf6
29. Rg3 Rh6
30. Bd1 Nc5
31. Qg2 Nf7
32. Rxg7+ Kf8
33. Rg8+ Ke7
34. Rg3 c6
35. Rxb6 Kf8
36. Qg1 Nd6
37. Rg8+ Ke7
38. Qg7+ Nf7
39. Qf8+ Kf6
40. Rg2 Qh4
41. dxc6

comments

  • Just to move things along, if your response is Qh5, I'll play 25. g4 Jeff 15:15, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • It wasn't. Does it make a difference? Jes ter23
    • A bit :-) Jeff 15:55, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Not sure where this is going, but it's an interesting line. Jes ter23 16:01, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • You can take that back if you want. Jeff 16:04, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Didn't see that one coming. I almost want to play it out with Rxh2+, but I can't see anyway to keep my queen. Alright, lets go back a step. Jes ter23 16:07, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Lets try this one. Jes ter23 16:11, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • We can try another one if you like. I recommend 25. ... Rg6 Jeff 16:17, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Actually I would like to play this out for a second if you don't mind. we can back up if it doesn't work out. Jes ter23 16:19, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Feel free to back it up as far as you'd like :-) Jeff 16:23, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Sorry, I like to feel out all the possibilities. :^) Jes ter23 16:26, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Feel away! Jeff 16:28, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Lol! Why Jeff, is that an invitation? Jes ter23 16:29, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Ahem. Jeff 16:32, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • No harm intended. :^) Jes ter23 16:37, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • You've got my queen with f4. Hmmm... care to back it up? Jes ter23 16:43, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Feel free. Jeff 16:44, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Does the board look correct? Jes ter23 16:47, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Yeah, that's right. Jeff 16:48, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • ok, lets start again. Jes ter23 16:49, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Your move. Jeff 16:50, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I feel a fork coming on. Jes ter23 17:10, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • At least you weren't expecting me to spoon you. Jeff 17:11, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Hahaha That's pretty good. Jes ter23 17:12, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Maybe I should have done Rg6. Jes ter23 17:39, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

Can you back it up to 31. Qg2 and g7 pawn to g6, just to see what happens, please? That is, after you finish these lines. Otis 17:41, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

    • Start another board and i'll play it with you. Jes ter23 17:44, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Actually you are still ok right now, please continue, sorry to butt in. Otis 17:47, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • That's ok Otis. It's just practice. Jes ter23 17:48, 29 July 2006 (PDT)\
  • Jeff, did you back it up? Jes ter23 17:50, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I made another variation below. Jeff 17:51, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Thanks. :) Hey Otis, you want to take white or black? Jes ter23 17:53, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • OK, I think I'm about done with this for today. Thanks for playing. Jeff 18:15, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Aww.. Jes ter23 18:21, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I hope to play you again some time. Jes ter23 18:26, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Who is playing now? Jes ter23 18:35, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Not me. Otis 18:38, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • That was me. I was about to shut things down and I noticed you made a move. Couldn't resist one parting shot. Jeff 18:38, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • OK OK. I'll play it out. Shouldn't take too long now. Jeff 18:46, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • That was a good move. Jes ter23 18:59, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Ring around the rosie Jes ter23 19:04, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Unfortunately I really do have to go now. Jeff 19:06, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Aw man. A cliffhanger. I really want to know how this one comes out. maybe we can finish it one day. Jes ter23 19:10, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

Alternate for Otis

Alternate take
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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22. ... f4
23. Rg1 Rf6
24. g3 Rcf8
25. gxf4 Qxf4
26. Bc1 Qh4
27. Bg5 Qh5
28. Bxf6 Rxf6
29. Rg3 Rh6
30. Bd1 Nc5
31. Qg2 g6
32. Rg4 Bc8
33. Rg5 Qh3
34. Qxh3 Bxh3
35. Rxe5 Rh4
36. Be2 Nd7
37. Re7 g5
38. e5 Nf7
39. e6 Ne5
40. exd7 Nxd7
41.Bxc4 Rxc4
42. Re4 Bf5
43. Rxc4 Bxb1
44. Nc1 Nc5
45. Kg2 Bf5
46. Kg3 Bd7
47. h4 h6
48. hxg5 hxg5
49. f4 gxf4
50. Kxf4 Bxa4
51. Kf5 Kf8
52. Kf6 b5
53. Rh4 Ke8
53. Rh7 Kd8
54. Rf7 Kc8
55. Rf8+ Kb7
56. Rf7 Bc2
57. d6 Ne4+
58. Ke5 Nxd6
59. Kd5 Nxf7

comments

Nf7 should be on Nd6 I think. I'll take black. For what it's worth, I think playing this out is pretty good evidence that Jeff is right and either of the other moves are superior to f4, lol Otis 17:54, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

yeah, it's damn hard to stay alive as black in this. ok, i'll take white. Jes ter23 17:56, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

  • It's not so hard to stay alive as black if you don't go for the attack. But that was sort of my whole point :-) Jeff 17:59, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Whites bishop was never on c2. Jes ter23
  • You mean 32. Bc2? I had thought that was your move. Ok, let's start at 31. Qg2 g6 Otis 18:02, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • For fun, let's try the trade. Jes ter23 18:24, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Ok. Otis 18:26, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • ffflll. Crap I didn't even see that... Otis 18:34, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Ok you got me. Otis 18:36, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • we can go back if you want. Jes ter23 18:36, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Ok, back to the queen trade, please. Otis 18:37, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Actually, it's now almost 4 am here, so I should probably go to bed. Thanks for the schooling, Jeff and Jester, it's been fun! Otis 18:41, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Oh what the heck, you went to the trouble of resetting, I may as well try again. Otis 18:42, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • goodnight Otis. Jes ter23 18:42, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  •  :) Jes ter23 18:43, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Let's try the bishop this time. Otis 18:45, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • hahaha didn't see that one coming. Jes ter23 19:09, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Wanna go back? Otis 19:11, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Yes, please. Jes ter23 19:12, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Ok, back to 37. Re7 g5? Otis 19:13, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Yeah, lets try this move. Jes ter23 19:15, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Yeah that's what I had expected. Otis 19:16, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
            • lol Jes ter23 19:17, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
            • lol Otis 19:18, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Your rook is beginning to look very menacing... Otis 19:20, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • He's got teef! Jes ter23 19:22, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • lol so do your pawns... Otis 19:23, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • I thought that Ze was really in the hole with this setup, but he still has lot of power. I told you it was hard to stay alive as black in this senario. Jes ter23 19:26, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • I thought so, too. And yes, it's very hard to keep alive here... Otis 19:28, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • That made me sad. Jes ter23 19:37, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • lol sorry! Wanna go back? Otis 19:38, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • No, lets try it out. Jes ter23 19:41, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Ok, time for a sacrifice and a skewer. Otis 19:42, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Jester kabobs. Nice skewer. Jes ter23 19:44, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Thank you, sir. But it ain't over yet, not by a long shot. Otis 19:45, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Did you forget about en passant ? Jes ter23 19:56, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Yep, sure did. Can we go back to 44. Nc1, please? Otis 20:00, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Sure. that move scared me for a second. :) Jes ter23 20:02, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • lol yeah I should have known it was too good to be true. Otis 20:03, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • The only reason I want to go back is because I don't see a way to stop your pawn promotion, and that would likely spell the end for me. Otis 20:03, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • So you figured out my plan, huh? Your move. :)Jes ter23 20:05, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Nc5 please, sir. Otis 20:07, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • This is getting hairy. Jes ter23 20:11, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Yup. Pretty good stuff, though, I'm really enjoying this. Otis 20:12, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Ke6 puts you in check from my knight. Otis 20:45, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Oh, I see, it's Kf6. Ok Otis 20:45, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • sorry about that, i hit the 5 key. Jes ter23 20:47, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • No problem. Otis 20:48, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Run, king, run! Oh, and protect that pawn, too, please. Otis 20:59, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • A fork and a check, please. Otis
  • I wonder who will get who in this game. Jes ter23 21:16, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
    • You certainly look prepared to chomp on my pawns with your king. Let's see what happens if I take your rook, though. Otis 21:24, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Shity. Well, I might be able to go for a draw, but I don't think that I can win. I will concede. Good game Otis. Jes ter23 21:27, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Jester, that was awesome, thank you for the game. So the final analysis is f4 is a tough SOB and not a good move... Otis 21:31, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Agreed on both accounts. I hope you don't have anything to do in the morrning. It's only 9:30 over here, but it was 4 in the morrning quite a long time ago for you. Jes ter23 21:33, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
        • lol it is now 6:35 in the a.m., Central European Time. But this was so much fun that I don't even care. Thanks again, Jester. Otis 21:34, 29 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I see the polls are open and people are starting to vote. Whatever you do, folks, don't vote for f4! Otis 21:37, 29 July 2006 (PDT)

Qg6

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Qg6

The move planned the last round, but with Ze's king in a better place for us.


Voting

  1. VOTE by Geedubber: Still a better position for the queen.
  2. VOTE by 68.238.11.207 17:16, 30 July 2006 (PDT): anything but fx
  3. VOTE by 68.84.33.227 19:02, 30 July 2006 (PDT): this looks like the strongest move
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