Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move23

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Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---

Voting Closed (Qg6! wins!)

Rf4 1 vote
Qg6 17 votes
Nc5 1 vote
Rxf1+ 2 votes

Where is the move template thingie so I can update it? V 21:07, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

  • I did it. Did we want to include the ! ? PTWhipplebang 21:16, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

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Strategy Discussion

Current Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_26.png
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Last Move: fxe4

Contents



Please take the time to familiarize yourself with some common middlegame tactics.


Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: Rf4
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
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Suggested Move: Qg6!
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
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Suggested Move: Nc5
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Rxf1+
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Nf6

















Rf4

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Rf4

Releases our knight from being pinned, attacks the e4 pawn and gives us the option to put our other rook on the open f line. TtT

  • Also looks like it allows him to hold it together a little better with 24. Bf3. I think this is squandering our initiative a bit. With 23. ... Qg6 we're threatening an immediate Bxd5 which Bf3 can't defend against. Jeff 10:42, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • If he does a series of exchanges like 23 ... Qg6 24. Rxf8 Nxf8 25. Bf3 Bxd4 26. Bxd6 cxd6 27. Rxb6 he can use Bf3 to hold even. The main thing we give up by doing Qg6 now is having the rook exchange in the f rank on our terms where it does not pull a piece from its defending position. BitBender 17:07, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

VOTING

  1. VOTE by BitBender 18:41, 31 July 2006 (PDT): I prefer to wait a turn for Qg6 and move the rook out of f8 so that if he exchanges or if we get to move the d6 Knight we are less hampered


Qg6!


Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: 23. ... Qg6


Specultive Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
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23. ... Qg6
24. Bxd6 cxd6
25. Rxf8+ Rxf8
26. Bxc4 Nc5


Specultive Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
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23. ... Qg6
24. Bxd6 cxd6
25. Rxf8+ Rxf8
26. Bxc4 Nc5
27. Rxb6 Rf4


Specultive Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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23. ... Qg6
24. Rbc1 Rxf1+
25. Bxf1 Nf6
26. Bxd6 cxd6
27. Re1 Bxd5

Threatens an immediate Bxd5 to which white must respond.

  • (condensed from my analysis last move) 23. ... Qg6 24. Bxd6 cxd6 25. Rxf8+ Rxf8. He can win the c-pawn but 26. Bxc4 Nc5 and we're going get his e4 pawn and have a protected passer in the middle. After that 27. Rxb6 Rf4 28. Kg1 we initiate a trade-down with 28. ... Qxe4 29. Qxe4 Rxe4 after which I don't see any way for white to avoid losing. Jeff 10:30, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • This looks bloody but good. Are we sure this is the line Ze will take? PTWhipplebang 11:03, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • it doesn't matter if he takes this or antoher line, this move is solid. There's nothing Ze can do here that nets him a gain. He has a few choices that he can go with: Qb2, Bxd6, Bf3, Rb2, Rbc1 . . . but none of them really hold. This line is simply devistating to white. Kingpatzer 11:09, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I haven't been able to find a move for him that gains him any advantage after this move. This is an excellent move. Otis 11:10, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Cool...cool. I like anything devastating. PTWhipplebang 11:14, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I personally think white's best defense here will look something like: 24. Rbc1 Rxf1+ 25. Bxf1 Nf6 26. Bxd6 cxd6 27. Re1 when black should seriously consider Bxd5!?
    • If 24. Rbc1 Bxd5 25. exd5 Qxc2 - and we trade queens. Otis 11:22, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Why would we play 24. .. Bxd5? that doesn't net us nearly the return that Rxf1+ does. Kingpatzer 11:34, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Yep, you're right. Otis 11:44, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
        • In fact, Rxf1+ is so devastating and so obvious that I wonder why white would choose 24. Rbc1 at all? I guess because he's hosed anyway :-) Jeff 11:43, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Well, I think it looks bad sooner compared to Bxd6. However, I think white actually is better at the end of this than at the end of Bxd6. It's just the end of this line (where the forcing moves end) comes sooner. But in either case, white's in his death throws after Qg6! Kingpatzer 13:25, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Please count this move as my vote when the polls open. Good night, everyone. Otis 11:46, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • How do we respond to 24. Rb5?
    • Maybe ignore it and still go for Rxf1+ ? PTWhipplebang 12:43, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Followed by 25. Bxf1 Nxb5. 24. Rb5 is a bit of a blunder. Jeff 13:09, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I have not seen any discussion of what I think would be his most likely move, Bf3. While this gives up the his attack on the c4 pawn it shores up the his defense of g2 and e4 BitBender 13:41, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • 24. Bf3 fails to 24...Bxd5. Snark 13:52, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • He does not have to defend d5 as much as the e4 follow through. If Bf3 occurs in 26. after an Rxf8 which should pull either the Knight from d7 or the Rook from c8. Then he can start an exchange against one of the positions these pieces were defending. And he should get back a pawn. BitBender 14:23, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • I'm not sure exactly what lines you're referring to. If, as you seem to suggest, 23...Qg6 24. Rxf8 Rxf8 25. Bxd6 cxd6 26. Bf3 then we still play 26...Bxd5 and White's not winning any pawns back. We're up two pawns in a vastly superior position. Is there another line you're concerned about? Snark 14:49, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
        • I mistated move 26, should have been move 25 above. In your line he would not do 26 Bf3 but rather Bxc4. Here the defence of the c4 pawn was reduced by moving the rook in 24. If we take his rook with our knight instead [ 24 .. Nxf8] we reduce the protection on the b6 pawn which after a Bxd6 exchange would be undefended. Since I don't think I'm being clear I'll upload the potential lines in a bit. BitBender 15:33, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
        • 23. ... Qg6 24. Rxf8 Nxf8 25. Bf3 Bxd4 26. Bxd6 cxd6 27. Rxb6 bitBender 16:24, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
        • I'm not saying that this is bad for us only that it does not yield immiedate gain unless you count the knight for bishop swap. What I think is that we'd be better off having the rook exchange in a location of the board more favorable to us which is why I'm favoring Rf4 right now. bitBender
          • We'd actually want to play 24...Rxf8, not 24...Nxf8, in your line. But even taking your line out to 27. Rxb6, after 27...Nd7, we have an extra pawn and three connected pawns in the center. White has three isolated pawns and a knight stuck on the edge of the board. It's a great position for Black. Snark 19:46, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • The only issue is what line do we take? Do we exchange rooks now? Qg6 must eventually be played. I'm just wondering if exchanging rooks isn't better as then white's Bxc6 can be readily handled although it's not bad as is. Has anyone gone through the Rook exchange lines again? V 14:43, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • if 23. .. Rxf1+ he has two responses: RxR or BxR.
24. Rxf1 Nf6 (better than Qg6 now) 25. Bxd6 cxd6 26. Bf3 Qe3 and black is fine, but not as good as if we play Qg6 right away.
24. Bxf1 Qg6 25. Rb2 Rf8 and white is hurting, but again, not as much as if we play Qg6 now.
    • Nope. 23 .. Rxf1+ 24. Rxf1 Nf6 25. Bf3 and he's holding on to his e-pawn for the time being. Jeff 15:26, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • After the first speculative position, ending in Nc5, Ze plays 27. Re1 Rf4 28. Bd3 then if Nxd3 28.Qxd3 and Bxd5 is no longer an option (and if not, his center pawns are completely defended anyway). White has e4 completely defended, our Bishop can't attack it in this lifetime and Ze can get his knight out with c4 then Nc4 and Nb5 (or leave it at c4 and free up his Queen or Rook). This just leaves us with two useful pieces "attacking" on the kingside, where Ze is more than able to defend. --Macgabhain 15:44, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Why is Bxd5 no longer an option? 27. Re1 Rf4 28. Bd3 Bxd5 is totally a win for black. Jeff 15:49, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • After 28. Bd3 we again play 28...Bxd5. If 29. exd5 then we get the Bishop on d3. Snark 15:50, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Oops, jinx. - Snark
      • Um, we reply to 28. ... Bxd5 with exd5, of course, leaving his Bishop on d3 protecting his Queen and attacking ours. Oh wait... That does lose a pawn for him. Nevermind. --Macgabhain 16:02, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • And if white responds with 24. Rf3? Lukewarm_Soup
    • ...24 Bxd5 and White feels the pain. Snark 21:11, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • That would permit white to take our bishop. 25. Rg3 Qf7 26. e4xd5... granted, we would end up with 2 of white's pawns if we re-took d5 with the queen. Correct? Lukewarm_Soup
        • Nope. 25. Rg3 Bxe4 Jeff 21:35, 31 July 2006 (PDT)

VOTING

  1. VOTE by Otis 11:46, 31 July 2006 (PDT): Please count this move as my vote when the polls open. Good night, everyone.
  2. VOTE by Jeff 13:15, 31 July 2006 (PDT): Clearly the best for black. White is going down fast
  3. VOTE by PTWhipplebang 16:24, 31 July 2006 (PDT): All the arguments against all the other moves point here. I think this is the best way to go.
  4. VOTE by Jes ter23 16:51, 31 July 2006 (PDT): This was the best move when we made the plan, and it's still the best move.
  5. VOTE by TtT 17:12, 31 July 2006 (PDT): Pinning of e4 to Queen makes this the best move.
  6. VOTE by V 17:43, 31 July 2006 (PDT) : It isn't the Fried Liver, but it's pretty damn cool.
  7. VOTE by 70.35.53.71 17:52, 31 July 2006 (PDT): Sounds dandy.
  8. VOTE by JudiciousH 18:19, 31 July 2006 (PDT): From now on let's only play moves with exclamation points after them.
  9. VOTE by SalMancini 71.232.36.140 18:36, 31 July 2006 (PDT) : You talked me into it.
  10. VOTE by voodooboy 18:46, 31 July 2006 (PDT) More tension, yes!
  11. VOTE by 131.170.90.4 19:14, 31 July 2006 (PDT) : Love it
  12. VOTE by Kingpatzer 19:23, 31 July 2006 (PDT) : just the most solid move available
  13. VOTE by Snark 19:47, 31 July 2006 (PDT): Nail ----> Coffin
  14. VOTE by 72.61.24.95 19:50, 31 July 2006 (PDT): Good move.
  15. VOTE by Theroachman 20:25, 31 July 2006 (PDT) there's no way he can defend against this. Ze is going down arms flailing and losing hull integrity...
  16. VOTE by bobby_macnew gender specific spelling! 20:34, 31 July 2006 (PDT):for snorts and giggles, I predict Qd1...not that it matters.
  17. VOTE by Geedubber 20:40, 31 July 2006 (PDT) : If up two pawns, swap down. This will end the game quickly.


Nc5


Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: Nc5

Also releases knight, puts pressure on e4 salmancini

  • I wonder if he will follow with Bf3 Sal Smancini 11:21, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • 24. Bxc5 bxc5 25. Bf3 . . . somehow I don't see this as being that much in our favor. Kingpatzer 11:37, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  1. VOTE by 70.247.189.106 17:39, 31 July 2006 (PDT): me likes!

Rxf1+

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: Rxf1+
  • Exchanging rooks will move his b rook over in which case we have a clear advantage. Or he'll take with the bishop and the c pawn is still safe as our rook is no longer on the f file. Not having the f-file is only temporary. Qg6 will eventually be played to put more pressure on the center. V 14:52, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Here are a few lines from the last discussion.
    • "22. Kh1 fxe4 23. fxe4 Rxf1 24. Bxf1 Nf6 25. Re1 Nfxe4 loses for white. For instance, if 26. Rxe4 then 26...Qf5 wins big material. by Snark"
      • The issue here is if he'll take with the rook or the bishop. If with the rook, I think we have a clear advantage. With the bishop, we can force massive trades that will end up in our advantage in the end game. V 15:11, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
        • Or: is it better to let him start the exchange? PTWhipplebang 15:15, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I think 24. Rxf1 is his best response. 24. Rxf1 Nf6 25. Bf3 and he's holding on to his e-pawn at least for a while. We're still ahead but it's not as clear a win as it is with 23. ... Qg6. Jeff 15:22, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I looked at it some more and it is possible for white to come out ok. We'd still be a pawn ahead, but I think we would lose the momemtum. Snark's line: 23. fxe4 Rxf1 24. Rxf1 Nf6 25. Bf3 Qg6 26. Bxd6 cxd6 27. Qb1 and we have to start defending again by the lines I've looked at. 25. ... Qe3 may be better, but I don't really like it. I think I'll go with Qg6 V 15:34, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  1. VOTE by 70.247.189.106 17:40, 31 July 2006 (PDT): what the hell? I voted for the wrong move, I meant to vote for Qg6.
  2. VOTE by BitBender 18:43, 31 July 2006 (PDT): I prefer to wait a turn for Qg6 and move the rook out of f8 so that if he exchanges or if we get to move the d6 Knight we are less hampered

Nf6

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: Nf6
Speculative Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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23. ... Nf6
24. Bf3
  • After fxe4, we're committed to attacking the e4 pawn and playing on the kingside. This move gives us the most options and refrains from trading off potential attacking pieces just yet. --Macgabhain 15:30, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • 24. Bf3 and he keeps his e-pawn for now. Jeff 15:35, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • True. And then we follow with Qg6 and he plays a rook to e1 and we're still stuck, just as if we start with Qg6 (which is why fxe4 was a poor move in the first place if the intent is to win center pawns -- Ze can defend them easily.) Nf6 is stronger than Qg6 in that the knight on f6 can do more than attack the easily defended e4 pawn and doesn't essentially force an exchange of pieces that could leave us with not enough material to carry out any attack at all. It blocks the capture at f8, leaving our C8 rook to protect C4 after a potential Bxd6. --Macgabhain 15:53, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
        • 23. ... Qg6 will win the e-pawn. Starting with Qg6 we have the immediate threat of Bxd5. The other moves don't give us this edge. Show me a way for white to defend 23. ... Qg6. Jeff 15:58, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
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