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Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---

Voting CLOSED: Rf2 Zwischenzug, Sugartits!

On the move we seem to have 100% consensus. For the the taunt it's a respectable 73% in favor of "Zwischenzug, Sugartits!"

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Strategy Discussion

Current Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Last Move: Rg1

Contents



Please take the time to familiarize yourself with some common middlegame tactics.


Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: cxd6
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Nc5!
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: !



















cxd6

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: cxd6
  • The obvious option. What else is there to say? MalteseFalcon 11:17, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • Maybe not so obvious after all :-P PTWhipplebang 12:18, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • I never said it was the best move :) MalteseFalcon 12:20, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • But definitely the most obvious.Kidnapped
        • Very true. I stand corrected. PTWhipplebang 13:00, 2 August 2006 (PDT)


Qxd6


Current Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Qxd6
  • I like this move. It accomplishes the same thing as cxd6, but doesn't stick that pawn into a faceoff with Ze's pawn. CtrlBurn 13:31, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • It also gives Ze the c4 pawn and is in all ways inferior to "Rf2!". arc


Rf2!

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Rf2!
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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25. Bxd6 Rf2!

26. g3 Qh6
27. h4 Qe3

(Pardon my edit - Kidnapped) Likely Position?
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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25. Bxd6 Rf2!

26. Rg1 Bxd5 (on board)

Suggested Line
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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25. Bxd6 Rf2!

26. g3 Qh6
27. Re1 Qe3 (Uh, why play Qe3 when we can checkmate white? -V)
28. Bxc7

  • Mate threat. g3 forced by white. Correction: g3 loses. Rg1 best by white. (I think)V 11:21, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • No, 26. g3 loses (see below).
    • Can't white also do an Rg1? What's the response to that one? 64.7.149.152 11:46, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • 26. Rg1 cxd6 and 27...Nc5 will win the e-pawn. -Axl
  • Rf2 also sets up the skewer, pinning the bishop, preventing Bxc4. Otis 11:23, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • And we can still move cxd6 next move if we want to... mick129 11:24, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • Even better, we can move Bxd5!208.60.177.45 11:27, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • Scratch that. Qh6. The game is actually over in three moves. 25. Bxd6 Rf2 26. g3 Qh6 27. ??? Qh2 (and whatever the notation for 'mate' is).bobby_macrap at me 11:38, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • Ugh. I didn't consider Bf3. That would stall checkmate...but we'd get his queen.bobby_macrap at me
      • Sorry...I got overexcited by this. There are plenty of moves Ze can make to stall mate. We're still playing for awhile. But this is a great move.bobby_macrap at me
      • That would be ++ This move just made my day. MalteseFalcon 11:39, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • Well, there's 25. Bxd6 Rf2 26. g3 Qh6 27. h4 and our attack is pretty much warded off. We can however then recapture Ze's bishop and we still come out on top TtT
        • I believe that 27. ... Qe3 by us, black, gives us the win as it threatens mate in two and white will lose at least a piece trying to defend. V 12:27, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • Yep, squeeze him. This game is as good as over. Otis 11:28, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • Please count this as a vote for me when the polls open. And someone set the board up for the rematch... Good night, Ze. Otis 11:29, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • This is definitely the move to make but it's not a forced mate. But Ze will have to give up heavy material to avoid it. For instance, 25...Rf2 26. Rg1 cxd6 27. Nc1 Bxd5 etc. Snark 11:44, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • Yeah, this line seems more likely Geedubber 11:47, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • Main line: 25. Bxd6 Rf2 26. g3 Qh6 27. h4 Qe3 Mate threat in two. I'm wondering about 28. Rf1 I know we can take back a bishop or trade. Can anyone clear this up? It looks real good either way though. V 11:41, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • I think 26. Rg1 is White's best defense. But it's still pretty hopeless. Snark 11:46, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • This is my vote as well, but I don't see a forced mate. 25. ... Rf2! 26. Rg1 and white can hold it together and probably struggle through to the endgame before losing. Jeff 11:47, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • Your right, Jeff. We've still got to be careful. Otis 14:24, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • After 25...Rf2, 26.Rg1 is forced (only attempt at defense), after which we recapture on d6 with an overwhelming advantage. Ze obviously wasn't reading the Fabuloso discussion last move. His 25.Bxd6 loses almost immediately! The position is resignable for White after we play Rf2. It's a shame, really; this has been fun. Now, we will eviscerate him utterly... -Axl
    • Why settle for the bishop when you can have the queen? 25. .. Rf2 26. Rg1 Bxd5. (27. exd QxQ, or else 27. Qd2 Bxe4 mate to follow) Kidnapped
      • Perhaps more likely is the response 27. Bd3 Rxc2 28. Bxc2 cxd6, winning the queen and a pawn for our rook. Kidnapped
  • Did some more looking. (25. Bxd6 Rf2! 26. g3 Qh6 27. h4 Qe3) 28. Rf1 loses. RxB wins outright. If he takes with the Queen, after the trade, he can't protect both his rook and his bishop. And our knight is very well positioned to protect the f8 square. If he moves it away, we can maneuver to get both rook and queen on the second row (and/or take back bishop on d6). Just a matter of time after that. I will look at Rg1 now. V 11:59, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • Maybe we should be hardchargers and quickly update the Wiki with our move Rf2! Skip voting. That will shock Ze. Snark 12:00, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • (25. Bxd6 Rf2! 26. g3 Qh6 27. h4 Qe3) 28. Rg1 loses to RxB too. If he takes with queen, we're up. Otherwise, he can't protect both the queen and his bishop. So we'd be a piece up with his position completely destroyed. I don't see a way out for white. V 12:04, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • Besides the fact that this is the best move, it ALSO has an exclamation point after it! Arc
    • Nobody votes against exclamation points. I too think we should skip the voting an submit this right now. SUBMIT NOW V 12:18, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • The only problem with that is that some hard charger could submit a move tomorrow that is terrible! Maybe someone will show up that can show why this move is terrible in the meantime, but I doubt it! arc
      • Notation question from chess novice: What qualifies a move to have the exclamation point? Or is it more subjective? Either way I love it. Also, I'm all for hard-charging when the situation demands it, but I don't think it would hurt to vote just in case. PTWhipplebang 12:25, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
        • Not sure. I just put it there based on previous moves discussion. It is subjective I guess. However, is there anyone that doesn't think this move kicks ass? Let's vote on the exclamation! HAHA JK V 12:30, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
        • The ! after a move in chess is generally a subjective indication that the move is really good but the reason it is good is not immediately obvious. This move doesn't really qualify IMO but I'm not going to spoil the fun :-) Jeff 12:31, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
          • It is generally bad form to mark a move as either "?" or "!" DURING the game. That is saved for post-mortem analysis. No matter how good a move is in correspondance chess, you just don't add punctuation. It is akin to gloating at your opponent. It's rude. Kingpatzer 12:46, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
            • I certainly agree it's obnoxious, but didn't we start this game taunting each other? There's not much trash talking in grandmaster play either. :-) Snark 12:56, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
            • I assumed this whole thing was a joke. I agree that actually including the "!" would definitely come off as arrogant. PTWhipplebang 12:51, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
              • Rude? Arrogant? Are we or are we not Fabuloso? Let's act like it! We're playing against Ze Frank, 90% of whose comedy is based on mocking others and himself!
                • "Rf2! Sugartits!" arc
                  • I like it! How about "Rf2. Zwischenzug, Sugartits!" Snark 13:56, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
              • It's all fun and games until someone gets their eye poked out with a "!". arc
  • yeah, this destroys white's game utterly! Kingpatzer 12:38, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • I miss Ze's verbal taunts of us. Just putting his move on the page makes it feel like an afterthought. Sniff. Does Ze still love/hate us? Snark 13:06, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • We must taunt him into a reply. arc
I like "Is this the part where you kick our ass?" bobby_macrap at me
Supposedly he reads the wiki to find the move, we could always include it with the move at the top. arc
  • Before you guys get too cocky .. 25. Bxd6 Rf2! 26. g3 Qh6 27. Re1 should be evaluated. (h4 is a terrible move on Ze's part .. if he moves g3 get rid of that bishop) ßrigaderant
    • What is wrong with 27. Re1 Qxh2? Am I missing something? Wophugus
    • yeah, 27. .. Qxh2 checkmate really would suck for us . . . but that's ok we can play Qh3 and mate him in 2 instead . . . tell us Brigade, is h4 a terrible move because it's the only one that doesn't lead to a mate in 3 or less or losses Ze his Queen, or for some other reason? Kingpatzer 15:37, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
And Patz with the immediate retort! It's like watching my younger brothers fight at Thanksgiving. (sniff) bobby_macrap at me
  • I was really starting to miss the drama. This is such a relief! PTWhipplebang 15:57, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • This is GOLD!!! h4 is bad for white because it avoids checkmate. Best end it now, eh? V 16:19, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • How come Brigade isn't ruthlessly defending his comment? PTWhipplebang 16:51, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
        • Probably because he doesn't care about all the self-absorbed bitches in here (I don't mean PT, Bobbie, or Wophugus.) .. I thought the black queen was still on g5 .. honest mistake (seeing as I haven't been checking up on the game much lately) .. and there's not much time for drama when one's trying to catch up in school, but it's nice to be missed. ßrigaderant 12:28, 3 August 2006 (PDT)

Include Exclamation

  1. VOTE by MalteseFalcon 12:36, 2 August 2006 (PDT): I don't think Ze will have seen this coming. The '!' is appropriate.
  2. VOTE by AdamD 13:25, 2 August 2006 (PDT): You've gotta put the '!' on. It's all in good fun.

Exclude Exclamation

  1. VOTE by Kingpatzer 12:39, 2 August 2006 (PDT) : not subtle enough to qualify and providing valuations with moves is rude.
  2. VOTE by arc 3:54, 2 August 2006 (EST) : I think the exclamation point in and of itself deserves its own move.
  3. VOTE 209.113.182.94

Include Exclamation Sugartits

  1. VOTE by Jeff 14:09, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  2. VOTE by Snark 14:11, 2 August 2006 (PDT): I recommend "Zwischenzug, Sugartits!" Ze will have to look that up and he'll respect us. Update: Okay, here's a link.
  3. VOTE by arc 14:11, 2 August 2006 (PDT): Excalamations are always better with sugartits. The downside of Zwischenzug is I'll also have to look it up.
  4. VOTE by PTWhipplebang 14:20, 2 August 2006 (PDT): I'm changing my vote. Everyone loves Sugartits as much if not more than punctuation.
  5. VOTE by V 14:46, 2 August 2006 (PDT) : Zwischenzug, Sugartits! That makes me laugh.
  6. VOTE by Kingpatzer 15:05, 2 August 2006 (PDT) : this takes it from arrogant to damn funny. I like it! Zwischenzug, Sugartits! Maybe we can make t-shirts
  7. VOTE by bobby_macrap at me 15:44, 2 August 2006 (PDT):it wraps up our punctuation joke, ze's love of German and a current reference from 'the show' into one neat package.
  8. VOTE by Animegod 14:42, 2 August 2006 (PDT) : I had to vote for Sugartits!
  9. VOTE by Amorphus 16:56, 2 August 2006 (PDT): Looks like Ze's game is about to "Sort itself out"!(looks doubtful)
  10. VOTE by Axl 18:23, 2 August 2006 (PDT): We are long overdue for a taunt!
  11. VOTE by Marvelous 19:06, 2 August 2006 (PDT): I second the t-shirt idea.

Exclude Exclamation Sugartits (hard charger alert!)


And for those actually voting on the move...

  1. VOTE by : Please count this as a vote for me when the polls open. And someone set the board up for the rematch... Good night, Ze. Otis 11:29, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  2. VOTE by : This is my vote as well, but I don't see a forced mate. 25. ... Rf2! 26. Rg1 and white can hold it together and probably struggle through to the endgame before losing. Jeff 11:47, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  3. VOTE by bobby_macrap at me 15:42, 2 August 2006 (PDT): 15 minutes early, sorry! I've got 'stuff' to do tonight.
  4. VOTE by PTWhipplebang 16:01, 2 August 2006 (PDT): I would totally buy a "Zwischenzug, Sugartits!" t-shirt.
  5. VOTE by V 16:21, 2 August 2006 (PDT) : Sugartits!
  6. VOTE by Geedubber 16:25, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  7. VOTE by arc Rf2! Zwischenzug, sugartits to all, and to all a good night.
  8. VOTE by Animegod16:45, 2 August 2006 (PDT): Sugartits for Rf2! Yay!
  9. VOTE by Snark 16:47, 2 August 2006 (PDT): Thank God for Mel Gibson!
  10. VOTE by Amorphus 16:58, 2 August 2006 (PDT): Gonna have 100% on this one!
  11. VOTE by Thebigjc 17:05, 2 August 2006 (PDT): Ze end is here Sugartits!
  12. VOTE by JudiciousH 18:56, 2 August 2006 (PDT):
  13. VOTE by Marvelous 18:59, 2 August 2006 (PDT): Start endgame? Muahaha.
  14. VOTE by Kidnapped 19:54, 2 August 2006 (PDT): I feel so sorry for Ze's castrated knight. (Hey, that knight started on g1. He got to see a lot of the world before getting stuck in the corner. In fact, 20% of Ze's moves involved that knight. It's his MVP! :-) -

Snark )

  1. VOTE by Kingpatzer 20:40, 2 August 2006 (PDT) : yeah, but it's been a bit hobbled of late!

Discuss Ze's Responses to Rf2

g3

  • Here's what I think:
  • 26. g3 Qh6 27. h4 Qg6 28.Rf1 Bxd5
It's hard enough to guess 1 move ahead let alone 3, so I'll stop here. I'm advocating for Bxd5 rather than cxd6 because it threatens check with Bxe4 and utilizes our pin of the e4 pawn.bobby_macrap at me
  • I looked at this. It loses for white utterly and completely unless I missed something. 27. ... Qe3 is MUCH better me thinks. V 13:13, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • Yes, agreed: 27...Qe3 is the move. Snark 13:16, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
OK, I'm off the Bxd5 train...that didn't take long.bobby_macrap at me

Rg1

Likely Position? by Kidnapped
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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25. Bxd6 Rf2!

26. Rg1 Bxd5 (on board)


Likely Position 2
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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25. Bxd6 Rf2!

26. Rg1 cxd6 (on board)

  • I still like Bxd5 here:
  • 26. Rg1 Bxd5 (I edited this...said Rf1 but I think that was a typo. -Snark) thanks!
Again, this exploits the pin on e4 and probably wins the e4 pawn at least.bobby_macrap at me
  • I think cxd6 is a more prudent response to 26. Rg1. We need to keep an eye on the material and we can still play Bxd5 later. Snark 13:15, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • Look at the board by Kidnapped. 25. Bxd6 Rf2! 26. Rg1 Bxd5 This looks devastating to me (on white that is). (edit: I no longer think so. I've reversed my opinion and think this is bad.) V 13:18, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • After 26...Bxd5 then 27. Bxc7 and what is our response? If 27...Bxe4 then 28. Bxc4+ and black can resign after either ...Rf7 or ...Kh8. If 27...Qxe4 then 28. Qxe4 Bxe4 29. Bxc4+ and White is up a piece in a won position. Snark 13:22, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • Me too. Otis 13:18, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
Yeah, once he moves his queen, Bxd5 doesn't really do anything for us anymore. I'd rather use it while we can do some damage. I think he'll be too busy over the next few moves to move his bishop on d6, so that's the move I think should come later.bobby_macrap at me
  • Guys, 26. Rg1 Bxd5 is not a good move. After 27. Bxc7 our best option appears to be 27...Kh8. After something like 28. Qd1 Bxe4 29. Bf1 Qc6 30. Bxe5 Rxa2 we still have the best position but it's not nearly as good as just taking 26...cxd6 and cooling our heals for a second. Snark 13:25, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • Just adding on, there are some things that Black does have to worry about, like our Knight hanging on d7 if the Queen moves to d1, and our weak back rank, which prevents us from just moving the Knight. So there are a few things to look out for. Snark 13:27, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • I agree. Removing that center pawn isn't as good anymore. I don't like the variations that can come of it. V 13:31, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • OK, what about this? 26. Rg1 Bxd5 27. Bxc7 Bxe4 28. Qd1 Bxg2+ and it's over...isn't it?bobby_macrap at me
        • But he won't do 28. Qd1. He'll do Bxc4+ Now, we lose our rook. V 13:37, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • ahh...this is why I asked! 28. Bxc4+ does look bad. thanks, Snark (and V)bobby_macrap at me
  • So has it come down to hoping that Ze doesn't see this stuff? Or are we still safely ahead? PTWhipplebang 13:42, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • We just won't play Bxd5, and instead will just off his bishop. He'll get the next move, but we are looking pretty damn solid at that point. Arc
  • I was sort of thinking 26. Rg1 Bxd5 27. Bxc7 Nf6 28. Qd1 (or Bxe5) Bxe4 - any problems here?Otis 13:44, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
    • We'd still be winning but only by a little. If we play cxd6 White is going to give up gobs of material to avoid mate. Snark 13:46, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • By the way, in your line, play 28. Qd1 Qxe4, not Bxe4. Or else he places Bxc4+ again. Snark 13:49, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
      • Yep, your right. Ok, so Bxd5 isn't looking quite as good now, especially if he decides at that point to trade queens... What's the other line? Otis 13:52, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
        • Got it, cxd6 followed by Nc5 and he's in a corner. Thanks, Snark. Otis 14:27, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • 26. Rg1 cxd6 27. Qd1 seems most probable, but Nc1 is maybe a possibility. 26. Rg1 cxd6 27. Nc1 Bxd5 28. Nc1 Bxd5 29. Bh5 and we exchange a few pieces 29. .. Bxg6 hxg6 30. exd5 Nc5 . . . honestly though, if I'm white, in a real game I'm resigning shortly after cxd6 . . . Kingpatzer 15:09, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
  • So much excitement! Y'all are like kids in a SugarTits box! After 26.Rg1 Bxd5? is a blunder. 27.Bxc7, and we barely have any advantage. No, 26...cxd6 is clear. After that Ze has nothing "good." 27.Qd1 looks comparatively best, but after 27...Nc5, his position is on the verge of total collapse. -Axl
  • Quite the hornets' nest I seem to have stirred up, I must apologize for not having seen the subsequent check from 27. Bxc4+. I guess a better course would follow as Axl said, 26. Rg1 cxd6 27. Qd1 Nc5. Maybe 28. Bf3? Bh5? No sense thinking so far ahead for a couple days now, I guess. Kidnapped 19:52, 2 August 2006 (PDT)
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