Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move4

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Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---

Voting closed

Well done fabulosos, we picked the move Nf6.

Final Tally

4. .. Nf6 - 18 Votes
4. .. Nc6 - 2 Votes
4. .. dxe6 - 2 Votes

Strategy Discussion

Current board position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_26.png
Image:chess_zhor_26.png
Last move: 4. Nf3 Nf6

Contents


Our Pawn at d5 is still being threatened by the pawn at c4, but it is protected by pawn at e6. The c3 knight no longer threatens d5, as our b4 Bishop has it pinned to his king. Here is a fun chess opening explorer.


4. Nf3 Nf6


Speculative board position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
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Speculative Move: 4. Nf3 Nf6
  • I do know something about chess and I say Nf6. It developes another piece to the center, provides additional support for our pawn at d5, and allows us the option of a kingside castle. ~ Mec
  • This is the best move... it gives us more options than displacing our pawn if he takes it (d5)
  • Nf6 also keeps us in opening theory, which is extremely advisable...
  • Nf6 also gives us control over e4, which is advisable as we do not want him to advance the king's pawn.
  • Nf6 is the proper move, it develops a knight, and allows us to castle Kingside eventualy. Plus, it also prevents him from further advancing on the center with 5. e4 or 5. g4 (he should have moved Bc2, but that's just him making a positional mistake, he's ours). It also protects us from the threat Bg5. ßrigaderant
  • Yes, yes, this is "the proper move", and will throw us into Nimzo-indian lines, but I was hoping for something more interesting, you set the standards high with Bb4 and now we are walking back into known territory. Ah well, this isn't a very strong counter-argument I have to admit, the recommended book move is hard to argue against... gelbitalk
  • The books don't write themselves. We can't plan moves ahead because we don't have private channels, and Ze CAN plan ahead, so unless we do unconventional things we're going to be predictable.
  • Like hell we can't plan ahead! Nf6 opens up our next possible move of Nd4. We then threaten Nxc3, threatening the queen, then if he responds with bxc3 we fork his king and rook, or if he responds with Qd2 we respond with Na2 and his queen is ours. If he responds with Qb3, I would suggest cc5. --128.61.49.42 15:51, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Bg5 still remains a threat, it just allows ze to pin the knight instead of outright attacking the queen.

Voting

  • I don't know anything about chess, but I say Nf6. Huzzah. Captainmnb
  • Mec is correct I'm for this as well. ~DFA
  • Yes, yes, this move is pleasing to me. ~wophugus
  • Unless anyone can come up with something better... Funky citrus
  • Vote++. --Lordsah 12:52, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
  • ++Vote. ~arc
  • ++Vote, love it. ~devilturnip
  • Vote - Mike
  • Ulp .. forgot to submit my vote .. been busy trying to help format this monster.  :-) ßrigaderant
  • vote - sepll cehck
  • I like this muchly. Got my vote. --128.61.49.42 15:21, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Vote - smart safe move
  • Yes, yes. It is finally time. --voodooboy 17:30, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
  • This one has my vote. ~Cassidy
  • Got my vote too. -- Pseudonym 18:54, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Vote, seems decent but conventional. --Opello 19:41, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
  • (void)InterlockedIncrement(&Vote);--SirPentor 20:46, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

4. Nf3 Nc6


Speculative board position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
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Speculative Move: 4. Nf3 Nc6
  • Another hardcharging knight move that protects our wayward bishop. This is just speculative though as it could trap our pawns from advancing and leave our bishop in closed territory. We could also put this at a6. What do you think? ~ Mec
  • Our bishop doesn't need protecting at this juncture, and this knight doesn't threaten anything (the pawn at d4 is covered by both his Nf3 Knight as well as his Queen) .. better to develop the other Knight first and prepare to castle eventually. ßrigaderant
  • Binkley likes this move, Binkley does. Binkley pitties the fool who works against this strategy. (in all honesty, I like clearing the space for the castle if needed, and also bringing the knight into play while covering the bishop). Binkley sees a couple moves until the black bishop could be threatened.

The most likely threat to the bishop is from a pawn and we aren't going to trade a pawn for a bishop so defending it is a waste of a move better spent elsewhere, I think.

  • This covers some of the squares the f3 knight is attacking (e5 and d4). There's nothing really risky about this move I don't think, it's fairly normal. Nf6 isn't bad either. We'll probably end up doing both.

Voting

  • A Vote (the other knight's a hard charger) - Binkley
  • I vote for this move. I want to threaten his weeeeee little pawn! ~pizmeyre

4. Nf3 dxe6


Speculative board position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Speculative move: 4. Nf3 dxe6
  • The gloves are OFF! A underhanded little kill that Ze can't retaliate against immediately. It also undermines his present setup which was designed around threatening d5. The pawn is not quite in the way but it restricts Ze's development on that side of the board. It also completely opens the middle, forcing both sides to reevaluate. Beyond that it doesn't advantage us. Think of it as raising the stakes.
  • We're not gaining a pawn without cost, we're losing a center pawn (by moving it to the C file), and exposing ourselves to the threat of d5. ßrigaderant
  • Yet we lose a center pawn without actually giving up the middle, as d5 is still covered. The importance of having pieces in the middle can be overstated.
  • This time I will support the slightly more odd move... The continuations here are interesting, most probably he will advance the e pawn (maybe to e4 to attack more firmly on d5), but since he has a pinned knight, we can play b5 and try to keep our pawn alive for some time and sacrifice it with reasonable positional compensation, sounds good, huh?) gelbitalk
  • Hate it. There's a reason nobody ever accepts the queen's gambit: Because it's not really a gambit, (the pawn can be retaken almost at will; holding on to it is impossible,) and it trades a center pawn for a flank pawn. Flank steak is good. Flank pawns are tough and stringy.
  • Center pawns are also tough and stringy! Attachment to the center is predictable!
  • This is still a respectable move and has been used by grandmasters in tournament play. But this leads me to formulate the Fundamental Theorem of Wiki Chess Discussion "For every bad move there exists a grandmaster who has played it (in a blitz game to shock his opponent, but that should remain unstated)." I still believe it is a good move! gelbitalk
  • I don't like it. We gain a pawn advantage but lose the center; He responds with pawn to e3, gains support for his pawn and threatens our pawn at the same time. Then we waste a move defending that pawn that we should be spending on development of the center that we just lost. And then all he needs to do is break the knight pin, and both our pawns are in danger. This move will put us on the defensive for several moves ahead, and after an aggressive move like Bb4, that's pretty silly. --128.61.49.42 15:20, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
  • I also don't like it. Not only do we lose the centre, we lose a tempo. At this point, I think that's even more serious. (If we had a GM or two on the team, I might reconsider this point, of course.) -- Pseudonym 20:54, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

Voting

  • gelbitalk: First!
  • Anonymous guy who suggested it. Eg me.


I like it. this gets my vote. To state the obvious, we are coaching him as ewell as making our move. oh well... salmancini

4. Nf3 f6

Speculative board position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
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Speculative Move: 4. Nf3 f6

this would prevent tyhe advance of hids knight to either e4 or g4. e4 would be a very storng positon for him to build an attack from. Forgedt book lines and remember the basics. control the center. There is shit there from black right now. the knoght is pinned by the bishp right now. He can attack the bishop but not move the knight without putting himself into check.

  • Yeh, well he will now be very happy to open up the center, he will play 5. cxd5 and I assume you take back 5. ... exd5 6. e3 for example, take a look at the picture:
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h1 g1 f1 e1 d1 c1 b1 a1
h2 g2 f2 e2 d2 c2 b2 a2
h3 g3 f3 e3 d3 c3 b3 a3
h4 g4 f4 e4 d4 c4 b4 a4
h5 g5 f5 e5 d5 c5 b5 a5
h6 g6 f6 e6 d6 c6 b6 a6
h7 g7 f7 e7 d7 c7 b7 a7
h8 g8 f8 e8 d8 c8 b8 a8
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Image:chess_zhor_26-flip.png
4. Nf3 f6 5. cxd5 exd5 6. e3 ...
Too much air for the King...
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h1 g1 f1 e1 d1 c1 b1 a1
h2 g2 f2 e2 d2 c2 b2 a2
h3 g3 f3 e3 d3 c3 b3 a3
h4 g4 f4 e4 d4 c4 b4 a4
h5 g5 f5 e5 d5 c5 b5 a5
h6 g6 f6 e6 d6 c6 b6 a6
h7 g7 f7 e7 d7 c7 b7 a7
h8 g8 f8 e8 d8 c8 b8 a8
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6. .. Ne7 7. Qb3 Ba5 8. Bd3
This is not looking good!


Voting


4. Nf3 Ne7


Speculative board position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Nf3 Ne7 Are you with me?


  • All I know about chess are the rules, but I think that with this move, the King gets more protection , the Queen still have room to move and nothig gets too compromised.--LaLe [ So NOT Cool] 20:12, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

Voting

Taunt Discussion

Is now here

If we're going to have the taunt voting on the same page ... how about here, like this?

Only thing i can think of: I think that all the fabulosos deserve to contribute to taunts, not just the ones discussing strategy. This IS a team effort, who'se to say that they're not helping with the psych game, even if they aren't contributing tactics? May be better for us to keep it separate, these debates get rather heated and confusing for the non-chess afficianado who can still talk smack to Ze.
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