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	Ze	Us	consensus
1	d4	d5	56%
2	c4	e6	66%
3	Nc3	Bb4	48%
4	Nf3	Nf6	82%
5	e3	Ne4	56%
6	Qc2	f5	62%
7	Bd3	O-O	83%
8	O-O	b6	61%
9	a3	Bxc3	57%
10	bxc3	Ba6	65%
11	Ne5	Nd7	37%
12	Nc6	Qf6	89%
13	f3	Nd6	100%
14	e4	dxc4	100%
15	Be2	e5	100%
16	d5	Nb8	55%
17	Nb4	Bb7	93%
18	a4	a5	100%
19	Na2	Nd7	50%
20	Ba3	Rac8	50%
21	Rab1	Qg5	60%
22	Kh1	fxe4	61%
23	fxe4	Qg6	89%
24	Rxf8+	Rxf8	100%
25	Bxd6	Rf2	100%
26	Rg1	cxd6	100%
27	Qd1	Nf6	73%
28	Bf3	Nxe4	93%
29	Nc1	Rd2	53%
30	Bxe4	Rxd1	100%
31	Bxg6	Rxg1+	100%
32	Kxg1	hxg6	100%
33	Resign	---

Voting Closed

Ne4 wins by a narrow margin.

Final Tally

5. .. O-O - 3 Votes

5. .. Ne4 - 19 Votes

5. .. c5 - 12 Votes

Strategy Discussion

Contents 1 Voting Closed 2 Strategy Discussion 2.1 Sugggested Moves 2.2 Speculative Move - O-O (Castle Kingside) 2.2.1 Voting 2.3 Speculative Move - Ne4 2.3.1 Voting 2.4 c5 2.4.1 Voting 2.5 Further Speculation

Our Pawn at d5 is still being threatened by the pawn at c4, but it is protected by pawn at e6. The c3 knight no longer threatens d5, as our b4 Bishop has it pinned to his king.

Ze moved e3, defending a pawn that isn't being attacked, and his Knight on c3 is vulnerable to attack. Here is a fun chess opening explorer - although note that you cannot explore past move 3.

Housekeeping note: When you see a {{clear}} that indicates the end of the section. Posting below it may make it difficult to see your comment as it will be a line of text very far away from the main body. medwards^talk

Another note: When voting, could we use # instead of * ? It would make it easier to count the votes. This is really requested out of pure laziness, I know. mayorcj^SR 12:55, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

• So was my clear note, I was just getting tired of moving votes! I'm assuming # creates numbered bullet points rather than the anonymous ones we have now? medwards^talk
• I think '#' automagically adjusts depending on the number of entries, so even if a vote is later moved/removed/changed, the numbering will still properly reflect. ßrigade^rant

Sugggested Moves

Suggested Move Castle Kingside: 5. e3 O-O

Suggested Move Hard Charging: 5. e3 Ne4

Suggested Move Late Tarrasch Defense: 5. e3 c5

Speculative Move - O-O (Castle Kingside)

Historically, castling in this position works better for black than pushing the knight... although, personally, I'm still in favor of pushing the knight.

Voting

1. I vanna vote fur dis one, eh Nerfquark
2. Yes, respect history :) and this is solid! gelbi^talk
3. I vote for castling. Lael 20:50, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

Speculative Move - Ne4

Watch out! Hard-chargers have challanged this move! Defend it our crush it on this page!

• I've already played out 3 separate lines (and contested your Qc2 line) in order to justify this move. Please be certain to read the ENTIRE page. ßrigade^rant
  • Yes, excellent work! And the Qc2 variation will probably lead to very similar structure to the "book" move, so I'm adding the picture here... gelbi^talk

• I regret saying that... compared to the move below this move is very weak... complete the game for the queen I dare you! --gelbi^talk 19:29, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

Watch out! N to e4 and escalating pressure!

• I don't feel this is the case. How is pressure escalating? It is not. It leaves us with semi-developed peices and a bishop in danger. mayorcj^SR

• this places us at the offensive allowing us to develop more in later moves. --Funky citrus 11:57, 29 June 2006 (PDT)
  • How can you go on the offensive when all the troops havn't arrived yet? mayorcj^SR
    • Instead of thinking it as "going on the offensive" read it moreso as 'securing an advanced post' .. we're not looking to mate him yet, just keep him under our thumb.

• If we're trying to bleed him, this secures a knight-for-knight trade. Otherwise, it's pressure.

• what if he doesn't buy into the pressure? what if he ignores it and continues to develop his peices?

• THIS is the move .. he'll be forced to respond defensively or suffer devastating losses. Anyone that knows chess theory, please just agree with me instead of specifically stating what our next move will be .. in case Ze's surfing the wiki .. :-) I know this might be asking a bit, but just TRUST ME on this one. Please. It'll hurt him .. BAD. ßrigade^rant 12:11, 29 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Someone very intelligently pointed out that playing out a game with intent to entrap the opponent isn't the soundest strategy. What's to stop Ze from playing out 2-3 turns out on his own, seeing the trap, and wasting our move? medwards^talk
    • It's not a 'trap' per se .. it's a potential move. And this move in and of itself is an excellent move. It places our Knight at an advanced post, and THREATENS several possible 'traps' .. forcing Ze to respond defensively and allowing us to further develop at his expense. He can't threaten our Knight easily (his own Knight blocks a pawn advance) .. it's not just a fancy 'trap,' it's sound chess tactical theory.
      • OK, lets forget Ze's spying: What about 6. Bd3 ??? medwards^talk
        • Ok .. 6. Bd3, Nxc3 7. bxc3 (or we have a free knight), Bxc3+ (winning his Rook) ßrigade^rant
        • Ze?
    • Restored, was originally attached to the first vote: he moves the knight you get his queen
      • Uh... His queen isn't capture-able by our knight in this scenario. medwards^talk
        • No, but this does set up a possible queen/rook fork a couple moves in.
          • I still don't see where this goes. He has to move his king for that fork not to be a pointless waste of our knight. I honestly don't see the short-term goal of this move, and no one is talking about how it benefits us in the long term. medwards^talk
            • There is no fork, we will lose the knight in a trade and be left with a dismal position! mayorcj^SR
              • This move is not good at all. This premature attack is easy to counter and forfeits defense. ~NaMorris
                • Eh, the knight is still in a move to have quite an affect on defense. I haven't voted yet because to some extent I believe this way, but I have seen no other propositions that I like better. -arc

If you are reading this it is not too late to change your move! Sports racers, if you voted to push in for the attack because "everyone was doing it" now is your time to move against the grain! Sure this will put pressure but where do we go from there? Our best bet is C5, and every chess analyzer I have checked has agreed with this. No where could I find a suggestion of pushing the knight in. Sure its a cool idea to fork the rook and queen, but right now its just not feasable! be patient and develop more peices, then put on the pressure. THIS is NOT the move. mayorcj^SR

• Ignore the king-side queen/rook fork. It's not important. This move is good for Nxc3. Imagine it forward from there. There are only three real responses open to Ze after Nxc3; one of them leads to losing a rook, one leads to losing his queen, the other is fairly neutral. I outlined this in the discussion of last game if you care to view (but Ze, you're not allowed). --128.61.49.42 15:00, 29 June 2006 (PDT)
• Now,