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I'm tired.

Why do I do all this stuff? I don't know. Silly.

I know! I'm going to keep a wiki log (kilog? klog? klog is good since I'm from the NL and never ever wore them of course).

The klog

  • (countdown) There's 25 transcripts that have yet to be made. Whee. - Disso 08:46, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

  • I inserted the template in all transcript pages, and added all tags. So now you can search all tags from within the wiki. Why would you want to? Think of something awesome.
  • There's more than thirty transcript pages which are otherwise still empty. Oof. As very few of you know, I don't transcribe the straight news segments from the show anymore, except if they're very short and/or lead into an extended Ze bit. Feel free to finish those segments on your own. (anyone? ... ) I've got a vague plan that we could still pick up the old idea to make a big ol' cross-reference page to collect all the memes themes and injokes that are, were and ever will be; and that's why I'll probably continue making transcripts of past shows for a while.
  • I'm thinking about what Gelbi said somewhere, if it wouldn't be easier for people to do some of the stuff we do here on a board. More and more I think she/he's right. (Ha, on another board where I lurk people use 'ze' and 'hir' as gender-neutral pronouns. That doesn't work here.) I think it would be neat to have more of a feeling of conversation because on a board there's threads and topics and semi-linear discussions, instead of staring at a bunch of anonymous edits in a page as I often do here, thinking "who are these people and what do they want?" That also ties in to Yves' vague misgivings about the atmosphere of this place. I catch myself writing in a Sportsracerish tone of voice a lot of the time, and frankly I'm getting tired of it, which is another reason to start this klog. I might just email Ze and make a suggestion to open a 'the show' section on his board, let him think about it and decide. 05:13, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
UPDATE: Gelbi didn't advocate turning it all into a board, just thought people might be more used to boards than wikis, sorry Gelbi. But the idea stuck with me anyway. 06:40, 27 June 2006 (PDT)


COMMENT: (Are you allowed to comment on a klog?) I personally like the wiki as there is soo much room for creativity and geekery. Howevery, wiki discussion are indeed very difficult and messy, but I still like it... And hopefully, we will eventually grow up from the over-use of sportracer vocabulary. See you at kloggercon! --Gelbitalk 06:56, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
You are invited to comment on the klog! Hey I like the wiki too, I wouldn't dream of getting rid of it. It just seems to me that like, for instance, let's say the stakes are decided and if we lose we're going to buy Ze some walnuts or whatever, organizing the collection of the money would be much easier if we have a community that's built on the kind of conversation we have on a board, than the kind we have here. Again, I like this place a lot, but there's around 10-15 very frequent contributors, a lot of constructive drive-bys and on the other hand vandals, and an unknown number of readers. It doesn't feel cohesive to me, yet. Dunno if it should, but I know that I sort of miss it. - Disso 07:13, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
  • What would the Wiki look like if people didn't make it look pretty and revert back to pages that were vandalized? It might be a nice experiment for a week to see what develops. The language of this wiki leads to organization with headers, horizontal rules, bullets, and indentations. But what if changes by vandals stuck for longer than they do now? What would happen? Yves 11:59, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
  • I imagine it would look like a run-down neighborhood, trash and dog shit on the ground, gang tags and obscenities on the walls, sad and neglected. I live in a neighborhood like that, and what I found is that what it looks like doesn't matter very much, what matters is the people who live there. Conversely, the wiki tends to look ordered because it's built out of basic html, there aren't many other tools to build whatever fits the organism than headers rules and bullets. But again, that doesn't matter very much, what matters is the people who have conversations here. - Disso 16:25, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
  • I never thought of it that way. Yves 08:13, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
COMMENT: What *is* a klog? Is it a wiki function? Or more of a convention of how to use it? (Update: oh I get it; "klog", as in "blog". Never mind.) FWIW, I *much* prefer boards to wikis for conversation. That said, I doubt that I would contribute much due to a lack of time. Same thing with the transcripts - I would write more of them myself if I had time. That said, could you add a standard peice of text each time you skip a news section so I can search it? I like the news to be there and would be happy to (slowly) fill them in. --Sford 08:54, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
I think board threads would be a good complement to all the Talk pages that we constantly have to maintain, disentangle, consolidate, move and restructure now. We could have discussions in a thread, and would be able to glean the emerging consensus on the next move, or distill a list of options for the stakes or whatever, and could then move that pre-digested info to a Talk page or directly to a Vote page. Does that make sense? It shouldn't mean more work, I think it might mean less work and also more clarity, or anyway the few frequent users here now wouldn't have to dig in quite so deeply to extract that clarity. - Disso 09:32, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
Oh right, the transcripts. Right now I write "--- ($topic)" whenever I skip a segment (that's not searchable at the mo), I'll change that to "--- tbx ($topic)" from now on. "tbx" (to be expanded) should be searchable, right? - Disso 16:30, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
Blah. Tbx isn't searchable. xnews is though, so I'm going to use that. Why the frig isn't tbx searchable? Blah. - Disso 05:37, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
Holy shit on Mom's shoes! Did you finish ALL the past transcripts??? You boom the wow! (Or is that wow the boom?) I gotta get to work on the xnews. --Sford 17:00, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
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