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  • Thanks for the encouragement about Suggested Moves. I unflipped the boards to make them the same as the others, but if you're animate about having the flip i understand. mayorcjSR
    • I have a hard-on for flipped boards. But I'll keep them out of the overview and just provide both POVs in any moves I suggest. medwardstalk
      • Sounds fine, I prefer flipped boards too, I honestly don't like the direction of a knight-pawn game -- i'm really hoping they don't decide to strike prematurely.mayorcjSR
        • By god do I agree with that. I feel like Ze is whipping up random community-based challenges just to prove where wiki's will fail! medwardstalk
          • Hey, I'm going to possibly be without 'net access at 9pm each night, which translates to midnight on the east coast. I'm not sure if i'm going to re-subscribe to this public wireless network they have here, anyway, I'm wondering if you can carry the banner // email moves to ze each night? mayorcjSR 23:02, 1 July 2006 (PDT)
            • To be honest, I don't know if I'm the right man. I'm really mostly active in the midday because I'm at work (yes, the irony is not lost on me). I'd be super-unreliable for late evening work and would probably forget the deadline. This Sunday is already bad: I'm eating dinner with my parents in our local bedroom community, then getting back into to town for a West Wing marathon. medwardstalk

Move5 Random Talk

  • It does seem awfully premature to be going in, even though I do think it's a valid offensive that cannot be easily counterattacked. We have very little useful pieces out of the end row at this point, and that worries me. I'm not exactly a fan of that late tarrasch defense either though. -arc
    • I wasn't a fan of the original proposal to go with the Tarrasch Defense, and I'm still not hugely enthusiastic about my own suggestion. I'm just desperately throwing something out there that isn't hard-charging in because I think castling is a waste of a turn that should be spent on more build-up.
      • I agree completely on the castling. There is no reason to do it this early in the game. We have little pieces out, and there is no clearly defined attack vector. Check out my response to your Bd3 suggestion, btw. I think that line of play works out very well for us, though I could certainly be missing something. The cop out move would be to bring the night forward or something, but that's a pretty weak play. I like the proposed knight move the most so far, though I think it's too early to be voting on it. -arc

On Hiding Stuff From Ze

  • I actually removed my suggestion from the wiki, even though this is just as public, it's less likely to click on. _Just_ in case ze is looking, though I don't think he'd be cheating, otherwise he'd just use a computer. My response to bd3 was "NxC3 seems like a pretty legitimate response, does it not?"
  1. Regarding removing discussion from the wiki. This is called security through obscurity in the IT industry. It's the idea that if you simply avoid being transparent, you can avoid system intrusions. However, it's ultimately flawed, especially here; Ze probably has access to the database backend and a full array of Wiki Editor tools. Finally, I hate the idea of having to 'hide' discussion from Ze, ultimately we're going to avoid talking about the consequences of a move in the hopes he'll fall into some trap and instead he's going to independently figure it out and kick us in the balls. Or even WORSE: We start making bad moves because people are afraid to talk about what the next few moves will look like. medwardstalk
  • Eh, I really don't want to get into a security through obscurity discussion, as that would last weeks. I think in this case it's legitimate. If ze wants to go through more effort that just clicking on the main page that's fine with me. However, just as many "protected" by obscurity, they tend to let the actual goal of security fall through the cracks. Similarly, I think I'll agree with you that this has the potential to cause bad moves by hiding things from everyone, including ze. Gelbi's post below is also a strong position on why we should be talking about the moves, good call. -arc
  1. (copied in from the Chess talk page) Maybe a serious explanation as to why we take this concern so lightly... Unless you have a say 5 minutes time constraint, you don't win by trapping the opponent. You win by doing a deeper analysis at each move so that you are more likely to become aware of favorable deviations from previously analysed lines before you opponent. If we would put up a detailed analysis here and Ze would just follow with what we think is the best response from the wiki, he would be at a clear disadvantage. --Gelbitalk 19:32, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

Ze's Motives

  • I actually removed my suggestion from the wiki, even though this is just as public, it's less likely to click on. _Just_ in case ze is looking, though I don't think he'd be cheating, otherwise he'd just use a computer. My response to bd3 was "NxC3 seems like a pretty legitimate response, does it not?"
  1. I only started watching The Show about 2 weeks ago (Fabuloso Friday-related news on Slashdot) so I can't say stuff like "I wouldn't put it past Ze to..." however.. I will anyways. I wouldn't put it past Ze to be using a chess computer to determine his moves to show how community-based approaches can degenerate to mob-rule (the negative kind). Some kind of meta-social commentary. (disclaimer: I'm a big supporter of wikis in general as knowledge bases) medwardstalk
  • I think it would be poor meta-social commentary. You are pitting a chess program against a group of people who may or may not know anything about chess, what exactly does that say? Now, if you were pitting a chess program against a group of people who were all grandmasters, that would be a different story. The former could exemplify the results of everyone who knows nothing about say, darfur, to be posting in wikipedia opinions that they believe to be true. This is a well known flaw of the wiki system, and is nothing new. The latter would be a surer determination of how mob rule is flawed, as all individually stand out in the field of chess, but together fail. The most impressive demonstration of that would be, however, if a novice chess player beat the grandmasters, not a chess program. -arc
  • It would say whatever someone wanted it to say. You could paint the outcome in a negative light even if it is an outlier or a poor example. Wikipedia is excellent but that doesn't shield it from easy potshots that play well to uneducated audiences.
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