Fabuloso Chess/ArenaRoom1

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Contents 1 The Game - Brigade V. Kingpatzer 1.1 Move History - Bd6 Game 1.2 Move History - Bxc3 Game 1.3 Player Comments 1.4 Observer Comments Welcomed

The Game - Brigade V. Kingpatzer

Move History - Bd6 Game c5 b6 a3 Bd6 cxd5 Nxc3 bxc3 exd5 c4 c6 cxd5 cxd5 a4 Qe7 a5 bxa5 Qa4 Na6 Qxa5 Nb4 Ba3 Be6 Ne5 Nxd3 Bxd6	Bd6 - Start Position Last Move: 21. Bxd6
Move History - Bxc3 Game c5 b6 a3 Bxc3 bxc3 Ba6 cxd5 Bxd3 Qxd3 exd5 c4 Nc6 Bb2 Na5 cxd5 Qxd5 Ne5 Rfe8 Qc2 c5 f3 cxd4 fxe4 Qxe5 exd5 Qxe4 Rac1 g6	Bxc3 - Start Position Last Move: 21. Rac1 g6

Player Comments

• Aight .. I'll play white against Bxd3 if you play white against Bc6 .. and we'll see what develops. ßrigade^rant 10:00, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
• sounds good Kingpatzer 10:17, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
• Don't forget to update the board headings with the move.  :-) ßrigade^rant
• I'm a ludite! Be glad I can figure out how to sign my name :) But I'll try! Kingpatzer 10:28, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
• You're doing fine .. no worries. ßrigade^rant 10:50, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
• here's where it gets interesting. In the Bd6 version I'm tempted to play the intermediate move of Bd2 so that my rooks are connected, but I don't think there's any long term advantage so the captuer here is just as good. In the Bxn version I think the line with Qd6 instead of Nc6 is also worth looking at. Kingpatzer 10:53, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
• We have time .. we're flying through this pretty quickly .. move submission is Sunday .. we can always bring it back after we've come to a conclusion. ßrigade^rant
• unfortunately, I have furniture to build ... have a couple of beds for my kids in the workshop that I've promised the wife I'd finish for ages now . .. Kingpatzer 11:08, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
• oh ... strategy comment, I don't see how black is going to have long term success with that isolated and blocked d-pawn and the advanced f pawn in Bd6 line. This is the position I see as a long term disadvantage(not immediately losing but a huge negative) but worse, I see black has being weak on both the a2-g8 and the a3-f8 diagonals in this line. In the BxN line, the same weakness is there, but white can't exploit it nearly so easily. In the Bxc3 line I just don't see a good plan for white from here Kingpatzer 11:10, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

• a5 push shows the weakness in black's pawn structure i think. Kingpatzer 11:20, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
• I disagree .. it'll be a handle to pry apart white's position .. watch (he's all alone with plenty of pieces to support his advance. Meanwhile .. things are beginning to look grim for black on the other board ... ßrigade^rant
• really, where? in all seriousness, I see an even game on the Bxn board and I see great attack lines on the Bd6 board. Black can't protect both the a2-g8 and the a3-f8 diagonals on that board, and that advantage will be decissive long term. But it starts from black's poor pawn position that is forced early in that variation. Kingpatzer 11:32, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

• I think your first post on BxN is right on .. it's just solid. Like you said "best of the exchange variations" Kingpatzer 11:48, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I appreciate that .. but I think maintaining our bishop is better than trading it off .. if we settle on exchanging it I'm in agreement. Truth be told, if both games play out even, then I'll advocate personal preference and admit that they're both good moves .. but I'm still not sold on the exchange with the knight .. as evidenced by white's aggresive play (and see where we end up) ..

• Until exd I think white has played the BxN variation very well, it's just that for every option open to white in that line that I can see, black can maintain equality. Black is winning now, but that's because exd was a mistake. with Bx it's an even game. On the flip side, white is winning the Bxd6 game and has been since 10. cxd5 precisely because the pawn structure gives white so much latitude but doesn't give black many choices. white has targets and lines there Kingpatzer 12:14, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

in all honesty, both of these games are all very natural moves with the exception of Qa4, that's a little counter-intuitive, but it's not hard to find if you're looking to own the diagonals. Kingpatzer 11:53, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

and again, it's not decissive, but it seems to me that black is working really hard in the Bd6 game to stay afloat.

• I still think that after THIS move black's game is worse below than above .. watch how it plays out. ßrigade^rant

• white's going to a worse pawn structure heading to hte endgame .. i just don't see whatever it is you see here the bishop is only slight compensation. it's an even game. Kingpatzer 12:04, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
• exd is a blunder, you need to take with a bishop to maintain equality. Kingpatzer 12:09, 8 July 2006 (PDT)
• Capitalize on it then .. bishop covers d5, isolated center pawn and your Knight is stranded and inactive .. play it out .. and you have to admit that white's bishop is stronger than black's Knight (pawns on both sides of the board in the endgame favors bishops).ßrigade^rant

• all things being equal that's true. The problem with most club players is that they rarely take into account what isn't equal. white has an isolated pawn and black is playing with a 2-1 pawn advantage on the queen side. Those two factors make the bishop v knight battle moot. Kingpatzer 12:20, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

• on the Bd6 board your bishop is already on d6, I assume you mean Bxa3 and I'm adusting the board accordingly if htat's wrong, please re-move Kingpatzer 12:17, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

• sorry. i'm having problems iwth the other board, I knocked it back a move (I realized I didn't play it out how I had planned to .. I keep getting up also .. (same boat as you) ßrigade^rant

• no worries. i'm having problems iwth the other board, keep looking at moves and then remaking them .. i'm sticking with g6 now .... I need another chess board :) Kingpatzer 12:29, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

Observer Comments Welcomed