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	Ze	Us	consensus
1	d4	d5	56%
2	c4	e6	66%
3	Nc3	Bb4	48%
4	Nf3	Nf6	82%
5	e3	Ne4	56%
6	Qc2	f5	62%
7	Bd3	O-O	83%
8	O-O	b6	61%
9	a3	Bxc3	57%
10	bxc3	Ba6	65%
11	Ne5	Nd7	37%
12	Nc6	Qf6	89%
13	f3	Nd6	100%
14	e4	dxc4	100%
15	Be2	e5	100%
16	d5	Nb8	55%
17	Nb4	Bb7	93%
18	a4	a5	100%
19	Na2	Nd7	50%
20	Ba3	Rac8	50%
21	Rab1	Qg5	60%
22	Kh1	fxe4	61%
23	fxe4	Qg6	89%
24	Rxf8+	Rxf8	100%
25	Bxd6	Rf2	100%
26	Rg1	cxd6	100%
27	Qd1	Nf6	73%
28	Bf3	Nxe4	93%
29	Nc1	Rd2	53%
30	Bxe4	Rxd1	100%
31	Bxg6	Rxg1+	100%
32	Kxg1	hxg6	100%
33	Resign	---

NOTICE ZE ACCEPTS OUR OFFER! PLAY MOVE 16 OVER! MOVE 16 IS NOW d5! PLEASE GO TO Move 16 - Redeux

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Strategy Discussion

Contents 1 NOTICE ZE ACCEPTS OUR OFFER! PLAY MOVE 16 OVER! MOVE 16 IS NOW d5! PLEASE GO TO Move 16 - Redeux 1.1 Voting Instructions 2 Strategy Discussion 2.1 If you want to discuss our move if we DO revert, go to: Move 16 - Redeux 2.2 Offer To Go Back A Move 2.3 Play On 3 Suggested Move Summary 3.1 Bb7 3.1.1 VOTING 3.2 Bc8 3.3 Bb5

• It seems like we have to do something to save our bishop and prevent the eventual fork of our knight and queen. PTWhipplebang 10:59, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

• I don't think we should allow him the "out" of saying that if he hadn't made a typo he would have won. I think it's important that we let him make the move he thought was the best move. Even though he is saying plan on - I think we should revet back so that we play out what he considers his best course...

• Wrote that before the show and still think it: "As far as I am concerned His Mighty Duckness could, if he somehow got something mixed up (it is pretty hot these days), take back the move and do the 16th move he wanted to make" ; We should keep playing from 16. d5 --Oeny 11:05, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

• I think we should revert to his intended move, just my $.02 Kingpatzer 11:12, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • didn't his intended move sorta suck though? Geedubber 11:28, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
    • true. I think this is a better line for him than d5, but I want to be as fair to him as possible before we bury him with our awesome chessiness. Kingpatzer 13:19, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

• I think he should have been more careful if he didn't want to make a mistake. We already gave him a chance to take the move back, and he said "play on." PTWhipplebang 11:17, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

• I'd vote for going back a move. Though I don't see him as being in any better shape with the d5 move...Otis 11:18, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
• Whether we decide to go back or not, I think we should decide on our response to Nb4.PTWhipplebang 11:32, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
• Agreed. Otis 11:36, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

Fork the game. Provide a move to play on and a move for the reverted game then allow him to pick bitBender

• I think that's a bad idea. It's one thing to give him a choice between his moves, it's something completely different to give him a choice between *our* moves. PTWhipplebang 11:50, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Eh, both of our moves will be awesome, quit being such a stickler. :) - arc
    • Sorry...got carried away. PTWhipplebang 12:39, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
• Shouldn't this be decided by the L.O.A.? - DomArch
• I was confused about Ze's move from the start, because he didn't announce it in the video, as usual. Insead, he opted for a cryptic message which could be interpreted as a typo, an impossible move, incorrect notation, or a criticism of our last move. If you examine the links and the punctuation, the only strict way to interpret "fabulosos -- d to e5" is "hey guys, my move is d pawn takes e5." Typos like that are unacceptably vague. If he publishes it so prominently, it constitutes him lifting his internet "hand" off the virtual "piece." When he says "play on," I think he means it, and I agree. Let's just play on and not confuse ourselves with a redo. On the other hand, maybe I'm just being a hard charger. 12.219.219.167 13:13, 20 July 2006 (PDT)MJTisMe23
  • Except he didn't say "d to e5," he said "pawn to e5," which is a little bit more ambiguous. PTWhipplebang 13:28, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Right, my mistake, I was quoting from memory at that point. As you say, it makes it seem even more like a taunt, like he didn't make a move, or something else entirely. he shouldn't be so careless, and I think he recognizes that by saying "play on." MJTisMe23 13:34, 20 July 2006 (PDT)MJTisMe23
      • I half agree with you, but I think it's fair to at least offer him the chance to take it back. I don't think we explicitly did that before. PTWhipplebang 13:40, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

If you want to discuss our move if we DO revert, go to: Move 16 - Redeux

Offer To Go Back A Move

1. VOTE by Otis 11:24, 20 July 2006 (PDT) -- The gesture of making the offer to go back a move is in the spirit of a friendly game, imho. The only question I have is if there is a quick way to resolve the issue. Or would we have to wait until tomorrow for Ze's response? Perhaps an email directly to Ze with the offer to go back a move is the most efficient route?

1. VOTE let's give a response to this move but offer to revert to d5 if he wishes Kingpatzer 11:41, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
2. VOTE by PTWhipplebang 11:43, 20 July 2006 (PDT): I'm changing my vote. I think this makes sense as long as we're prepared for the scenario that he turns down our offer.
3. VOTE I think it is the right thing to do, especially since he gave us a pass. Agreed we should continue deliberating on Nb4. arc 2:47, 20 July 2006 (EST)
4. VOTE by Oeny 11:47, 20 July 2006 (PDT): Agreed to Kingpatzer's proposal
5. VOTE by Vandal: 12:09, July 2006 (PDT): I think this sounds grand.
6. VOTE by Jes ter23: It's only fair.
7. VOTE by bobbie_mac^{rap at me} 12:18, 20 July 2006 (PDT): yeah, give him a break. he's just learning the game. : )
8. VOTE by christian 13:40, 20 July 2006 (PDT): The stand up thing to do. Plus it shows we're the bigger man (and/or woman).
9. VOTE by Sal Mancini seems like the classy thing to do. Although I would not offer if he didn't let us slide on missing the move (last week?)
10. VOTE by V : I think we should vote for a move, but let him decide tomorrow which line he wants to go. This line is forced anyhow. After that, we play on as normal.
11. VOTE by Jeff 15:59, 20 July 2006 (PDT): I don't think he'll want to bother going back, but it doesn't hurt to offer.

Play On

1. VOTE by MJTisMe23 13:15, 20 July 2006 (PDT): for the reasons given above
2. VOTE by Wgolds47: I think Ze would have suggested that, or at least communicated his mistake hours earlier..it is gentlemanly to offer but probably a waste of time
3. VOTE by Max: Ze did the cyber equivalent of taking his hand off the piece when he posted without double-checking his move. I think he recognizes that and wants us to play on.

Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position Suggested Move: Bb7	Suggested Position Suggested Move: Bc8	Suggested Position Suggested Move: Bb5
Suggested Position Suggested Move: UPDATE THIS

Bb7

Move our bishop to safety. Geedubber 11:22, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

• In addition to moving the bishop out of danger, I like the added pressure this move puts on the center. Otis 11:42, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
• continuation of our previous analysis. The bishop has done it's job in restraining the center and can now go back to the a8-h1 diagonal where it serves us a bit better Kingpatzer 11:43, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
• I like this better than Bb5 for the simple reason that if white plays f4 then Bxe4 is possible Kingpatzer 11:52, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
• I like this better because it puts more umph on E4 - which seems to be pretty prime territory right now - although - I would someone to analyze pushing the bishop all the way back for the eventual attack of g2 with a check trap.

VOTING

1. VOTE by Otis 11:54, 20 July 2006 (PDT): Another early vote, but I see this as the best move - blacks game continues to open up while white becomes more and more restricted. Good work, fabulosos, this has been a lot of fun to watch!
2. VOTE by Jeff 16:00, 20 July 2006 (PDT): Clearly the best move for Black.
3. VOTE by Geedubber 16:09, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
4. VOTE by PTWhipplebang 16:47, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
5. VOTE by bobbie_mac^{rap at me} 20:02, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

Bc8

For the sake of arguement and options - I think we should explore this line. sepllcehck

• I just am not sure what to explore . .. Bc8 18. f4 is just bad for us. What do you envision here? Kingpatzer 13:16, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

I don't know either - I just wanted to put something forward to prevent unanimous rule. And as for f4. It is bad for us but I don't think it would be the end of the world. I'm just throwing ideas out.

Bb5

Bishop to b5 voids the thread from the knight, but keeps the c4 pawn protected from the e2 bishop. (Yes, I see the knights protecting the pawn too, but I think this one might be a more aggressive play than Bc7.) - ecd 15:28, 20 Jul 2006 (EDT)

• Did you mean Bb5? Be5 isn't possible from our current position. PTWhipplebang 15:25, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
• Yep. Corrected. Also, moot as per 16 redux. - ecd 00:16, 21 Jul 2006 (EDT)