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Final Edit Policy
We can't just have Ze grab whatever version is sitting there at a pre-set time, because people could simply put crap up there. I say he should be final editor, but the rule is that he doesn't put in any content he didn't get from the script. Meaning he can cut, go to earlier drafts if he wants, etc. (Someone has to, people keep putting unfunniness not on the main page, and taking away the funny.) --anon contributor
- =:agree:=: out of booze and stuck in a tent "but" people love ugly where there's no winning only losing --psychic fanblade
Getting things under control
I would like to do some structural changes. Obviously we have different views and well Wiki pages over 30k become a bit tedious to edit. So here's the idea, let the main page focus more on higher level issues, like the ordering and picking of scripts. It can contain placeholders with links to the individual script that are edited separately. Once we reach a consensus on something, we move it to the main page. What do you think? --Gelbi 12:44, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
I did this for the S-s-something for the comments and I think it works... Tell me to stop, or I will continue with two more sections --Gelbi 13:04, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- This seems to work. It also helps focus the discussion, and makes it a lot easier to work on different versions of the same segment. --AaronStJ 14:13, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
Suggestions for cutting this down
Trimming it down is important but I don't see a really democratic way of doing it. Eventually it will just boil down to who is doing the most editing. It seems that content is disappearing when people restructure and as far as I know - we aren't supposted to be deleting stuf - YET.
As far as guidelines go - I think the show should suck. I think the whole point of this isn't to make the perfect show - but to make a funny Variety Show with crappy inside jokes. We could really use a reduction in the fevered ego department and try to stick to having fun. Why do we have to any real news or even follow any format. It could be just an absurd video of Ze in a pink spandex scuba costume playing Yankee Doodle with his nostrils. (sepll Cehck)
Cut the Starbucks Product Placement section. explanation is tagged in the current script.
- Yes and I moved it to this page (see below), I will link to it from the main page... Each script should have a link... Maybe each script should have its own page and then it would have its own talk page. --Gelbi 08:15, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
I love the opening through the multiple "I'm a huge douchebag" lines. The rest of the douche gags I think already got done by ze better when he was in France. I'd vote for cutting all of it from multiple douchebag lines to "Are the new viewers gone yet?"
- I agree, this is a good place to trim the script. I'd want to keep the "Listen, can I call you back? I just got out of the douche." joke, though. But I think we should leave it for now... AaronStJ 16:25, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- One of the staples of the "Are the new users gone?" question is that it's the last thing ze says before launching into the show proper. Could the "just got out of the douche" line perhaps be the stinger/freeze frame line at the end of the show? That would tie the whole thing back to the beginning. Bobbie mac 13:25, 7 June 2006 (EST)
- Rethinking this, I like the "Are the old viewers gone?" joke at the end. If you really love the "just got out of the douche" line, maybe it could come before the "Are the new viewers gone yet?" questions, which is the traditional end to ze's quirkier starting segments. Bobbie mac 13:34, 7 June 2006 (EST)
Sorry, I don't think the douchebag stuff is quite in the spirit of the show, and becomes a bit 'obvious'. I did an alternative opening where Ze gets made to do other stupid stuff.
I don't really like the "parting shot" idea, not because it's not clever, but because that's more in keeping with the user comments, not with something Ze does/would do himself. Besides, at the risk of being called a Hard Charger, I always thought the "First!" gag was kinda lame.
- Check out the 'first!' joke in the 's-s-s-somethin from the comments' section... that may actually be a better place in which to comment on it.
- I actually rather liked the 'First!' parting shot, it can be said in so many ways; Hysterical Shout-out (imitating noobies), Monotone in black and white (yeah, another one), Conspiratory Whisper (could have all sorts of meanings), Tired drone (oh, god, not another one. look at what they're making me say). It's a cute inside-joke. --CeruleanNinja
- ze did a whole tiny rap on the 'first' comments just a couple of weeks ago. This seems more like the ongoing argument between the viewers than something for the show. Bobbie mac 16:40 7 June 2006 (EST)
- I actually rather liked the 'First!' parting shot, it can be said in so many ways; Hysterical Shout-out (imitating noobies), Monotone in black and white (yeah, another one), Conspiratory Whisper (could have all sorts of meanings), Tired drone (oh, god, not another one. look at what they're making me say). It's a cute inside-joke. --CeruleanNinja
The current script, while decent, has too many jokes Ze has already made. We should aim for something reminiscent of Ze's style without being merely a rehash of old material.
Start thinking like 6th graders. I think ze should open the show sitting on the toilet; only showing him from the shoulders up, but giving the illusion that he is on the toilet doing his business.(struggling)"Goooooood MORNING sportsracers!" (big smile look of ahhh) then flash quickly to his regulare spot in front of the computer. "Good morning sports racers it's Fabuloso Friday...!" then something about some governmental agency giving the tax payers a turd (or play on the word turd). IMO for a guy who spliced a series of burps to open his vlog this is closer to his style. Plus HE dared me!
- Whilst toilet humour is, like 'teh funneh', defecating 'live' isn't. The shot that opens the show now works for the simple reason that the dignified repose is in direct contrast to the poopy jokes later. Cutting from one poo to another poo, significantly takes away from the comedic effect. --CeruleanNinja
That is if the script, as it now stands, remains intact. If this thing is finished then let's move on to other things.
- Schamaun, let's move on. Let's put it up to vote 'Should we cut [insert section]' / 'Is [insert section title] fine/needs more work'? (hooray for democracy) Let's get on with polishing, already! --CeruleanNinja
The s-s-s-something sections could use one or two cherry picked from each...say one coments flavor, and then mix it up with a bible one. I am currently at a loss for a segway or lead in, but perhaps making the coments lead into the bible would help the sections flow a bit better.Rooksarii 10:34, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
Sorry to disagree with you, Ninja, but I wouldn't read the "parting shot" multiple ways; to me, it just screams 'hysterical poster," which should be satirized more pointedly in other ways (a la the first post in Something from the Comments).
- Aw, ok then. Ask the people, I'll follow. --CeruleanNinja
As for cherring-picking from both, the problem with that is that, as it currently stands, the Something from the Bible sketch (and its been pointed out by other readers here) is just not that funny.
put it up for a vote? - leave it in the hands of a hard charger with a proxy? thought I heard this was a republic not a democracy. now go look in the mirror and call yourself douch bag five times ;)
- The S-s-s-something from the comments page is evolving well, we can really pick the best elements from there. :) I'll third the storage of the 'Bible' section away, till next time. --CeruleanNinja
I second that, CNinja :)
Gay Marriage
this is very unlike Ze, more like Chandler Bing or something -- it almost begs for some background laughter! -?
- I disagree. I can hear him saying it. The slippery slope thing is common, and the getting kinda sidetracked is common, and contradicting himself for comedic effect is not uncommon. AaronStJ 15:51, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- Besides this is less Chandler Bing and more Ze getting confused with the script. It's as if it's a running editing process in his brain, like on Wiki. --CeruleanNinja
- But then he should lash out at us, the wiki, or the Bobo twins. --Gelbi 16:36, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- I don't disagree with the concept, the punchline is just badly delivered! -?
- Besides this is less Chandler Bing and more Ze getting confused with the script. It's as if it's a running editing process in his brain, like on Wiki. --CeruleanNinja
- Ze: Wait, where was I going with this?
- [Cut to close up of Ze's eye]
- Ze: Luckily, on the internet, anybody can watch virtually anyone do anything any time.
- with
- Ze: Or the internet because some day you might accidentally read the word "Vlogger" --Maus 17:14, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- Yeah, I like the last suggestion... I was thinking in the line of hinting at the slippery slope and the Sorites paradox, by asking "how many grains of information do you need to form a heap of knowledge?", but I can't get this to work, so I think vlogger thing is the way. --Gelbi 18:05, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- I like that grains of information line. That should go in the intro somewhere.Yves 12:39, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- with
Someone edited the line to keep the joke and place the blame squarely on us. I think it's fixed. --AaronStJ 18:47, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
What happened to the bedazzling the livestock line? That was awesome. i can't seem to find it in the older versions, but would someone please put it back?!!!! I almost squirted milk out my eyes when i read it.
Asshole Babies Section
Does anyone else think that some of the baby photos in the Asshole babies section are inappropriate? I mean the one of the dolls dressed in military gear is brilliant, but the one of the baby with big teeth seems to be just making fun of people with deformities, which Ze never does.
- I think some of the images need to be trimmed down, or put into a more comedic context, both here and in the Closing section.Yves 12:42, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- Yeah, some user just uploaded a ton of images, and I think they definitely need to be trimmed down. Most of them aren't funny, and don't really make sense. If we do nothing but show images, we never get to see Ze. --AaronStJ 14:14, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
SOME ANIMALS ARE JUST MORE EQUAL
What is your problems? People are trying to contribute, tossing around ideas, inspiring others. You on the other hand have hijack this whole project like it belonged to you alone. You continue to trash other people's ideas, insult them, delete their stuff, and arbitrarily hide what you've moved from sight, and with what authority? Why are you being such a dick and a hard charger? In my opinion you are ruining this for the whole community. You have certainly ruined it for me. Smells and tastes like http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/animalfarm/
Starbucks Product Placement
Somebody wrote on the main page: I suggest cutting this whole segment. The Coffee/ Iraq connection doesn't really make sense, and the Starbucks cuts are almost exactly the same as the "Starbucks: it makes me have to shit" sequence Ze did a little while ago. Plus Coca-Coca Blak? Ralph Nader? These are more rehashes of old material
- I wrote/edited a chunk of it, but I'm game to cut it. Seems like we should do something with product placement, and something with the 'caffeine/open-minded' thing, but maybe not together and maybe not for this show... Hokie Mokie
- I really liked the Coke Blak reference - it wasn't a rehash, it was a reference, original, relevant, and funny. I say put it back. And add a spit take. --bodog_formerly_byslexic 17:17, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
I think we should blame fabuloso friday on starbucks. Since ze drinks so much coffee and is now letting us do the show
The current line "Bobo Twins" doesn't work anymore. I'm pretty sure it was in reference to the puppet image of ze that use to appear right before the line (which would make sense, since the Bobo twins seem to love making ze look silly). I added some images to the puppet line to help the "orc/warrior" reference and get a dig in at current White House pupp...errr...press sec. Tony Snow. : )
Dye Ze's Hair
I recently saw something in the script about Ze's hair being dyed purple. It has since been removed from the script. I think having him dye his hair will certainly fit into the "i dare you" plea from Ze. It will also relate very well to the constant comments about his hairstyle(s). I think his hair should be dyed pink, though, so that it's something else gay that he likes.
- I agree that we should at least attemp to get him to dye his hair. He can always chicken out with the spray. --AaronStJ 18:48, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
Even crazier would be to have him actually shave and comb his hair. Okay, it doesn't sound crazy, but it's a most normal thing that Ze doesn't do.
- For the love of goodness! Leave the locks alone. (Although I agree with the dye idea, Pink being the operational colour)... --CeruleanNinja
I don't care about the color, but it's easy to get some temporary color spray and I think his hair would look cool some other color. So this is a vote for putting that back in.
Moustache
I don't know if he needs to dye his hair, but it seems we should take the opportunity to dress him up: Mustasch, underwear as a hat, draw cat wiskers, duckie pox, if he's willing shave his eye browns...
- You know, they don't always grow back.
- Moustache! That's what we need. I can get one at the costume store on 11th and 3rd ave and deliver it to him tomorrow. It would be great to specify that he wears a moustache for 3-4 sections, but never mentions it. Solamente continuity gags!
World Cup
The world cup article was edited by someone to "what everyone except americans call football". I changed it back to an american view that I find more in tune with the Show... If you are heavily offended comment here!
- Despite the bias of the line "what Europeans think is Football" is hilarous and I think more in character. Ze likes to make fun of Europe (even if he doesn't really mean it) --AaronStJ 19:45, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- Guh, football (soccer) isn't vital enough to be commented upon. Perhaps, in the future, when there is something worthy mentioned in the Media...? --CeruleanNinja
- Oh, I think you guys will notice it (the US is also competing) even if today CNN is mainly concerned with Ronaldo's girlfriend not posing nude; the World Cup is BIG and will be noticed even in the US. --Gelbi 05:56, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- Who is the hard charger that changes this text to "except americans". This is only fun if we make fun of Europe, it's called irony, god damn it! Also, the longer formulation "the world cup for the sport" even if more correct, I feel is less effective. But I don't feel as strongly about that, but don't go editing this to "everyone except americans" without giving a good reason here!! --Gelbi 05:56, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- How it reads now, "The World Cup of what Europeans think is Football," doesn't address two key issues: "What is a World Cup" and "What is Football." Neither is a difficult question, but spoken quickly, that line is likely to leave some viewers in the dust. Especially Americans who don't pay much attention to a sport that we don't dominate. By saying "The World Cup for the sport Europeans think is Football," not only identifies Football as s sport, but forces the viewer to associate "World Cup" with sports, thus making the synapses required to make this joke funny more likely to be fired.
- Thanks for the explanation, I think you are right, considering Ze's speed, you are even more right! --Gelbi 07:19, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- How it reads now, "The World Cup of what Europeans think is Football," doesn't address two key issues: "What is a World Cup" and "What is Football." Neither is a difficult question, but spoken quickly, that line is likely to leave some viewers in the dust. Especially Americans who don't pay much attention to a sport that we don't dominate. By saying "The World Cup for the sport Europeans think is Football," not only identifies Football as s sport, but forces the viewer to associate "World Cup" with sports, thus making the synapses required to make this joke funny more likely to be fired.
- Any intelligent viewer will expect the "Ball Handling" joke, and I think it's funnier if Ze simply laughs at his clever innuendo than actually repeating it again.
- This is also right of course, great job! --Gelbi 07:19, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
Is this section really necessary? Less sports, more comedy, I say.
English As She is Spoke
This doesn't seem up to the other sections. We should cut it, given the overall length. User:HokieMokie
- I agree, this section is kind of lame. It's languished for a while and hasn't really hit it's stride. I'd say it's first on the chopping block come Thursday. --AaronStJ 19:48, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- Yup - lame. cut it. Can't easily write Ze's semi-improvisational style here.
Even worse is the fact that most English words ending in -us are not actually pluralized like that. It's a common misconception. 'Cactuses' is really more correct than 'Cacti'. --AaronStJ 20:08, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- Get rid of the sucker
It seems like a "are the new viewers gone yet", maybe next week? --Gelbi 20:26, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- Seconded, let's plant it till next week. I always wanted to find out more about Cacti. --CeruleanNinja
- Thirded. Hokie Mokie
- Fourtheded :) Rooksarii 10:41, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- Yes, I agree. Bobbie mac 16:27 7 June 2006 (EST)
- Fourtheded :) Rooksarii 10:41, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- Thirded. Hokie Mokie
Parting Shot
This seems like something that belongs in the reader comments, and not something Ze is a part of. If you guys still need to cut stuff out, this should go. Also, its not that funny. --emmanuel75.18.116.20 20:23, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- Yes, I think "are the old viewers gone yet" is a much classier way to end it. --Gelbi 20:28, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- However, now this section has improved, the T-Shirt is new and makes quite a difference... or I just didn't notice it. Well, all the more reason not to prematurely rule out sections!!! --Gelbi 07:43, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
I just moved that "are the old viewers gone yet" piece to the end of the first segment... I thought it'd be funnier in the place where it would normally appear in the show. No hurt feelings if it gets moved back, of couse.
- I vote for "Are the old viewers gone yet?" to appear at the end of the show. It's a great twist to the new viewer joke and carries the implication that we've done such a crappy job we've run everyone off. Which...maybe we have. : ) Bobbie mac 13:32, 7 June 2006 (EST)
Timeline?
How bout adding a second by second timeline to the script? The current version seems ridiculously long.
- cuts will be made at the last minute, that's the easy part
Maybe at least give an idea for how long a shot/piece of dialogue should last, even guessing at seconds. Rooksarii 10:43, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
Working together
I have to work with others?
- Yes, we have to work together, otherwise the Bobo twins will wind up writing the whole thing.
Editing style
The important thing to remember is Ze's editing style - quick cuts, lots of zoom-level changes, occasional slow-mo... most shots are in the 10-seconds-or-less range.
- Call me crazy, but why not get creative with the filming? Here we have the reins to the show, and all we want to do is mimic what was shown before? Do what *you* want to do!
- I kinda agree, kinda not... the idea is to write ZE's show. This is what Ze's show is like. You could change it completely, but then it's not really The Show. Know what ah mean? --[LOA] bodog_formerly_byslexic 17:23, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
Dirty Space News
I love the dirty space news segment ze does, but shouldn't this be something current and, well...dirty? I'm not following the solar flare angle.
I proposed the three armed baby [1], which is very much in the news and well the third arm, which has been succesfully operated away could have been quite handy... the picture at least is a bit *dirty* ... I know it's immature, unsophisticated and a bit cruel... not really Ze's style, but maybe he could make it work. Besides, the operation was successful, so it's not that cruel :)
- Hmm, I don't agree with making 'fun' of the kid, it's giving off Victorian Freak-Show vibes. --CeruleanNinja
Did he REALLY say HANDy?
I'm also not following the long intro with the cornflakes. DNS is usually some tidbit of real space news with a lot of sexual innuendo. I think we should stick with that. "Jupiter blowing" seems to be working out. Maybe we'll luck into something even dirtier this week.
See here for some current space news [2] And here [3] for a fair number of amusing comments about it (Just look for anything marked 5: Funny). For the "dirty space" angle I'm particularly fond of " (Quote from article) 'a youngster of a storm only six years old. Compared to the Great Red Spot, Red Jr. is half-sized, able to swallow Earth merely once, but it blows just as hard as its older cousin.' I'm not sure what interplanetary law is, but over here, we call that 'statutory rape'. "
Progress
I really like how everything's coming together, but the dadaist inside me really hopes that someone edits it at the last minute to be nothing but three minutes of Ze saying "boners". --Maus 14:18, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- But now that you've said it, it wouldn't be dadaist any more to do it. --Sford 14:48, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- Yeah, my inner dadaist knows that and is pretending not to care. --Maus 17:09, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
- If you want it to reflect something dada it's not too late. First you would have to finish the project or all segments, then cut everything up, toss it in a bag, shake, then randomly pick segments out in one, two, three, four, five second segments. Line them up in the order picked and hit play.
Too many people poking at the guy, this isn't a voodoo doll. Use the game theory.
Give an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters and they will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare
- Typing Monkeys Don't Write Shakespeare
- Neither does Ze.
then you aren't paying attention
Fred Durst
invite fred durst to cohost? talk about his early childhood?
- Fred Durst? FIRST!
Radical edit suggestions
Personally I would cut S-s-s-something from the Bible. It shows up some zany weird stuff in the Old Testament, sure, but isn't snappy enough. Takes too long to get nowhere.
The World Cup section is also weak. Which is a shame as Fabuloso Friday will coincide with the start of the tournament. Someone seriously needs to kick this up a notch or lose it. (The Cole/Beckham pic has potential but the direct comment on it doesn't seem to be Ze's style IMHO.)
- The direct comment is currently an explanation asking for someone gifted to do something about it, I think it's a too good picture to just discard... I just got an idea... --Gelbi 06:05, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
Lose these two sections and the show's a lot tighter, methinks. Mr malaise 03:02, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
on topic: ADD "US troops accused of new murders in Iraq " http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060606/pl_afp/iraq
rewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewriterewrite
This script needs to be more biting.
ze should “blame” sports racers for putting this show together and for the opening shots. [flashes of bush and cheney blaming looking guilty] Then he should say, “they made me say that” then he should say (reading script, stilted) "I think you are all (pause) hard charging douch bags (?)” ze looks up, pouts, wide eyes, almost crying, blaming “SEE they made me say that!” shows script - flash (whispering) “but you know I really love you, I love you all... like a kitten loves milk.” “In the news…”
- Look, how do you make it more biting? We are obviously trying to make it as biting and awesome as possible. It's not that easy to just make it more biting... So if Ze should blame sport racers, then please add some to the script. There are some of it already scattered accross it. Then flashes of bush and cheeney, at least find cool pics and link them, maybe somebody will use them. And you are more than welcome to open a new section in the script, where other people can help improve it. --Gelbi 07:50, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
OK this is what I think might work. I would be interested in taking everything that has been offered, and may I suggest the person who moved all the ideas that were located under the article page put them back, then everyone interested have at it. Write new scripts with all the materials now available. Then set a time line to post all the new or reworked scripts. Then after those are posted have at it again, polish them up. Submit several to ze and let him choose. I can't figure out how this could be completed, unless there are some limits set or a time line given, but maybe I missed that part. IOW, when is the paper for this class due?
- The ideas were moved to Brainstorming because the Wiki was getting too slow. Your plans seem a bit too perfectionistic. I think things are turning up quite okay and it's not too late for different scripts!!! --Gelbi 08:39, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
This whole script thing was much better yesterday (Tuesday around 6pm). This is a case of too many moron cooks" taking over the edit process. Does anyone have the script from yesterday saved? It had nuance. The people who've edited it since took all the good stuff out. It'd be good to have the drafts posted so we can compare the new to the old.
- Wiki has everything saved. Ever. Click on the history tabon the article. -AaronStJ 10:10, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
ze? can we get an extension till Monday? Could be Mondo Monday.... Pleeeeeeeease!
It's hard to see this getting whipped into shape for Friday.
- Bah. If you ask me, until Friday is too long. Too much time for the Hard Chargers to notice and screw things up. --AaronStJ 10:10, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- It's really not THAT bad... I suggest we put the removal of some sections (already suggested above) up to vote, THEN concentrate on improving the ones that remain. How about that, peeps? --CeruleanNinja
- Honestly there is some great stuff coming out here. Trimming and tightening up the transitions and exactly WHAT Ze should do expression, voice and camera wise seem to be the only major things left. We have a wellspring of ideas and media to work with.Rooksarii 10:46, 7 June 2006 (PDT)
- It's really not THAT bad... I suggest we put the removal of some sections (already suggested above) up to vote, THEN concentrate on improving the ones that remain. How about that, peeps? --CeruleanNinja
Monkeys, dancing
Since this is an experiment in infinite monkey theory, it would only only be fitting to start the show with "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"
-/Entropy Stew/-
Ze covers himself entirely in peanut butter
NOT. LETTING. THIS. DIE.
- And jelly?
Honey, do honey.
AAAA
Why are only two people running this thing?
- Don't you mean ruining?Yves 16:36, 7 June 2006 (PDT)