Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move12
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| Ze | Us | consensus | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | d4 | d5 | 56% |
| 2 | c4 | e6 | 66% |
| 3 | Nc3 | Bb4 | 48% |
| 4 | Nf3 | Nf6 | 82% |
| 5 | e3 | Ne4 | 56% |
| 6 | Qc2 | f5 | 62% |
| 7 | Bd3 | O-O | 83% |
| 8 | O-O | b6 | 61% |
| 9 | a3 | Bxc3 | 57% |
| 10 | bxc3 | Ba6 | 65% |
| 11 | Ne5 | Nd7 | 37% |
| 12 | Nc6 | Qf6 | 89% |
| 13 | f3 | Nd6 | 100% |
| 14 | e4 | dxc4 | 100% |
| 15 | Be2 | e5 | 100% |
| 16 | d5 | Nb8 | 55% |
| 17 | Nb4 | Bb7 | 93% |
| 18 | a4 | a5 | 100% |
| 19 | Na2 | Nd7 | 50% |
| 20 | Ba3 | Rac8 | 50% |
| 21 | Rab1 | Qg5 | 60% |
| 22 | Kh1 | fxe4 | 61% |
| 23 | fxe4 | Qg6 | 89% |
| 24 | Rxf8+ | Rxf8 | 100% |
| 25 | Bxd6 | Rf2 | 100% |
| 26 | Rg1 | cxd6 | 100% |
| 27 | Qd1 | Nf6 | 73% |
| 28 | Bf3 | Nxe4 | 93% |
| 29 | Nc1 | Rd2 | 53% |
| 30 | Bxe4 | Rxd1 | 100% |
| 31 | Bxg6 | Rxg1+ | 100% |
| 32 | Kxg1 | hxg6 | 100% |
| 33 | Resign | --- |
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Please take the time to familiarize yourself with some common middlegame tactics as well.
Also, please don't be too hesitant to suggest your own move in this section. Just use * to begin a line and add your idea, even if you aren't familiar with notation, or don't feel comfortable updating the boards/suggestions yourself, there are plenty of us that will be more than willing to set them up for you (and keep everything organized) ßrigaderant
- Argh! Fabulosos! Did we discuss this situation as a possible response to our last move? Jes5199 11:32, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
- nope. Why? Well, cause it's a far less than optimal move for Ze. There are multiple good responses here, all of which allow us to NOT lose the pawn that Ze's correct move would have won for him. Kingpatzer 12:23, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
So we cant stop the knight from taking the queen, so we must move the queen (or offer her as a sacrifice to appease the league of awesomeness). We can move her along that back row, or along the h4-d8 diagonal. Two of the possible seven positions are equal to sacrificing the queen. The five possible positions that dont involve giving the queen away are c8,e8,f6,g5,h4. Those are our choices, fabulosos. We need to be acting, not just responding. If he is going to invest two moves to take our bishop, what are we going to to between now and then to make the most of it? -AnonHC
Suggested Move Summary
Just a note, we need a move that does two things, saves our queen, and then look at what might happen if ze moved Nb4 on his next move, gasp, our bishop would be threatened, well, the only save move then would be to retreat it back to b7 or b8. Hmm... Danger, Danger Will Robinson! mayorcjSR
Qf6
Just throwing it out there for group dissection. Exerts pressure on diagonal, covers e7(13. Ne7+....) and saves Queen for now.
- appears best of possible responses for black. White can try things like Qa4, f3, Rd1, Be2 etc., but all in all, he's tossed away a great oportunity. This is a simple, natural developing move that keeps the focus of the game on those center pawns, incrases the defense of our f pawn, and simply doesn't have a good response for white. Best continuation for white is probably something like 31. f3 Nd6 14. e4. I like this move. Kingpatzer 12:30, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
- OK, that's all well and good, but i think this is a fine position for white to be in. What if his next move was Nb4? Then we respond with one of 2 things, I would think. Either Bb7 or Bc8, OR d5xc4. If we chose the latter, then Ze would probably respond by Nb4xb6. We would then play c4xd3. He could then capture d3 with his queen, leaving our knight threatened. Our knight would be forced to retreat to g5. Anyway, just a thought. mayorcjSR 12:44, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
- if he's goign to actually go after the bishop with Nb4 I see it going as: 13. Nb4 Bxc4 14. Bxc4 dxc4 15. Qa4 Qf7 and now black is in a very good position indeed! we can play e5 next move and take care of that e-pawn, protect the advanced c pawn, and in general we're ready to rumble. In the meanwhile, white's knight is kind of out of place, he's lost his good bishop and his bad bishop isn't going anywhere soon! Kingpatzer 12:52, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
- OK, that's all well and good, but i think this is a fine position for white to be in. What if his next move was Nb4? Then we respond with one of 2 things, I would think. Either Bb7 or Bc8, OR d5xc4. If we chose the latter, then Ze would probably respond by Nb4xb6. We would then play c4xd3. He could then capture d3 with his queen, leaving our knight threatened. Our knight would be forced to retreat to g5. Anyway, just a thought. mayorcjSR 12:44, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
- I think this is a balanced move that puts our queen at the business end of our strategy. If he wants to put his knight on the edge opposite our king (effectively removing it from play), and allow us to develop a very strong center-board position thats fine. I would certainly trade a pawn for a pawn and a bishop. This isnt necessarily throwing the queen to the wolves, but it is keeping focussed on the idea that we want to put him in checkmate. -AnonHC