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	Ze	Us	consensus
1	d4	d5	56%
2	c4	e6	66%
3	Nc3	Bb4	48%
4	Nf3	Nf6	82%
5	e3	Ne4	56%
6	Qc2	f5	62%
7	Bd3	O-O	83%
8	O-O	b6	61%
9	a3	Bxc3	57%
10	bxc3	Ba6	65%
11	Ne5	Nd7	37%
12	Nc6	Qf6	89%
13	f3	Nd6	100%
14	e4	dxc4	100%
15	Be2	e5	100%
16	d5	Nb8	55%
17	Nb4	Bb7	93%
18	a4	a5	100%
19	Na2	Nd7	50%
20	Ba3	Rac8	50%
21	Rab1	Qg5	60%
22	Kh1	fxe4	61%
23	fxe4	Qg6	89%
24	Rxf8+	Rxf8	100%
25	Bxd6	Rf2	100%
26	Rg1	cxd6	100%
27	Qd1	Nf6	73%
28	Bf3	Nxe4	93%
29	Nc1	Rd2	53%
30	Bxe4	Rxd1	100%
31	Bxg6	Rxg1+	100%
32	Kxg1	hxg6	100%
33	Resign	---

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Contents 1 Voting CLOSED Until 7pm 2 Suggested Move Summary 2.1 Qe8 2.2 Qf6

Please take the time to familiarize yourself with some common middlegame tactics as well.

Also, please don't be too hesitant to suggest your own move in this section. Just use * to begin a line and add your idea, even if you aren't familiar with notation, or don't feel comfortable updating the boards/suggestions yourself, there are plenty of us that will be more than willing to set them up for you (and keep everything organized) ßrigade^rant

• Argh! Fabulosos! Did we discuss this situation as a possible response to our last move? Jes5199 11:32, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
  • nope. Why? Well, cause it's a far less than optimal move for Ze. There are multiple good responses here, all of which allow us to NOT lose the pawn that Ze's correct move would have won for him. Kingpatzer 12:23, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

So we cant stop the knight from taking the queen, so we must move the queen (or offer her as a sacrifice to appease the league of awesomeness). We can move her along that back row, or along the h4-d8 diagonal. Two of the possible seven positions are equal to sacrificing the queen. The five possible positions that dont involve giving the queen away are c8,e8,f6,g5,h4. Those are our choices, fabulosos. We need to be acting, not just responding. If he is going to invest two moves to take our bishop, what are we going to to between now and then to make the most of it? -AnonHC

Is Ze's next move c4xd5 (assuming we move our queen). I'm worse than a bad player, but that's what I would have done already if I were Ze. --Neal 12:55, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

Suggested Move Summary

Just a note, we need a move that does two things, saves our queen, and then look at what might happen if ze moved Nb4 on his next move, gasp, our bishop would be threatened, well, the only save move then would be to retreat it back to b7 or b8. Hmm... Danger, Danger Will Robinson! mayorcj^SR

• can take the pawn on c4 now as the exchange will favor black at this point Kingpatzer 12:58, 13 July 2006 (PDT)

Suggested Position Suggested Move: 12. Nc6 Qf6

Suggested Position Suggested Move: Qe8

Suggested Position Suggested Move: Nc6 Qh4

Qe8

• I didn't suggest it .. but I like it better than moving our queen out. If we stick her out and committing her to one side of the board or another .. this maintains our maneuverability, AND we have a potential double attack against his Knight (any move by our Knight automagically is a 'discovered attack' against his unprotected Knight .. I can't see any follow-up moves that he can make that will jeapordise our position. It's more subtle defensive move that MAY have an offensive advantage later in the game. ßrigade^rant

For example: If ze moves g5 on his NEXT move, we could Nf6, threatening BOTH his knight (with our Queen) and his g4 pawn (with our knight move that uncovered our queen) .. think of it as the opposite of a pin (from earlier in the game) .. now bear in mind that that was JUST AN EXAMPLE .. it doesn't win anything (Ne5 covers g5 and retreats his knight safely) .. but I was giving it as an example of its potential for those non-chess afficianados.

• One other note: If Ze moves Qa4 to threaten our knight, we have to move it or lose it (our queen can't cover our knight from h4, for example) .. this risk is irrelevant, as our queen is still covering our knight from this position. ßrigade^rant

Qf6

Just throwing it out there for group dissection. Exerts pressure on diagonal, covers e7(13. Ne7+....) and saves Queen for now.

• appears best of possible responses for black. White can try things like Qa4, f3, Rd1, Be2 etc., but all in all, he's tossed away a great oportunity. This is a simple, natural developing move that keeps the focus of the game on those center pawns, incrases the defense of our f pawn, and simply doesn't have a good response for white. Best continuation for white is probably something like 31. f3 Nd6 14. e4. I like this move. Kingpatzer 12:30, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
  • OK, that's all well and good, but i think this is a fine position for white to be in. What if his next move was Nb4? Then we respond with one of 2 things, I would think. Either Bb7 or Bc8, OR d5xc4. If we chose the latter, then Ze would probably respond by Nb4xb6. We would then play c4xd3. He could then capture d3 with his queen, leaving our knight threatened. Our knight would be forced to retreat to g5. Anyway, just a thought. mayorcj^SR 12:44, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
    • if he's goign to actually go after the bishop with Nb4 I see it going as: 13. Nb4 Bxc4 14. Bxc4 dxc4 15. Qa4 Qf7 and now black is in a very good position indeed! we can play e5 next move and take care of that e-pawn, protect the advanced c pawn, and in general we're ready to rumble. In the meanwhile, white's knight is kind of out of place, he's lost his good bishop and his bad bishop isn't going anywhere soon! Kingpatzer 12:52, 13 July 2006 (PDT)
• I think this is a balanced move that puts our queen at the business end of our strategy. If he wants to put his knight on the edge opposite our king (effectively removing it from play), and allow us to develop a very strong center-board position thats fine. I would certainly trade a pawn for a pawn and a bishop. This isnt necessarily throwing the queen to the wolves, but it is keeping focussed on the idea that we want to put him in checkmate. -AnonHC
  • way to early to be thinking about checkmate. But all our moves up to now have focused on equalizing development and restraining white's center, and this does continue both of those themes very nicely. Kingpatzer 12:54, 13 July 2006 (PDT)