Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move15
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| Ze | Us | consensus | |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | d4 | d5 | 56% |
| 2 | c4 | e6 | 66% |
| 3 | Nc3 | Bb4 | 48% |
| 4 | Nf3 | Nf6 | 82% |
| 5 | e3 | Ne4 | 56% |
| 6 | Qc2 | f5 | 62% |
| 7 | Bd3 | O-O | 83% |
| 8 | O-O | b6 | 61% |
| 9 | a3 | Bxc3 | 57% |
| 10 | bxc3 | Ba6 | 65% |
| 11 | Ne5 | Nd7 | 37% |
| 12 | Nc6 | Qf6 | 89% |
| 13 | f3 | Nd6 | 100% |
| 14 | e4 | dxc4 | 100% |
| 15 | Be2 | e5 | 100% |
| 16 | d5 | Nb8 | 55% |
| 17 | Nb4 | Bb7 | 93% |
| 18 | a4 | a5 | 100% |
| 19 | Na2 | Nd7 | 50% |
| 20 | Ba3 | Rac8 | 50% |
| 21 | Rab1 | Qg5 | 60% |
| 22 | Kh1 | fxe4 | 61% |
| 23 | fxe4 | Qg6 | 89% |
| 24 | Rxf8+ | Rxf8 | 100% |
| 25 | Bxd6 | Rf2 | 100% |
| 26 | Rg1 | cxd6 | 100% |
| 27 | Qd1 | Nf6 | 73% |
| 28 | Bf3 | Nxe4 | 93% |
| 29 | Nc1 | Rd2 | 53% |
| 30 | Bxe4 | Rxd1 | 100% |
| 31 | Bxg6 | Rxg1+ | 100% |
| 32 | Kxg1 | hxg6 | 100% |
| 33 | Resign | --- |
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Quoted From Move 14 Discussion of this move
- 14. .. dxc4 15. Be2 e5 and white has choices of Be3, Qa2, exf5 everything else is clearly worse
- 14. .. dxc4 15. Be2 fxe4 16. fxe4 is at best equal for black but is frankly kind of scary. Our queen is under attack, the open f-file will be owned by white, and it looks like black goes defensive. I think we'd avoid this line, so ...
- 14. .. dxc4 15. Be2 Bb7 16. e5 and white appears quite solid to me. After we move the queen white will take the knight iwth the pawn, we'll take the knight with the bishop, and white will take our c pawn giving white an advanced passed pawn and a temporary material advantage. Again, I think we would do well to avoid this line
- 14. .. dxc4 15. .. Bb5 16. e5 leads to similar lines as Bb7
thus there's only really 15. to look at further
- 14. dxc4 15. Be2 e5 16. Be3 and black has a few choices Bb7, Qe6, exd4, fxe4
to avoid making this too long I'm just going to look at one choice, Bb7
- 14. .. dxc4 15. Be2 e5 16. Be3 Bb7 17. Nxe5 Nxe5 and NOW black's bishop is exherting powerfull pressure on white's center, while white's bishop is doing nothing meaningful and doesn't look like it will for some time.
- conclusion: this is a great line for black! Kingpatzer 12:09, 17 July 2006 (PDT)
Suggested Move Summary
e5
- I believe this was the course of action we planned upon after 15. Be2. PTWhipplebang 10:58, 18 July 2006 (PDT)
- What do we do when dxe5? 64.236.243.16
- Nxe5? PTWhipplebang 11:24, 18 July 2006 (PDT)
- 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17.
- 17. Nb4 Bb7 18. Nd5 Bxd5 19. exd5 Rae8 and black is very well positioned and up a pawn
- 17. Bg5 Qxg5 18. f4 Qh4 19. fxe5 Qxe4 20. Qxer Nxe4 and black is up 2 pawns
- 17. Nxe5 Qxe5 18. exf5 Qxf5 19. Qxf5 and black is up a pawn
- There is no path here that doesn't lose white at least one pawn if dxe5. Kingpatzer11:29, 18 July 2006 (PDT)
- Possible knight exchange - 15. dxe5 Nxe5 16. Nxe5 Qxe5 - Puts the queen in position to hit h2 if we had some cover. SaintPeter 11:31, 18 July 2006 (PDT)
- White's only responses that do not result in clearly losing positions to 15. e5 are Be3, Qa2, exf5 and maybe d5 or f4 (though I think f4 is a '?' move) of these I think 16. Be3 is most solid for white Kingpatzer 11:33, 18 July 2006 (PDT)