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	Ze	Us	consensus
1	d4	d5	56%
2	c4	e6	66%
3	Nc3	Bb4	48%
4	Nf3	Nf6	82%
5	e3	Ne4	56%
6	Qc2	f5	62%
7	Bd3	O-O	83%
8	O-O	b6	61%
9	a3	Bxc3	57%
10	bxc3	Ba6	65%
11	Ne5	Nd7	37%
12	Nc6	Qf6	89%
13	f3	Nd6	100%
14	e4	dxc4	100%
15	Be2	e5	100%
16	d5	Nb8	55%
17	Nb4	Bb7	93%
18	a4	a5	100%
19	Na2	Nd7	50%
20	Ba3	Rac8	50%
21	Rab1	Qg5	60%
22	Kh1	fxe4	61%
23	fxe4	Qg6	89%
24	Rxf8+	Rxf8	100%
25	Bxd6	Rf2	100%
26	Rg1	cxd6	100%
27	Qd1	Nf6	73%
28	Bf3	Nxe4	93%
29	Nc1	Rd2	53%
30	Bxe4	Rxd1	100%
31	Bxg6	Rxg1+	100%
32	Kxg1	hxg6	100%
33	Resign	---

Oops

On the main page we have a message from our ducky lovin' leader: HEY GUYS - I WANTED A PUSH NOT A TAKE... DAMMIT.

Ze -- what move did you mean to make? You can't push to e5 since our last move was e5 . . . Kingpatzer 08:58, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

• As far as I am concerned His Mighty Duckness could, if he somehow got something mixed up (it is pretty hot these days), take back the move and do the 16th move he wanted to make --Oeny 13:06, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

Voting CLOSED: Nxe5

Consensus: 95%

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Strategy Discussion

Contents 1 Oops 2 Voting CLOSED: Nxe5 2.1 Voting Instructions 3 Strategy Discussion 3.1 Are We Sure Ze's Move Was dxe5?? 3.2 You Using a Computer? 4 Suggested Move Summary 4.1 Call an invalid move and claim the win 4.2 Nxe5 4.2.1 Voting 4.3 Qf7 4.4 Qg6 4.5 Kg8 4.5.1 Voting

Are We Sure Ze's Move Was dxe5??

• His move isn't "pawn to e5". He's saying "Fabulosos -- Pawn to e5? Are you using a computer? Lame." He's questioning the source of our move to e5, concluding the source was a computer, and calling us and our move lame. I thought that was obvious, but then I saw the discussion page. Jebus.
• I'm thinking we should withhold until we know for sure. I mean dxe5 isn't possible with white's current position as someone else noted below. Animegod 21:26, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• I just watched theshow and there was no apparent move there. I see "fabulosos - pawn to e5" on the blurb for the show but that's not really proper notation. I wouldn't question it but d5 is actually a better move for White than dxe5. Should we perhaps prepare a response to d5 as well in case we are guessing wrong? If so, I vote for 16. d5 Bb7. Jeff 14:42, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• Yeah, as his stated move was a little ambiguous, perhaps we should offer him a chance to confirm which he meant (d5 or dxe5). He lifts our moves from the wiki, yes? We could just give our response to dxe5 and ask if he really meant d5 (in which case we'll discuss our response to that tomorrow)... nice for him, but we kind of owe him after that move deadline we missed. 87⁴ 14:56, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
  • On the other hand, he didn't just say "e5", he said "pawn to e5". The former is simply invalid in algebraic notation with the board as is, while the latter quite clearly says he wants to move a pawn to e5, i.e. dxe5. 87⁴ (Yes, feeling a tad scyso at the moment...) 15:00, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• I think we have no choice but to respond to what he wrote (i.e. dxe5). If he made a typo, he can let us know and we'll deal with it then. PTWhipplebang 15:49, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• There is another possibility: if Ze thought we were using a computer, he may not have counted our move (and so we forfeited our turn). In this case, e5 is a valid move. PTWhipplebang 16:35, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• Yeah, pawn to e5 isn't legal. It's like he's making a move where e5 contains no piece. The thing is we don't know if Ze considers "takes" and "to" as nitpicking or not. Well, all we can do for now is continue with the legal move of dxe5. BTW, yes people use computers on the "interweb" these days. Did the last move get submitted on time? I wasn't there and my vote got removed.
• Looking at the history of the move chart, it seems that the move didn't get updated until 4:23 this morning (PDT). I could be wrong. Although, if we had missed a move, you'd think he would have made more of an issue out of it than a little note in the synopsis... PTWhipplebang 18:57, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
  • There seems to be some kind of disconnect between the time in the signature and the time on the page history. The comment I made at 19:00 PDT is listed as 02:00 in the history. Judging by that, the move was updated in plenty of time last night. PTWhipplebang 19:43, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Indeed. I believe I updated the move sometime between 9 and 9:30 pm PDT. Jeff 20:56, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

You Using a Computer?

• Yes. I currently can't access the wiki via tin-can-on-a-string. -- Pseudonym 17:34, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• I clearly recall me and a friend once trying a tin-can-on-a-string. He said: "zis sing ish so wiki!" At least that's what I heard... Somejeff 20:56, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position Suggested Move: Nxe5

Suggested Position Suggested Move: Qf7

Suggested Position Suggested Move: Qg6

Call an invalid move and claim the win

I think it is clear that his move was invalid considering the used proper notation previously. We should not give him any wiggle room. We call an invalid move and claim the win or offer him a pass to raise his stakes. He can clarify his move but for the price of an additional FULL fabuloso show.

We have won by default and he knows this - whatever move we choose to answer he will say the opposite. He knows the notation.

• I would hate to win on a technicality, though. PTWhipplebang 16:02, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• Also, ze was nice enough to give us the "one free missed move." I feel like it's very uncool to not extend him the same grace. Keef 16:07, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I agree. This is a gentlemanly (on his part) and ladies-and-gentlemanly (on our part) game with silly taunts. We should offer our response to what we think he meant and offer him the chance to clarify. -- Pseudonym 16:28, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• If we want to be legalistic, the rules of chess in this situation would say that if he made an illegal move, we would reset the clock to his turn and he gets to move the piece declared (in this case the e4 pawn) if such a move is possible. If no such move is possible by the piece in question he could move any other piece. Frankly, I think it's far better to just ask for clarification on his move. *shrug*
  • Of course if he *did* mean dxe5, we can just continue as if nothing was wrong. PTWhipplebang 19:00, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

• As far as I am concerned His Mighty Duckness could, if he somehow got something mixed up (it is pretty hot these days), take back the move and do the 16th move he wanted to make --Oeny 13:06, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

Nxe5

Eliminates the threat to the queen and threatens his knight. PTWhipplebang 11:47, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

• So simple. No analysis needed. Geedubber 11:52, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• I don't think we have any other choice. Maybe whoever was using fritz can help us out :P - arc
• I'm a little worried, though. Does Ze see something we don't? PTWhipplebang 12:05, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
• It seems like we must do this to kill the fork on our knight and queen. bobbie_mac^{rap at me}
• Am I correct in assuming this leads to the practically forced line: 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17. Nxe5 Qxe5 ? 87⁴ 13:31, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I suppose he could do 17. Nb4 or 17. Nd4. Just moving his knight out of the way... PTWhipplebang 13:34, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I don't like the thought of his night on d4, now that you mention it. More pressure on our f pawn although it is well defended at the moment. But if he does move his night, should we think about taking the d file with A rook? Maybe push the c pawn first? I don't know just yet. I sense the game is gonna start opening up soon. V 14:04, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I think 17. Nd4 Nd3 puts Black in a pretty good position. 17. Nb4 is one of White's better responses, it makes us move the bishop and gives him time to do Nd5 or f4. After 17. Nb4 Bb7 18. f4 Bxe4 things really start to fly but Black still has the upper hand. Jeff 14:19, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
    • If he does 18. Nd5, it looks like our only response is 18. ... Bxd5 19. exd5 and we lose our bishop. PTWhipplebang 14:27, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
      • if 18. Nb4 Bb7 18. Nd5 we might want to consider Qf7 as a possible response it gives him some unpleasant choices, but I think black comes out ok in all of the lines. And some of it looks more interesting than simply trading bishop for knight. Kingpatzer 14:56, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
  • What about 16. dxe5 Nxe5 17. Nxe5 Qxe5 18. Qa4 Bb5 19. Qb4 ..., anyways I'd also vote for this move. JackH 00:31, 20 July 2006 (CEST)
• Allthough voting has allready happened I think I see a potential problem - After 16. ... Nxe5 17. Nb4 forces 17. ... Bb7 then 18. f4 forces our Knight to retreat to one of 3 squares (none has a dramatic effect on position that would help us) then 19. e5 forks our Knight with our Queen. On another note if ze puts his Knight in the centre of the board he loses it with 17 Nd4 c5. (allthough he can trade it with one of our knights by taking our f pawn) This move loses us a piece however if we don't do this move we lose a piece anyway, I think we're in a bad position. - Desert
  • (Repeating myself) 17. Nb4 Bb7 18. f4 Bxe4. Things get pretty exciting with this line but if you play through a few variations you'll see that Black comes out ahead. Jeff 21:07, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Thanks, I just woke up, thats my excuse. - Desert
• One variation which no one seems to have noticed is the clever 17. Bg5!? Qxg5 18. f4. I don't think this is any better for White than any of the other lines analyzed but it's interesting. Jeff 21:13, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

Voting

1. VOTE by Otis 13:07, 19 July 2006 (PDT): Voting early - won't be around later.
2. VOTE by Somejeff 13:44, 19 July 2006 (PDT): This moves the game forwards!
3. VOTE by Jeff 14:04, 19 July 2006 (PDT): Yay, another no-brainer. Ze is deliving his own head to us on a silver platter, and that head will be singing songs.
4. VOTE by Lurker. Just makes sense.
5. VOTE by Frogbeater. Are we completely reactive at this point?
6. VOTE by Geedubber 14:46, 19 July 2006 (PDT) : This game plays itself.
7. VOTE by PTWhipplebang 14:50, 19 July 2006 (PDT): I have a feeling things are about to get interesting.
8. VOTE by Kingpatzer 14:57, 19 July 2006 (PDT) : I love games where the obvious move is also the right move :)
9. VOTE by -87⁴ 15:02, 19 July 2006 (PDT): Oui! Oui! OUI!!!
10. VOTE by Wophugus Ze Frank: Losing so we don't have to.
11. VOTE by Arof : The best defense really is a good offense.
12. VOTE by Funky citrus 16:23, 19 July 2006 (PDT) Qui-parles francais dans le Wiki de Ze Frank?! Encroyable!
13. VOTE by Pseudonym 16:29, 19 July 2006 (PDT) : No-brainer.
14. VOTE by TtT 16:49, 19 July 2006 (PDT) : who needs a stinkin' computer anyway?
15. Vote by Towline^eh : Let's do it.
16. Vote bu 24.217.137.72 : All signs point to yes.
17. VOTE by Wgolds47: another sheep for this option
18. VOTE by V 19:31, 19 July 2006 (PDT) : O E O
19. VOTE by bobbie_mac^{rap at me} 19:33, 19 July 2006 (PDT): assume ze knows what he is doing. He'll let us know if he meant something else.
20. VOTE by Gifa. uh, der.
21. VOTE by Left Elbow of Ragnaros nerf knights imo

Qf7

Thought there might be value in retreating our queen and letting Ze's pawn have our knight since we'd lose the other knight anyway; had to draw up the board to realise that Nxe5 actually lets us trade knights, instead of simply losing one. 87⁴ 13:36, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

Qg6

Same (flawed, I believe) logic as Qf7, just a different way of retreating the queen. 87⁴ 13:37, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

• Whites knight Ne7 gets our queen, doesn't it? V 13:45, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

• Yeah. With this move we're forked.--Neal 17:02, 19 July 2006 (PDT)

Kg8

Sick of every move being 100% agreed. Throw away a turn.

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Voting

1. VOTE by Jes5199 17:45, 19 July 2006 (PDT) Vote against unanimous decisions.