Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move17

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Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---

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Strategy Discussion

Current board position (flip me)
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Last move: 17. Nb4

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  • It seems like we have to do something to save our bishop and prevent the eventual fork of our knight and queen. PTWhipplebang 10:59, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I don't think we should allow him the "out" of saying that if he hadn't made a typo he would have won. I think it's important that we let him make the move he thought was the best move. Even though he is saying plan on - I think we should revet back so that we play out what he considers his best course...
  • Wrote that before the show and still think it: "As far as I am concerned His Mighty Duckness could, if he somehow got something mixed up (it is pretty hot these days), take back the move and do the 16th move he wanted to make" ; We should keep playing from 16. d5 --Oeny 11:05, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I think we should revert to his intended move, just my $.02 Kingpatzer 11:12, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
    • didn't his intended move sorta suck though? Geedubber 11:28, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I think he should have been more careful if he didn't want to make a mistake. We already gave him a chance to take the move back, and he said "play on." PTWhipplebang 11:17, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I'd vote for going back a move. Though I don't see him as being in any better shape with the d5 move...Otis 11:18, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Whether we decide to go back or not, I think we should decide on our response to Nb4.PTWhipplebang 11:32, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Agreed. Otis 11:36, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

Fork the game. Provide a move to play on and a move for the reverted game then allow him to pick bitBender

  • I think that's a bad idea. It's one thing to give him a choice between his moves, it's something completely different to give him a choice between *our* moves. PTWhipplebang 11:50, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

Offer To Go Back A Move

  1. VOTE by Otis 11:24, 20 July 2006 (PDT) -- The gesture of making the offer to go back a move is in the spirit of a friendly game, imho. The only question I have is if there is a quick way to resolve the issue. Or would we have to wait until tomorrow for Ze's response? Perhaps an email directly to Ze with the offer to go back a move is the most efficient route?
  1. VOTE let's give a response to this move but offer to revert to d5 if he wishes Kingpatzer 11:41, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  2. VOTE by PTWhipplebang 11:43, 20 July 2006 (PDT): I'm changing my vote. I think this makes sense as long as we're prepared for the scenario that he turns down our offer.
  3. VOTE I think it is the right thing to do, especially since he gave us a pass. Agreed we should continue deliberating on Nb4. arc 2:47, 20 July 2006 (EST)
  4. VOTE by Oeny 11:47, 20 July 2006 (PDT): Agreed to Kingpatzer's proposal

Play On



Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Bb7
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: UPDATE THIS
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: UPDATE THIS





Bb7


Suggested Move: Bb7
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: 17. Nb4 Bb7

Move our bishop to safety. Geedubber 11:22, 20 July 2006 (PDT)

  • In addition to moving the bishop out of danger, I like the added pressure this move puts on the center. Otis 11:42, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • continuation of our previous analysis. The bishop has done it's job in restraining the center and can now go back to the a8-h1 diagonal where it serves us a bit better Kingpatzer 11:43, 20 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I like this better than Bb5 for the simple reason that if white plays f4 then Bxe4 is possible Kingpatzer 11:52, 20 July 2006 (PDT)