Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move19

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Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---

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Strategy Discussion

I'm worried about the following line and I'd either like someone to either demonstrate that it isnt as bad as I think it is, it could go a different way, or else suggest a move to defuse it.

19. Na2 ... 20. exf5 Nxf5 21. Bxc4 at which point our supposedly secure middle position is suddenly very tenuous

He may not play that way, but the weakness is there. He who says zonk 01:49, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

  • We could respond to exf5 with BxD5 and let him stay at f5, in which case I think our board position actually improves, or we can be suicidal and trade queens. 20.exf5 qxf5 21. qxf5 rxf5. These just came to mind, they may contain massive flaws Wophugus


Current board position (flip me)
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Last move: Na2

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Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: c6
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: fxe4
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Nd7


fxe4... aggressive, no? MikeRapin

















Nd7

This is a solid way to get our knight back out there and open up the backrow. It's also pretty boring. - arc

  • c6, followed by dxc, gives us the option to get the knight back out with Nxc6.Shadowcrash 12:06, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • It also blocks our bishop from doing anything effective, and our knight can't move forward from that position due to white's pawn at c3. - arc
  • This move may be boring but it's essential to get the Knight into a good positions before the sparks start to fly. It supports future Nc5 or Nf6 if the situation calls for it but in the mean time it can also defend the pawn on e5 which will likely soon be isolated on a half open file. Also it lets out the rook. Jeff 12:19, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I never said boring was a bad thing. :) - arc

fxe4

  • The problem that I see with this one is that he will just retake with his pawn and now we are in a queen rook skewer.Jes ter23
  • It also lets his bishop into the game. Not to blindly follow positional principles, but he's got the two bishops. Opening up the position gives him considerable compensation for his pawn, and should only be done if we have something concrete to gain by it.--Macgabhain 12:16, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I can't help but think this is the wrong move. As others have pointed out, it effectivly lets him have the f file. It is in our best interest to just hold his pawn there, where it's in the way of his bishops. We need to start moving up while we still have momentum. SaintPeter 12:18, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

c6

c6... start the pawn exchange from this end and keep our queen out of jeopardy. MalteseFalcon

  • I don't see why we are in a hurry to start the pawn exchange when Ze is a bishop up. I think it'd be better to create an opportunity for us instead of giving an opportunity to Ze. arc
    • Ze's not up a Bishop, we're up a pawn. Shadowcrash 12:07, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Yeah, but we have two knights and a bishop, and he has two bishops and a knight. At this point in the game, more pawns (and a more crowded board) tends to favour the knights.64.7.149.152 12:11, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Since you insist on being literal, we're up a pawn and he has two bishops and a knight, and us 2 knights and a bishop. I don't think that us being a pawn up means we need to obliterate the entire center for no practical purpose that I can see, other than giving Ze more mobility. - arc
  • I like this. He can either take c6, which means we can get our knight off the back row for free, or do something else, at which point we can take d5, and really mess up the center with all those supported black pawns. delta407 12:13, 25 July 2006 (PDT)
    • I still don't see it as a free move because we have to move the bishop to make her useful again. - arc
  • We want to win White's d pawn, not trade for it. Nd7 is a better move for this reason and to a lesser extend so is fxe4. Jeff 12:22, 25 July 2006 (PDT)

Na6

  • What about this move? It does the same as Nd7 in getting the knight off the back row, and it allows another place for the knight to move in the next turn.Jes ter23