Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move23

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Ze Us consensus
1 d4 d5 56%
2 c4 e6 66%
3 Nc3 Bb4 48%
4 Nf3 Nf6 82%
5 e3 Ne4 56%
6 Qc2 f5 62%
7 Bd3 O-O 83%
8 O-O b6 61%
9 a3 Bxc3 57%
10 bxc3 Ba6 65%
11 Ne5 Nd7 37%
12 Nc6 Qf6 89%
13 f3 Nd6 100%
14 e4 dxc4 100%
15 Be2 e5 100%
16 d5 Nb8 55%
17 Nb4 Bb7 93%
18 a4 a5 100%
19 Na2 Nd7 50%
20 Ba3 Rac8 50%
21 Rab1 Qg5 60%
22 Kh1 fxe4 61%
23 fxe4 Qg6 89%
24 Rxf8+ Rxf8 100%
25 Bxd6 Rf2 100%
26 Rg1 cxd6 100%
27 Qd1 Nf6 73%
28 Bf3 Nxe4 93%
29 Nc1 Rd2 53%
30 Bxe4 Rxd1 100%
31 Bxg6 Rxg1+ 100%
32 Kxg1 hxg6 100%
33 Resign ---

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Strategy Discussion

Current Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_26.png
Image:chess_zhor_26.png
Last Move: fxe4

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Please take the time to familiarize yourself with some common middlegame tactics.


Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: Rf4
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: Qg6!
Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: UPDATE THIS

















Rf4

Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Suggested Move: Rf4

Releases our knight from being pinned, attacks the e4 pawn and gives us the option to put our other rook on the open f line. TtT

  • Also looks like it allows him to hold it together a little better with 24. Bf3. I think this is squandering our initiative a bit. With 23. ... Qg6 we're threatening an immediate Bxd5 which Bf3 can't defend against. Jeff 10:42, 31 July 2006 (PDT)


Qg6


Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: 23. ... Qg6


Specultive Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
23. ... Qg6
24. Bxd6 cxd6
25. Rxf8+ Rxf8
26. Bxc4 Nc5


Specultive Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
Image:chess_zver_22.png
Image:chess_zhor_22.png
23. ... Qg6
24. Bxd6 cxd6
25. Rxf8+ Rxf8
26. Bxc4 Nc5
27. Rxb6 Rf4


Specultive Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
23. ... Qg6
24. Rbc1 Rxf1+
25. Bxf1 Nf6
26. Bxd6 cxd6
27. Re1 Bxd5

Threatens an immediate Bxd5 to which white must respond.

  • (condensed from my analysis last move) 23. ... Qg6 24. Bxd6 cxd6 25. Rxf8+ Rxf8. He can win the c-pawn but 26. Bxc4 Nc5 and we're going get his e4 pawn and have a protected passer in the middle. After that 27. Rxb6 Rf4 28. Kg1 we initiate a trade-down with 28. ... Qxe4 29. Qxe4 Rxe4 after which I don't see any way for white to avoid losing. Jeff 10:30, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • This looks bloody but good. Are we sure this is the line Ze will take? PTWhipplebang 11:03, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • it doesn't matter if he takes this or antoher line, this move is solid. There's nothing Ze can do here that nets him a gain. He has a few choices that he can go with: Qb2, Bxd6, Bf3, Rb2, Rbc1 . . . but none of them really hold. This line is simply devistating to white. Kingpatzer 11:09, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I haven't been able to find a move for him that gains him any advantage after this move. This is an excellent move. Otis 11:10, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • Cool...cool. I like anything devastating. PTWhipplebang 11:14, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I personally think white's best defense here will look something like: 24. Rbc1 Rxf1+ 25. Bxf1 Nf6 26. Bxd6 cxd6 27. Re1 when black should seriously consider Bxd5!?
    • If 24. Rbc1 Bxd5 25. exd5 Qxc2 - and we trade queens. Otis 11:22, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Why would we play 24. .. Bxd5? that doesn't net us nearly the return that Rxf1+ does. Kingpatzer 11:34, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Yep, you're right. Otis 11:44, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
        • In fact, Rxf1+ is so devastating and so obvious that I wonder why white would choose 24. Rbc1 at all? I guess because he's hosed anyway :-) Jeff 11:43, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
          • Well, I think it looks bad sooner compared to Bxd6. However, I think white actually is better at the end of this than at the end of Bxd6. It's just the end of this line (where the forcing moves end) comes sooner. But in either case, white's in his death throws after Qg6! Kingpatzer 13:25, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • Please count this move as my vote when the polls open. Good night, everyone. Otis 11:46, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • How do we respond to 24. Rb5?
    • Maybe ignore it and still go for Rxf1+ ? PTWhipplebang 12:43, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
      • Followed by 25. Bxf1 Nxb5. 24. Rb5 is a bit of a blunder. Jeff 13:09, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
  • I have not seen any discussion of what think would be his most likely move, Bf3. While this gives up the his attack on the c4 pawn it shores up the his defense of g2 and e4 BitBender 13:41, 31 July 2006 (PDT)


Nc5


Suggested Position
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a8 b8 c8 d8 e8 f8 g8 h8
a7 b7 c7 d7 e7 f7 g7 h7
a6 b6 c6 d6 e6 f6 g6 h6
a5 b5 c5 d5 e5 f5 g5 h5
a4 b4 c4 d4 e4 f4 g4 h4
a3 b3 c3 d3 e3 f3 g3 h3
a2 b2 c2 d2 e2 f2 g2 h2
a1 b1 c1 d1 e1 f1 g1 h1
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Image:chess_zhor_22.png
Suggested Move: Nc5

Also releases knight, puts pressure on e4 salmancini

  • I wonder if he will follow with Bf3 Sal Smancini 11:21, 31 July 2006 (PDT)
    • 24. Bxc5 bxc5 25. Bf3 . . . somehow I don't see this as being that much in our favor. Kingpatzer 11:37, 31 July 2006 (PDT)