Talk:Fabuloso Friday 2/Fabuloso Chess/Move3

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Contents 1 Current Position 2 Strategy Discussion 3 Bb4 - Nimzo-Indian Defense (or perverse Nimzo-slavic hybrid) 3.1 Possible continuation: 4. Qa4+ 3.2 Possible continuation: 4. a2-a3 4 c6 - Semi-Slav Defense 5 c5 - Tarrasch Defense 6 Nf6 -- Orthodox variation

Our Current Position is the Queen's Gambit Declined. Our Pawn at d5 is still being threatened by the pawn at c4, but it is protected by pawn at e6. The knight also threatens d5, how do we respond? Here is a fun chess opening explorer.

Strategy Discussion

I would try the Nimzo-Indian defense. move the pawn from C7 to C6

Allow me to put this forward: We need to keep to simple lines and basic strategy/tactics until we get through the opening. If it turns into a complex game, then we can rise to the occasion and forment proper responses, however, I have a feeling that this one will end up very bloody (i.e. many pieces traded off), in which case we should fight for position and a winning endgame. Brigade 13:13, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

Both the c5 and c6 moves are purly deffensive leaving the initiative with white. I suggest we follow the Bb4 as it forces white to go on the defense and allows us time to develope more pieces. ~Mec

Bb4 - Nimzo-Indian Defense (or perverse Nimzo-slavic hybrid)

Ze is trying to force black to a defensive position, allowing himself the ability to setup his pieces in preperation for an attack on the center board. To disrupt his strategy, Bishop to B4 will pin his knight, forcing him to make a second move to free his knight or attack our bishop. (Seconded)

• This is my favorite response as well. Whether he attempts to harry the bishop with the pawn or the queen, we have a strong response. I vote for Bb4. --128.61.49.42 13:25, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
• i like Bb4, also. i'm still learning, but it feels like a strong move.Ann 13:53, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

• I second, Bb4 is a sound move. All others moves so far suggested will cause us to basically lose a turn while we hunker down into a defence game. I'm not saying we need to go berserker and take position at any cost, but we cannot allow Ze to gain a turn advantage and "lap" us.

• While this isn't necessarily a valid argument by itself, might I point out that no chess master has ever seen fit to follow "3. Nc3" with "Bb4". How do I make this claim? Well, primarily because I just searched the entire listing of known opening sequences. So, I will momentarily allow myself to think, since Ze isn't allowed to right now: this could be GOOD in that there isn't any script for Ze to refer to after "3. Nc3 Bb4", or it could be BAD because, since none of the really good players have ever seen fit to use it, something must inherently be wrong with the play. Furthermore, this isn't the Nimzo-Indian defense, its some sort of perverse Nimzo-slavic hybrid. (post note, further research has yielded one tournament game where this sequence appears, however, it's obviously very rare)

Possible continuation: 4. Qa4+

What about the probable response 4. Qa4+, I don't know this path... --Gelbi^talk 12:55, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

• This is the kind of move I would make, and as an amateur would get soundly trounced for it. Gelbi^talk is right on the money. Almost any scenario forces us to spend turns retreating the bishop to a more tenable position. However, I'm interested in hearing thoughts on 4. Qa4+ Nc6? Obvious response seems to be 5. a2-a3, back to square one. --Medwards 13:19, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
• 4. Qa4+ Nc6 .. covers the bishop, free development of our Knight, and his Queen Knight is still pinned. Bb4 is the proper line. Suckling teat, indeed .. Brigade 13:08, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
  • And in response I would say 4. ... a2-a3, what happens next Brigade? medwards^talk

Possible continuation: 4. a2-a3

He does not have to move Qa4+ to threaten the Bb4 move, he could simply move a2 to a3. We could still cover with Nc6, but then he could force us to use a knight and a bishop to hold down one of his knights, which doesn't sound like a great exchange to me. We could also respond with a7 to a5, but I'll admit I'm not sure where that would lead.

• Here's the line you're proposing: 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. a3 Bxc3 5. bxc3 and will end up destroying his Queenside pawns, and double his pawns on the C rank. If you can't visualize it, I'll throw up another board someplace for you to take a look. Trust us, Bb4 is the move. Brigade 13:19, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

c6 - Semi-Slav Defense

let him slay himself upon our pikes!

• This is a truly dreadful move that immediately saddles us with a bad bishop AND a knight that will end up on the rim (dim.) If I were white I'd never ever take the pawn at d5, instead I'd be thrilled to saddle you with two crippled pieces that should be just entering the fray.
  • I don't understand: Bishop on c8 was already fubared by e6, Bishop on f8 still has an open line. --Medwards 13:25, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
• This is Semi-Slav Defense, and I concur. In particular I'm worried about avoiding a 4. Qa4 (check) --Medwards 13:19, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

• I hope he tries Qa4 .. he'll be developing his queen too early, and we'll eat it for free. Watch and see. ^^ Brigade 13:21, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

c5 - Tarrasch Defense

c5 moves into the Tarrasch Defense instead of the typical Orthodox defense that derives from Bb4, where, in the end, all we get is an exchange of peices with White having the advantage in the center. Tarrasch defense gives Black a chance to hold the center.

• Discussion on Wikipedia regarding Tarrasch Defense notes that while we get increased mobility and hold the middle, we sacrifice support for the forward pawn.--Medwards 13:19, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
  • Support for the forward pawn is lost, true, but the Wikipedia discussion notes that it is a sound strategy that can stil be defended into a draw even if no long term offensive gain can be held from the move. However, if the exposed pawn is too concerning, Nf6, listed below, gives some of the Tarrasch advantages without isolating the pawn.
    • Yup, just making sure voters are aware of what the next couple of turns will look like.--Medwards 13:19, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

• i second this move! we save our N, too.

-ash.

Nf6 -- Orthodox variation

Nf6 gives us the option of keeping an orthodox exchange variation depending of Ze's next move, but also allows us to use the Semi-Tarrasch defense if Ze's move 4 is Nf3.

• i vote YES. Nf6 is a flexybile move allowing greatest variation W/O forcing us into a hypermodern sissy opening like the nimrod-injun. Nerfquark
• This is the line that is the most frequently played according to the above opening explorer and is refered to in wikipedia as the Orthodox variation, which was despised by Tarrasch, who prefered the variation with his own name. I would also prefer a variation with my name. --Gelbi^talk 14:05, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
• Vote. But if no one else likes this, I'll go for c5. --HelloMike 14:10, 27 June 2006 (PDT)