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Voting CLOSED: 30. Rxd1 31. Bxg6 Rxg1+ 32. Kxg1 hxg6 33. ANY Bxd5 34. ANY Bc6

Our proposal this time was that if Ze wants to continue along this line, we will commit to make these moves, so he can submit more than one move at a time. Our only caveat is that if he moves his knight to a position where it can be captured, we don't want to take the moves we've marked for 33. and 34. (or Ze could just go a move at a time, and pretend we just moved "Rxd1")

No on 35. ANY Bxa4 - 7 votes

Yes on 35. ANY Bxa4 - 4 Votes

No on 34. ANY Bc6 - 5 votes

Yes on 34. ANY Bc6 - 6 Votes

No on 33. ANY Bxd5 - 4 votes

Yes on 33. ANY Bxd5 - 7 Votes

No on move 30. Rxd1 31. Bxg6 Rxg1+ 32. Kxg1 hxg6 - 0 votes

Yes on 30. Rxd1 31. Bxg6 Rxg1+ 32. Kxg1 hxg6 - 11 Votes

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Strategy Discussion

Contents 1 Voting CLOSED: 30. Rxd1 31. Bxg6 Rxg1+ 32. Kxg1 hxg6 33. ANY Bxd5 34. ANY Bc6 1.1 Voting Instructions 2 Strategy Discussion 3 Suggested Move Summary 3.1 Rxd1 3.2 After move 33 3.3 30-32 proposal (30. Rxd1 31. Bxg6 Rxg1+ 32. Kxg1 hxg6 33. ANY Bxd5) 3.3.1 Yes 3.3.2 No

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Suggested Move Summary

Suggested Position Suggested Move: Rxd1

Advanced Position 30. Bxe4 Rxd1 31. Bxg6 Rxg1+ 32. Kxg1 hxg6 33. ANY Bxd5

Rxd1

Initiates the queen exchange. PTWhipplebang^SR! 12:22, 9 August 2006 (PDT) The next 3 moves are absolutely forced. Have a nice weekend! - Axl 12:31, 9 August 2006 (PDT)

• 30...Rxd1
• 31.Bxg6 Rxg1+
• 32.Kxg1 hxg6
• agreed. nothing to see here. just play the "only" moves. Kingpatzer 12:51, 9 August 2006 (PDT)
• Yep. We will never again move that rook in anger. :-) Snark 13:20, 9 August 2006 (PDT)
  • Oops, except when we take on Rg1. Duh. Snark 13:22, 9 August 2006 (PDT)
• Why wouldn't Ze do 31. Rxd1? That sacrifices his B to keep his R... Al
  • 'Cause then we have a queen and he doesn't? PTWhipplebang^SR! 13:27, 9 August 2006 (PDT)
    • I see the point, but I can't help wondering if there might be an out for him anyway... Al 13:38, 9 August 2006 (PDT)
      • There isn't, it's over. If you can show me a way he can win or draw with us actually playing (as opposed to us sleeping), I'll reconsider. arc
      • There aren't any other votes, but please add my vote when the time comes. arc

1. VOTE by Llogg 18:40, 9 August 2006 (PDT): I guess we still have to vote even if this is the only move under consideration.
2. VOTE by Snark 20:05, 9 August 2006 (PDT)
3. VOTE by Kingpatzer 20:47, 9 August 2006 (PDT) : not sure if this vote is needed or not

After move 33

The only place pawn I see him able to attack in the short term is the pawn on d6 (3 moves), and then only after we move our bishop off the long diagnal to capture a4. If we move our king first to protect that pawn, it looks like there's no quick way he can attack with his knight.

• His path to d6 would be Ne2, Ng3, Ne4 (only after our bishop moves) and finally Nxd6.
• His path to c4 looks like Ne2, Ng3, Nf1, Ne3, Nxc4.

Given this, I think it's more likely he'll advance his pawns on g and h or move his king to defend the a and c files than position his knight to attack.bobby_mac^{rap at me}

• He could also do Ne2, Ng3, h4 and attack our pawn on g3 in three moves.bobby_mac^{rap at me}

• It is perfectly safe for us to say 33. ANY Bxd5 34. ANY Bc6 35. any Bxa4. There is nothing Ze can do to stop us from taking those two pawns, and nothing he can do in 3 moves that would require us to respond differently than those moves. They may not be entirely optimal, but they'll win easily enough. Just toss in the caveat that if he puts his knight en prise to our pawn or bishop we will take/exchange, otherwise Bxd5-Bc6-Bxa4.Kingpatzer 14:32, 9 August 2006 (PDT)
  • What if Ze's knight is on g3 after 35. ... Bxa4? V 20:44, 9 August 2006 (PDT)

30-32 proposal (30. Rxd1 31. Bxg6 Rxg1+ 32. Kxg1 hxg6 33. ANY Bxd5)

• In the interests of moving the game forward, I can see NO valid options for Ze after 30. Rxd1 besides 31. Bxg6 Rxg1+ 32. Kxg1 hxg6. 33. ANY Bxd5 I am making a proposal that along with our move we also submit this track to Ze. If he has any other ideas besides Bxg6 and Kxg1 then we can continue as normal, but otherwise this should keep us from deliberating for three more days than really ought to be necessary. If ze agrees to the proposal than he could just start with 33. arc
  • To be clear, if we wanted to follow through with the proposal we'd be voting for Rxg1+ and Kxg1 as well as Rxd1. I realize this is sort of "cheating" by moving things ahead, but I can't see anyone complaining. If there is dissent then we can reconsider instead of holding a strict vote, as we are bending the rules. arc
  • I don't know. If Ze agrees to it then it should be ok. I'm sure that he knows that the next few moves are forced, but maybe we should give him those days to think about what he is going to do afterward. Jes ter23 13:10, 9 August 2006 (PDT)
    • He can always say no. Lets leave what Ze thinks of this to Ze. If he disagrees with this he can just say no and our move is solely 30. Rxd1, no harm, no foul. arc
      • And (in case anyone is worried) if Ze does say no, we haven't given anything away. If he wants to make a different move, then our moves will have to be different too. It's already clear that we're trying to trade queens. PTWhipplebang^SR! 13:15, 9 August 2006 (PDT)

Yes

No